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El Mexican wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

El Mexican wrote:3) Our QB is basically playing his last season with the team.

Not true. Bruce Allen came out and said paying Kirk Cousins on a third consecutive franchise tag was in play.

The man can say anything he wants. Right now, he isn't exactly on my good side.

I would be incredibly surprised if KC gets tagged for a third consecutive time. It would be the first time ever that that happens.

We'll probably see him play a solid season, not spectacular, and part ways. Who knows.

Unless Cousins takes this team deep into the playoffs I don't see paying him $35 million on a 3rd consecutive tag being in play. But remember we're dealing with a couple of idiots running this franchise (again).

Anything is possible.

HEROHAMO wrote:

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I find that people's reactions to the ongoing implosion of our FO has taken on a different form than the 5 stages of grief --- mainly because this is a bit different than the typical situation. As a fan for the past 20 years, Danny boy typically destroys the team every 2 years of so; and when he does the stages of grief which commonly occur to the typical fan are:
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Delusion via rationalization
4. Depression
5. Realization/Acceptance

In this current situation/beginning of the next 2 year cycle ---- We have already been thru the "denial" phase -- which was proven wrong when they fired Scot. Now, the dust has settled on the "anger" phase and now posters have entered into the "delusion via rationalization" stage --- whereby fans are now attempting to delude themselves into believing that whatever Danny boy did (here, the Scot firing and overall direction of the FO) isn't "as bad as it seems" via rationalization or any means that would satisfy their jaded mind....... These "rationalizations" rarely are supported by quantifiable facts or common logic nor do they ever end up being correct (for example, statements made by posters that the DL from OAK (who got a contract of the same value as Baker) is "an upgrade" to Baker --- when Baker has been historically better in every defensive category, has the same experience, and same age). Well, the rationalizations haven't been accurate in the past 8-10 Danny boy destruction cycles; which have occurred over the past 20 years. It is similar to the bargaining phase, except fans bargain not with others, but with themselves or their own opinions in an effort to feel better and not look at the true reality standing in front of them.

Meanwhile, in real-person-land, everything going on is par of the course with Danny boy and IDENTICAL to what we have seen over the past 20 years. If anyone really thinks this will end differently and we'll be able to put together a non-dysfunctional FO with solid management in place ---- they're f#$&ing bat-sh!t crazy.

What Danny boy has been so incredibly good at --- at I am 100% being truthful here --- is that he doesn't let fans get to the 5th step: Acceptance. When people are on the 4th (which occurs typically after or in the final games of a 4-12 season), he makes some move that either ends or merely postpones the next cycle --- which is why we have so many cycles and so frequently. I expect Dumb & Dumber 2.0 to do something unique/make a change by the beginning of this season or the end of next --- just before fans get to the 5th step.

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Haha that's experience talking. If this team makes the playoffs you know darn well you will be watching.
Teams ran for 1900 yards with Baker in the lineup.

How do you get any positive remarks on his play? He was a DT. A DTs main job is to stop the run.
He had his opportunity time for another to get a chance.

This one is on me. I have said this before, but don't expect people to remember this, so I should have put emphasis on this within my initial post ---- but I am NOT a fan of Baker. I don't think he is bad per se, but I don't think of him as being anything other than average. I would have liked to keep him at the 3M range, but anything more would be too much. HOWEVER, he appears to be a better player when compared against the former OAK DT we just signed to a 5 year - 25M deal. I was merely comparing the two (and not understanding why our FO would pay the same amount, or MORE, for a lesser player --- mainly because he comes from a different team.... something this FO has historically done to their detriment).

One clarification --- last year Baker played as mainly a NT (contrary to what most depth charts said) or a DE (which is arguably a DT in the 3-4). Baker's true position is a 4-3 DT --- which is perhaps one of the reasons he left to TB (and why he helped recruit McKnighton as a NT back in 2015). When I think "DT", I think most people think 4-3 DT since there is no "DT" in the 3-4.

With respect to the run, I fully understand what you are saying, but in the 3-4, it's a team effort. When Baker played the NT (which was most common) -- the NT isn't nearly as responsible for the run game as the ILBs and/or DEs, IMHO. NTs are supposed to clog the lane and use their arms to pull in doubles, all while trying to penetrate the line and move it back. It's a difficult job and one of the reasons real, top shelf NTs are as difficult to find as franchise QBs. As a result of the 3-4, the reason for 2 ILBs is that they basically become DTs in a run situations ---- and why ILBs accumulate so many tackles while the NT doesn't. And DEs within the 3-4 are typically going thru the B gap --- which is, in essence, a run stopping position. And the DEs production depends on the side of the field the balls goes to. So, it isn't all on Baker in any respect but, could he have been more productive --- absolutely. I think our run issues were more representative of the lack of overall talent on the DEF side (NT, DE, ILB) more than one or two players.

Side note, I would have resigned Jean Fracois (and was upset they released him) -- and considering a QUALITY FO (Green Bay) signed him within days of his release, I believe I was correct. He was productive in his time here. He was given the short end of the stick many times for no reason whatsoever. While he's not a high end starter, he is a good depth piece. Oh well. Another FO miss --- one of MANY this offseason.

If we make the playoffs there is a 100% chance I will watch ---- because I watch every single NFL playoff game every year. NFL football is literally the only sport I consistently follow. I honestly don't have enough time to follow more than 1 sport.

I'm CERTAINLY not buying into this - Dan Snyder has clearly shown that he's a terrible owner

getting over that hump is going to take some doing - this franchise is an embarrassment

Snyder has not earned the benefit of doubt.

However some positives. Kirk as we speak is working out with Pryor, Doctson, Crowder and all the receivers.
With Jon Gruden!
Kirk is showing real leadership.

HEROHAMO wrote:Snyder has not earned the benefit of doubt.

I agree, and you don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt. You DO need to look at the situation and judge for yourself with some common sense.

Seriously, the machiavellian nonsense people are coming up with to explain this story is ridiculous. We're apparently talking about Petyr Littlefinger Baelish not Bruce Allen.

(I don't mean YOU specifically btw. I just mean people in general.)

Unless Cousins takes this team deep into the playoffs I don't see paying him $35 million on a 3rd consecutive tag being in play. But remember we're dealing with a couple of idiots running this franchise (again).

Anything is possible.

I agree. KC knows it's in his best interest to deliver the goods. He is a professional, no doubt. Working out with receivers, studying film, etc.

All good for his future career, which right now seems removed from DC after the 2017 season. The ship has sailed in that regard.

riggofan wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Snyder has not earned the benefit of doubt.

I agree, and you don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt. You DO need to look at the situation and judge for yourself with some common sense.

Seriously, the machiavellian nonsense people are coming up with to explain this story is ridiculous. We're apparently talking about Petyr Littlefinger Baelish not Bruce Allen.

(I don't mean YOU specifically btw. I just mean people in general.)

I agree. Trying to figure out the exact details of what happened with Scott is hard without being there to see it for myself. We do have 20 years of experience with Snyder as owner so we will have speculation and maybe some may hit on truth on the situation. I can't be certain of what that truth is. All I know is that Scott was let go. Kirk was tagged. We let go Garcon,Jackson,Baker and Francois. Signed two Dts and Swearinger.

When it comes to Snyder. It's not like he doesn't try.
He has progressed. Slowly but he has.

If my memory serves me correctly.
It started with the firing of Cassely and Pettibone.
Norv Turner was hired along with Cerratto.Made it to playoffs once I believe with Brad Johnson as qb.
Then Schottenheimer was hired fired after one season.
Next up was Spurrier total bomb. Things were at its worst.
Team went below. 500.
Then Gibbs 2.0. Had some good and bad. Playoffs twice in 4 years I believe. Traded Champ for Portis. Let Lavar go. Some competitive years. Trade worked out imho.

Then I think Zorn. Another bomb. Swinging gate fiasco.

Shanahan was hired. Cerrato fired. Allen hired.First year bad. Drafted Bob,Alf and Kirk. Made playoffs once. Bob gets hurt. Play declines. Team goes south again the next year. Shanny fired.

In between all this free agents were overpaid and vets past there prime were signed. Bruce Smith, Adam Archuleta, Albert Haynesworth, Jason Taylor, Deion Sanders just from memory.

Good players who we drafted and let go. Ryan Clark, Lavar Arrington, Antonio Pierce, Carlos Rogers and now Kareem Robinson who's playing well for cheap on the Giants at a badly weak position for Lb. Perry Riley who's ok is on the Raiders.

Next up Gruden hired. Team continues to struggle. Team goes below .500 with both Bob and Kirk.
Offseason Scott was hired Bob was sent to the bench. Kirk plays well playoffs.
This year team just missed playoffs.
Off season Scott fired.

So I think it's 6 times in 20 years playoffs.

The worst times was with Snyder and Cerratto.
Notice most of the bad years were with Vinny.
Also it took along time to finally get rid of Vinny for good.

People can hate Allen. But Allen has been associated with two playoff teams in shorter time. Allen was part of Shanahan and hiring Scott. Allen is far from Vinny Cerratto.

I have to think that Bruce knows his father's legacy and is trying to do his best. It's been 50/50. I don't think people are giving Bruce a fair shake. Let's see if Bruce hires another GM. Let's see if Bruce drafts well this off season.

Patience is low. Starving for a SuperBowl. But I think progress has been made.

Snyder and Allen is not far cry from Snyder and Cerratto. I don't recall ever overpaying an aging vet during Allens time.

Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, numerous bum Qbs drafted by Cerratto. Haynesworth, Bruce Smith, Deion, J. Taylor etc..

Under Allen Bob and Kirk were drafted. Might of been Shanny but Allen was here. Not saying Allen is Beathard.
But maybe just maybe Bruce is having a good influence after all. Bruce certainly was smart enough to hire Scott before he was fired.

This off season we signed two solid additions in Swearinger and Pryor. Something Cerratto would never have done.
We also don't know whether other free agents wanted to play here.

Right now Kirk and recievers are working out together.
I don't ever recall a time when past qbs did such a thing.

I don't remember Brunell,Ramsey or Campbell throwing passes in the off season.