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DEHog wrote:Well this thread is about the class of 2017. While Jerry still has a chance the Hall is going to select only 5 from this group…
Kevin Mawae
LaDainian Tomlinson
Morten Andersen
Brian Dawkins
Jason Taylor
Issac Bruce
Tony Boselli
Ty Law
Alan Faneca
Terrell Owens
Don Coryell
Joe Jacoby
Terrell Davis
John Lynch
Kurt Warner
I’m going to stick with my picks of Jacoby, Warner, Davis, Lynch and Coryell

From this group Easley is in, the voters can select one or both of the contributors, with them both in their mid-70’s I could see the voters voting them both in?? But I though the commish would get in last year over Debartolo…so I’m going to say he’ll get in.
Kenny Easley (Senior)
Jerry Jones (Contributor)
Paul Tagliabue (Contributor)

I'm gonna have to google Kenny Easley to wee what his credentials are. After looking at his career. I agree that he deserves to be in. My reason was to make sure that you are referring to Seattle Seahawks during the 1980's . If that is who your referring about. he should have already been in.
I don't agree that Jerrah Jones deserves to be in yet. I won't comment my favorite insult about him. Unless his reason is for what my favorite Jerrah insult is.

Yes it's the player...He got the senior vote this year.
I don't give a rip about anybody but Jake...it's long overdue and he's more than deserving!!

DEHog wrote:Yes it's the player...He got the senior vote this year.
I don't give a rip about anybody but Jake...it's long overdue and he's more than deserving!!

I agree that he is the most deserving of this potential class.
But, we do agree that the most undeserving to be in the HOF in the 2021 class would be Norv Turner. If he was voted in at that time.

flamethrower wrote:

DEHog wrote:Yes it's the player...He got the senior vote this year.
I don't give a rip about anybody but Jake...it's long overdue and he's more than deserving!!

I agree that he is the most deserving of this potential class.
But, we do agree that the most undeserving to be in the HOF in the 2021 class would be Norv Turner. If he was voted in at that time.

He'd be the most undeserving in any class, much less on the first ballot.

Your assuming he's done with football? I don't think he is!! and even if by some slight outside
chance he officially called it quits? Norv's name wouldn't appear in 2021, Not even as a special
consideration given there are to many ahead of him that the Hall would need to induct before
they even got to him

flamethrower wrote:

DEHog wrote:Yes it's the player...He got the senior vote this year.
I don't give a rip about anybody but Jake...it's long overdue and he's more than deserving!!

I agree that he is the most deserving of this potential class.
But, we do agree that the most undeserving to be in the HOF in the 2021 class would be Norv Turner. If he was voted in at that time.

stay on topic....you know who will come running in...too late

TexasCowboy wrote:Your assuming he's done with football? I don't think he is!! and even if by some slight outside
chance he officially called it quits? Norv's name wouldn't appear in 2021, Not even as a special
consideration given there are to many ahead of him that the Hall would need to induct before
they even got to him

Off topic but dude can you get even a remote clue as to how things work. If he was as good as you say he is (i.e. HOF worthy) his name would absolutely appear. Now he may not make it past the first cut?? Of course he could get one of those special "LeBeau" considerations!!

Unlikely to ever even get nominated except perhaps by some idiot fan.

DEHog wrote:Off topic but dude can you get even a remote clue as to how things work. If he was as good as you say he is (i.e. HOF worthy) his name would absolutely appear. Now he may not make it past the first cut?? Of course he could get one of those special "LeBeau" considerations!!

Once again assuming he is finished with coaching/coordinating in the NFL? T.B.C. meanwhile
assuming that this was his last go around..His name wouldn't appear in 5 years, despite the
fact he is a barer of 2 rings from his days in Dallas

* The Hall has to many names ahead of him!!! Jimmy Johnson, Drew Pearson, (long overdue)
yes even Jerruh (assuming he doesn't make it) will need to get in before Norv sniffs his chance
at his day in the sun

this is why I put the time table at 20 years

*which will be way to long but hey better late than never

DarthMonk wrote:Unlikely to ever even get nominated except perhaps by some idiot fan.

Seeing as how Some idiot thinks that Norv will get in. How about I list every Head Coach with minimum 50 games coached. But, to show how pitiful this argument for Turner is. I will only list the ones who have losing records. I will start with the best winning percentage, and work my way down to the worst.
You won't see Tom Landry listed because he has a winning record, and already is in the Hall of Fame. Also if the Coach was a Hall of famer as a player. I will mention that.
Wayne Fontes 1988-1996 Detroit Lions 66 wins 67 losses .496 winning percentage. He also took the Lions to a single NFC Championship game.
Lou Sabin 60-61 Boston Patriots, 62-65 Bills, 67-71 Broncos, 72-76 Bills .490 winning percentage 95 wins and 99 losses
Dave Wannstedt 93-98 Bears, 2000-04 Dolphins .485 winning percentage 82 wins 87 losses
Norv Turner .483 winning percentage 114 regular season wins 122 regular season losses 1 tie. I posted his entire record in this thread, or the other one about him
Joe Walton .482 winning percentage 83-89 Jets 53 wins 57 losses 1 tie
Rex Ryan .480 winning percentage 09-14 Jets, 15-16 Bills 61 wins 66 losses
Ted Marchibroda .470 winning percentage 87 wins 98 losses 1 tie 75-79 colts, 92-95 colts, 96-98 Ravens
Forrest Gregg Packers Hall of Famer O-lineman 75-77 Browns, 80-83 Bengals, 84-87 Packers .469 winning Percentage 75 wins 81 losses 1 tie
Gregg took the Bengals to their first Super Bowl. Bengals lost to the 49ers
Jerry Glanville .465 winning percentage 85-89 Oilers, 90-93 Falcons 60 wins and 69 losses
Dick Nolan .450 winning percentage 68-75 49ers, 78-80 Saints 69 wins 82 losses
George Wilson .447 winning percentage 57-64 Lions 66-69 Dolphins 68 wins 84 losses
Sam Wyche .440 winning percentage 84-91 Bengals, 92-95 Buccaneers 84 wins 107 losses. Took the Bengals to their last Super Bowl. Bengals lost it to 49ers.
Was on the 49ers staff that won Super Bowl 16. Does that make him a 1st ballot Hall of famer
Monte Clark .432 Winning percentage 1976 49ers, 78-84 Lions 51 wins 67 losses 1 tie
Dick Jaron .423 winning percentage 99-03 Bears, 05 Lions, 06-09 Bills 60 wins 82 losses only 5 games as Lions HC
Herman Edwards .422 winning percentage 01-05 Jets 06-08 Chiefs 54 wins and 74 losses
Leeman Bennett .420 winning percentage 77-82 Falcons, 85-86 Buccaneers 50 wins 69 losses
Joe Kuharich .419 winning percentage 52 Cards, 54-58 Skins, 64-68 Eagles 58 wins 81 losses and 3 ties
Bart Starr .408 Winning percentage 77-83 Packers 52 wins 76 losses Packers Hall of famer Quarterback. Led Packers to 5 NFL Championships. 3 peat, and 1st 2 Super Bowls.
Norm Van Brocklin .402 winning percentage 61-66 Vikings 68-74 Falcons 66 wins 100 losses He was Hall of famer as quarterback. Only quarterback to beat Lombardi's Packers in a championship game.
Would you induct any of these coaches based on their winning percentage, or wins vs losses? Not what they did as players, or what they did as co-ordinators.

Funny how the only 2 on there that actually won an actual ring are

* Norv Turner

* Dave Wannstedt

the rest are horsehoe & hand grenade crap slinging candidates who
certain people think? are more deserving because stats "trump" titles

The bears won a Super Bowl Under Wannstedt? Really I could have sworn that the one they won was under Ditka. Let me look up his record, and see if He was the Head coach of a Super Bowl winning team. I could have sworn that the Super Bowl they won was Super Bowl 20.
Super Bowl 29 Nope Chicago didn't win that one
Super Bowl 30 Nope Chicago didn't win that one
Super Bowl 31 Nope Chicago didn't win that one
Super Bowl 32 Nope Chicago didn't win that one
Super Bowl 33 Nope Chicago didn't win that one
Super Bowl 34 Nope Chicago didn't win that one
Super Bowl 37 Nope Miami didn't win that one
Super Bowl 38 Nope Miami didn't win that one
Super Bowl 39 Nope Miami didn't win that one
Super Bowl 40 Nope Miami didn't win that one
Super Bowl 41 Nope Miami didn't win that one.
Wannstedt won nothing as a head coach. Not 1 single Super Bowl as Head Coach. Those 2 you keep bringing up Belong to Johnson.
I already covered Turner's record. Neither of them have won a single solitary Super Bowl as Head Coach. You can't count them for Wannstedt, or Turner. Because they were Not the head man in Jerrah's orginization. Those 2 were Johnson's. Keep denying it all you want. Notice that none of the numbers I listed previously mentioned covered time as co-ordinators. Show me 1 co-ordinator who went into the hall of fame as a co-ordinator. Labeau went in as a player. He is still coaching.
Wannstedt only had 1 playoff season as Bears Head Coach. Losing the divisional round to the 49ers. He had 3 post season games as Dolphins Head Coach. winning only 1. Never making a conference championship game. How can you win a Super Bowl if you don't make a Conference Championship game?
Those 2 rings you keep bragging about belong to Johnson. Turner, and Wannstedt have 0 as Head Coach. 0 as Head Coach.

TexasCowboy wrote:

DEHog wrote:Off topic but dude can you get even a remote clue as to how things work. If he was as good as you say he is (i.e. HOF worthy) his name would absolutely appear. Now he may not make it past the first cut?? Of course he could get one of those special "LeBeau" considerations!!

Once again assuming he is finished with coaching/coordinating in the NFL? T.B.C. meanwhile
assuming that this was his last go around..His name wouldn't appear in 5 years, despite the
fact he is a barer of 2 rings from his days in Dallas

* The Hall has to many names ahead of him!!! Jimmy Johnson, Drew Pearson, (long overdue)
yes even Jerruh (assuming he doesn't make it) will need to get in before Norv sniffs his chance
at his day in the sun

this is why I put the time table at 20 years

*which will be way to long but hey better late than never

Can you at least ask somebody with a clue before you post! The Hall doesn't work that way, there is not a magical line ( of Cowboys since that seems to be all you think deserve to get it) that you have to wait in. If like say, oh I don't know, MARV LEVY you're a good coach you don't have to wait,you can be voted in, in your first year of eligibility.

And please just stop with the whole 20 year thing for Turner, I already disproved that one. You've already admitted that Jimmy goes in before Turner...It's been 18 for Jimmy and he's not a finalist this year so it's a safe bet he"s going to bust 20 years to get in. How would Turner take less time than Jimmy to get in???

Nope Ditka/Ryan I said the only 2 on there that won it as you listed were???

*Turner, Wannstedt...

The Super Bowl trophy is named after the Head Coach who's team won the first 2. If it was named after the Head Coach, and Both Defensive, and Offensive Co-ordinators. It would be named the Lombardi/ Bengston trophy. Because Lombardi was both Head Coach, and Offensive Co-ordinator. But, because it ain't named that. It is named after the Head Coach. Only the Head Coach gets credit for the wins, and losses in a Super Bowl.
Turner, and Wannstedt can not claim those 2 titles. Because neither were head coach.

TexasCowboy wrote:Funny how the only 2 on there that actually won an actual ring are

* Norv Turner

* Dave Wannstedt

the rest are horsehoe & hand grenade crap slinging candidates who
certain people think? are more deserving because stats "trump" titles

Wrong again there are a few more rings on that list....he're a hint there are 31 other teams in the NFL!!

DEHog wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:Funny how the only 2 on there that actually won an actual ring are

* Norv Turner

* Dave Wannstedt

the rest are horsehoe & hand grenade crap slinging candidates who
certain people think? are more deserving because stats "trump" titles

Wrong again there are a few more rings on that list....he're a hint there are 31 other teams in the NFL!!

Not only that, but it was a list of losers, who also won't be sniffing the HOF, unless they buy a ticket like anyone else.

Deadskins wrote:

DEHog wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:Funny how the only 2 on there that actually won an actual ring are

* Norv Turner

* Dave Wannstedt

the rest are horsehoe & hand grenade crap slinging candidates who
certain people think? are more deserving because stats "trump" titles

Wrong again there are a few more rings on that list....he're a hint there are 31 other teams in the NFL!!

Not only that, but it was a list of losers, who also won't be sniffing the HOF, unless they buy a ticket like anyone else.

That was my point. Showing how much a loser Turner actually was as a Head Coach. Actually since 1994. Turner ain't done squat.

Rehashed argument alert

F.Y.I.

the fact he hasn't done anything since his days in Dallas is already
established

No dead horse beating please

yet there is still the matter of 2 rings he achieved via his days in
Dallas, there is also the matter of? he never needed to prove him
self even though he wasn't planning on just? not taking the teams
he coached beyond the playoffs

Ironically

the question has to be asked, What would a "Texan's fan" know on the subject
of validity/winning of a title? Not a damn thing...piggy backing off other teams
isn't watching YOUR team win it all! so it doesn't count, stats? silver linings to
make the nightmare go away

Don't think so...

at the end of the day, you're either a champ or a chump!! no splitting hairs
don't care what the stats say, titles trump all else, Nobody plays for 2nd
place well except YOU

So please stop acting like you know this subject you are just
making yourself look badly in front of the others

TexasCowboy wrote:Rehashed argument alert

F.Y.I.

the fact he hasn't done anything since his days in Dallas is already
established

No dead horse beating please

yet there is still the matter of 2 rings he achieved via his days in
Dallas, there is also the matter of? he never needed to prove him
self even though he wasn't planning on just? not taking the teams
he coached beyond the playoffs

Ironically

the question has to be asked, What would a "Texan's fan" know on the subject
of validity/winning of a title? Not a damn thing...piggy backing off other teams
isn't watching YOUR team win it all! so it doesn't count, stats? silver linings to
make the nightmare go away

Don't think so...

at the end of the day, you're either a champ or a chump!! no splitting hairs
don't care what the stats say, titles trump all else, Nobody plays for 2nd
place well except YOU

So please stop acting like you know this subject you are just
making yourself look badly in front of the others

You talking about Norv?

If so, wrong thread.

No was talking to Flame

TexasCowboy wrote:No was talking to Flame

What do you know about winning rings...remember you said fans have no say in any of this!
Also do you advocate for all OC/DC who have won two or more rings or is that just reserved for a OC who was one of the biggest loser as a HC in NFL history?

Pardon the interruption but what does any of this have to do with the PFHOF Class Of 2017?

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Pardon the interruption but what does any of this have to do with the PFHOF Class Of 2017?

Dicusssing that Norv will not be a part of the PFHOF Class of 2017?

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Pardon the interruption but what does any of this have to do with the PFHOF Class Of 2017?

Pretty much everything!! the class of the future? criteria for induction. ect