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Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:55 pm
by PulpExposure
DarthMonk wrote:
OldSchool wrote:I hope the Redskins don't draft guys with character and behavior issues especially involving women. One few things the Redskins have done well during the Snyder years is keep a clean roster and I hope SM avoids taking guys with checkered records. You can't expect to build an entire roster of choirboys like Cousins but every guy on the team should come with a record of be a solid citizen in college.


Scot McCloughan: Character mattered when picking players

John Keim
ESPN Staff Writer

ASHBURN, Va. -- Washington Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan placed an emphasis on where players came from -- as well as what they did off the field. It formed the foundation of his first draft class with Washington.

He wanted players who were not only good, but also clean off the field. Of the 10 players the Redskins drafted, off-field concerns were not part of their scouting reports.

"The character off the field plays into going from good to great to special," McCloughan said. "Talent’s very, very important. But also the whole package to me is important. That’s what’s going to get the guys to their second contract. That’s what’s going to make us win games in January and February."

They bypassed Nebraska linebacker Randy Gregory. He tested positive for marijuana at the combine and reportedly many teams had other off-field concerns about him. Even though Gregory’s skills would have made him a second-round steal, a source said the Redskins entered the day knowing they would not select him.

"We definitely had many, many discussions about him -- many discussions -- because he is a talented player," McCloughan said. "I don't want to get into the background on him. A lot of it's become public, but that's his stuff. ... Each time we picked, we had a player on the board that fit being a Redskin."

One reason the Redskins drafted Brandon Scherff No. 5 overall was because of that emphasis on character. It mattered, too, that they viewed him as one of the top players on their board, so it wasn’t a reach.

They had considered trading the selection, but McCloughan said the one player teams wanted to trade up for was linebacker Dante Fowler Jr. Once he was gone, the calls from other teams to move up ended.

So they chose Scherff.

"I wanted my first pick to be here, no matter what, somebody that’s not just an impressive player," McCloughan said, "but an impressive person and somebody you can build around. Not only does he come in as a good football player, guys around him will be better because of the way he approaches the game."


I'd be careful with that kind of thought, because it's not consistent with some of his free agency signings like Chris Culliver and Junior Galette.

Or maybe off-field considerations only matter to SM for draft picks....

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:47 am
by SKIN4LIFE
I hope we can get this guy (Keanu Neal). These are the types of reviews I love to read. Great character, great play, and an attitude on the field. Florida's defense completely carried them this year. Their O was terrible. If we can get him in the 2nd round I would be very happy. Not that SM cares, but my thoughts. I haven't heard his name mentioned in the top 2 safeties so maybe we can get him in the second.

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:39 pm
by riggofan
Thanks PulpExposure. I was going to ask you to refresh my memory on what Galette and Culiver had done before I realized you'd provided links.

It will be interesting to see if that applies to the draft at all or not. I've seen Robert Nkemdiche as a possible draft target for us. Does smoking synthetic marijuana and falling from a window preclude a guy from being drafted?

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:27 pm
by PulpExposure
riggofan wrote:I've seen Robert Nkemdiche as a possible draft target for us. Does smoking synthetic marijuana and falling from a window preclude a guy from being drafted?


I'd hope it does not, actually. I mean you have to weigh in the chance that they're a habitual user (thus affecting availability and eventually getting banned from the NFL). But if that's not a worry, it's a victimless crime in the end.

Beating a woman with a belt, or ramming a bicycle with your car and then threatening a kid with brass knuckles, is imho far worse. But as they say, opinions...

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:11 pm
by riggofan
PulpExposure wrote:
riggofan wrote:I've seen Robert Nkemdiche as a possible draft target for us. Does smoking synthetic marijuana and falling from a window preclude a guy from being drafted?


I'd hope it does not, actually. I mean you have to weigh in the chance that they're a habitual user (thus affecting availability and eventually getting banned from the NFL). But if that's not a worry, it's a victimless crime in the end.

Beating a woman with a belt, or ramming a bicycle with your car and then threatening a kid with brass knuckles, is imho far worse. But as they say, opinions...


True. Maybe its a factor if you're weighing two guys you like 50/50.

Like I wrote earlier, I honestly believe its a little harsh to judge guys too harshly about doing stupid things when you were 20. I don't know about you guys but I look back sometimes and am frankly amazed that I am still alive. And I wasn't living the life of college football star either. Aside from things like rape or spousal abuse, I'd hope the team is looking to find out if this is a perpetually bad guy or this is a kid who did something dumb.

You do occasionally get rewarded for sticking with people who make mistakes and learn their lessons. Wasn't that long ago when Trent Williams was suspended for weed. I don't think people look at Trent as a low character because of that.

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:23 pm
by Countertrey
riggofan wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
riggofan wrote: I don't know about you guys but I look back sometimes and am frankly amazed that I am still alive.

Seriously? In the old days, challenging Charles Darwin was a rite of passage. I mean, does experimenting with home made explosives (repeatedly) count? 8-[

It's why I say surviving adolescence is more luck than skill...

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:21 am
by riggofan
Countertrey wrote:Seriously? In the old days, challenging Charles Darwin was a rite of passage. I mean, does experimenting with home made explosives (repeatedly) count? 8-[

It's why I say surviving adolescence is more luck than skill...


See what I'm saying? Yeah its dumb that you fell out of a window after you tried smoking a bit. But at least you didn't blow up the garage like Countertrey.

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:08 am
by SkinsJock
I'm sure that Scot and this FO will not rule out anyone who it could be said "was just being a young adult" in today's society - that being said, these guys will not be taking risks or making a huge investment in a player that they feel will not be totally invested in helping this franchise

some tend to make too much of what some of these players have done - most of the FO, scouts & talent evaluators are going to look into these guy's characters a whole lot more than the media & some fans give them credit for - If Scot & this FO bring in a player with a 'questionable past' it's because they feel that is not going to affect what he offers to this franchise - they may make mistakes but I guarantee they will immediately release any player that comes in here with "questions" or "issues" and does not clearly show the desire and commitment they want

those days are over here

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:35 pm
by riggofan
Great interview with Scot here:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2629 ... ful-nfl-gm
Scot McCloughan Q&A: The Philosophy and Tools of a Successful NFL GM

You'll like that one, SkinsJock.

Couple key quotes I liked:

"Everybody said Brandon Scherff was taken too high. He’s a guard now, and he’s the fifth pick in the draft. I said, "Are you kidding me?" He played every snap in the season but one. The only reason he missed one is because his shoe fell off, and to this day, he yells at me about it. That’s the only snap he missed all year. He would have played the whole season, every snap. He’s not the most flashy guy, he’s not the prettiest guy, but he’s a football player, and that’s what I’m talking about"

"I told Kirk when he came in—and his wife must have hugged me for 10 minutes because he just went from making $600,000 to $19.9 million—I told him, "You take care of me and this organization, we’re going to take care of you. I promise. And we’re going to build this roster to where you can be average and still be good. I promise you.""

"SM: You wait and see who we take at 21 in the draft this year. He’s a red.

B/R: You already know who it’s going to be.

SM: (smiling) Yeah, I think. Hopefully he’s not gone. But I’m adding the same kind of guy. Toughness, smarts, competitiveness, team. The whole thing."

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:00 pm
by SkinsJock
thanks for that - I did enjoy the read ...

it's not brain surgery and it's really not complicated you surround yourself with guys that know what you're looking for and just spend the hours that it takes to thoroughly go over all the stuff you're looking for in a player

and

you don't worry about what position he plays OR what the franchise needs - you will always be better off

you cannot have too many good football players - it's amazing how 'great' they become when they're in the right environment

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:09 pm
by DarthMonk
I think the character Scot is most interested in has to do with being dedicated to the craft.

A high character guy is a guy who works his ass off to be a great football player. Dexter was a high character guy in this regard.

If there were other off-the-field issues that would preclude one being able to dedicate oneself to excellence ... well then ...

If those issues did not get in the way ...

So if a guy smokes dope in season on a Monday and is late for team meetings on Tuesday that's one thing whereas a guy smoking dope on a Saturday night a few times in March between pro-bowl seasons is quite another.

I'd love to get a personal interview in order to clarify.

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:32 pm
by SkinsJock
here's a piece from ESPN ... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... lic-scores

all of this stuff is just a part of the process for Scot and his group .. like the piece notes, it's just a piece of the puzzle

these guys are basically starting from scratch with this roster and they will be less likely to take risks ...

I love how well Scherff turned out - it would be neat to find another top level guy at #21 - my inclination is Scot will trade this pick to add more good players to the mix - it doesn't matter if the first guy drafted is in the 3rd round - getting a bunch more players is great

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:18 pm
by riggofan
DarthMonk wrote:I think the character Scot is most interested in has to do with being dedicated to the craft.


Yeah I agree. I thought his comments on Junior Gallette and Frank Gore were revealing. Talks a lot about looking for these guys who are really passionate about football. Guys who NEED to be out there.

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:35 pm
by SKINS#1
[quote="riggofan"]Great interview with Scot here:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2629 ... ful-nfl-gm
Scot McCloughan Q&A: The Philosophy and Tools of a Successful NFL GM

I like his focus, wants to draft the Reds in later rds. that have potential to become Blues. This shows he values all draft choices and players learn if they work their butts off, they will not be discounted.

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:32 am
by DEHog
riggofan wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Seriously? In the old days, challenging Charles Darwin was a rite of passage. I mean, does experimenting with home made explosives (repeatedly) count? 8-[

It's why I say surviving adolescence is more luck than skill...


See what I'm saying? Yeah its dumb that you fell out of a window after you tried smoking a bit. But at least you didn't blow up the garage like Countertrey.

Can you imagine if social media was around when we were young :shock:

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:57 am
by riggofan
DEHog wrote:Can you imagine if social media was around when we were young :shock:


One of those things I am so thankful for. Its all just legend and lore for us. Not Internet history!

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:12 am
by DarthMonk
riggofan wrote:
DEHog wrote:Can you imagine if social media was around when we were young :shock:


One of those things I am so thankful for. Its all just legend and lore for us. Not Internet history!


I'd be in jail.

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:12 pm
by riggofan
Here's a hypothetical for you. I like to run the mock draft simulators on fanspeak. Once in a while I hit a scenario where QB Jared Goff slides all the way to 21.

Forget about whether or not this is likely. Cleveland takes Myles Jack, Dallas takes Jalen Ramsey, Eagles go for Ezekiel Elliot. Whatever. The first round goes unexpectedly and that QB is there.

If you're Scot McCloughan, and one of the top two QBs is there at #21, what do you do? I know most everyone will answer trade down, so I'll give you the condition that the Browns are offering their second round and third round picks this year + next year's first rounder.

What's your move and why?

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:01 pm
by Burgundy&Wha?
riggofan wrote:Here's a hypothetical for you. I like to run the mock draft simulators on fanspeak. Once in a while I hit a scenario where QB Jared Goff slides all the way to 21.

Forget about whether or not this is likely. Cleveland takes Myles Jack, Dallas takes Jalen Ramsey, Eagles go for Ezekiel Elliot. Whatever. The first round goes unexpectedly and that QB is there.

If you're Scot McCloughan, and one of the top two QBs is there at #21, what do you do? I know most everyone will answer trade down, so I'll give you the condition that the Browns are offering their second round and third round picks this year + next year's first rounder.

What's your move and why?


I'd take that trade and start dancin'. No question about it.

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:26 pm
by SkinsJock
I'd take Jared Goff - if a player (especially a QB) rated that high falls to us, I'd be surprised if the FO does not take him

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:00 pm
by DarthMonk
I trade.

For all we know, Scot has 21 guys rated higher.

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:45 pm
by riggofan
DarthMonk wrote:I trade.

For all we know, Scot has 21 guys rated higher.


Of course that's possible.

I guess what got me thinking about it was the whole Aaron Rodgers thing. My first thought was we don't need a QB that badly, stick to the plan to address other needs. But if you have a QB fall that you have rated as a top 20 player overall, does that change things?

We haven't locked up Cousins long term yet. Does that change anything?

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:15 am
by SkinsJock
We haven't locked up Cousins long term yet. Does that change anything?
you bet it does - that's why I take the QB, although, he's NOT going to be there at #21

speaking of Cousins - we heard that Scot promised him that the franchise would take care of him financially and surround him with a good team

seems like it's not all about football with Cousins ... I just love stirring this pot ... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... s-contract

go ahead ... make my day

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:54 am
by riggofan
Good stuff there, SJ. I don't think its really stirring the pot. This is the key paragraph that explains the dilemma. Both of these sentences are true:

It's dumb because Cousins shouldn't be getting that kind of money given his production. But it's also the reality of the quarterback market today, which means at some point Kirk Cousins is going to receive millions and millions of dollars. If it's not from the Redskins, it will be from someone else.


If you don't believe the second sentence, take a look at what the idiot Rams just gave up to move up to #1 this morning. You'd think the team on the long end of the RG3 trade would know better.

Re: Draft Targets

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:01 pm
by DEHog
Well with the Titans now owning mutiple round 2 picks...they may be a prime target for SM to aquire more picks by given up our 1st rounder...