Opportunity to trade RGIII

[Deadskins]

Antonio Pierce. We didn't cut him, but we could have kept him, and he definitely went on to haunt us having great seasons with one of our division rivals.

[DEHog]

Antonio Pierce. We didn't cut him, but we could have kept him, and he definitely went on to haunt us having great seasons with one of our division rivals.

As you said we didn't cut him...

[Deadskins]

Antonio Pierce. We didn't cut him, but we could have kept him, and he definitely went on to haunt us having great seasons with one of our division rivals.

As you said we didn't cut him...

I don't think that criteria really matters though. His point was about letting talent get away, and then coming back to haunt us. But I agree that it's not as prevalent as he's making it out to be.

Ryan Clark would be another example, but since he went to an AFC team, he really didn't haunt us so much as show we were stupid to let him get away.

[SkinsJock]

Apparently, Kirk will be the only player making the flight to New England, and will take on the entire team by himself.

not entirely true - the "YOU LIKE THAT" media will be close by and salivating at the prospect of taking Cousins down a peg or 2 - this is another great opportunity for Cousins to show that he's not the QB that many perceive him to be

[riggofan]

^

This fanbase is ridiculous sometimes.

I swear that guy's trolling sounds so familiar. Is this somebody who has been on here before and signed back up with a new name?

Hilarious posts, either way.

[SkinsJock]

Release RG3. No one will trade for him with his injury clause. Release him, let him go to a team that wants him and watch him destroy us and be so much better than Kirk in every way. It is not like the Redskins have a history of releasing players because of an idiot coach and then they go on and become fantastic players somewhere else. If Kirk is so good, why don't they just release RG3? Its because Gruden is fired at the end of the year. But maybe Im wrong- so just release him.

It's funny- Griffin was just the second QB in 20 years to take us to the playoffs, he had a legendary season and he performed so much better than Kirk ever will and we let a first time coach give up on him in the third preseason game and give him basically 7 starts- then preach we need to give Kirk 2 years when he wouldn't give Griffin anything. And people fall for that? It is the Gus/Zorn mentality that seems to be in Redskins fans.

So after Kirk gets destroyed by the Patriots (he could barely beat the worst team in the league at home), release RG3. Let's stick with this idiot coach and great backup QB and in two years when they are epic fails, Ill remember. And the same people that swooned over Gus, Zorn, Shanny and all the other turds will never mention their undying support of this fake coach and inconsistent backup that will cause the Redskins to do nothing for another 5 years and waste the careers of so many good football players on this team.

you really have to have a little patience - the product on the field is improving and we need to give this FO some time

nobody here really knows why Griffin is still on the roster - let's be a little more positive and see how things play out

we have 9 games to go - I think we'll see a bunch of things happen with this franchise that nobody expects - enjoy the rebuilding process

[markshark84]

Release RG3. No one will trade for him with his injury clause. Release him, let him go to a team that wants him and watch him destroy us and be so much better than Kirk in every way. It is not like the Redskins have a history of releasing players because of an idiot coach and then they go on and become fantastic players somewhere else. If Kirk is so good, why don't they just release RG3? Its because Gruden is fired at the end of the year. But maybe Im wrong- so just release him.

It's funny- Griffin was just the second QB in 20 years to take us to the playoffs, he had a legendary season and he performed so much better than Kirk ever will and we let a first time coach give up on him in the third preseason game and give him basically 7 starts- then preach we need to give Kirk 2 years when he wouldn't give Griffin anything. And people fall for that? It is the Gus/Zorn mentality that seems to be in Redskins fans.

So after Kirk gets destroyed by the Patriots (he could barely beat the worst team in the league at home), release RG3. Let's stick with this idiot coach and great backup QB and in two years when they are epic fails, Ill remember. And the same people that swooned over Gus, Zorn, Shanny and all the other turds will never mention their undying support of this fake coach and inconsistent backup that will cause the Redskins to do nothing for another 5 years and waste the careers of so many good football players on this team.

Man, reading that post was a roller coaster of emotion. So much anger.

Do you not realize that the 2014 season actually happened? RGIII did play that year. Just want to clear that up.

I love the Frerotte reference. I was in grade school when that dude was playing. Did anyone on the planet "swoon" over Zorn? I thought everyone hated that dude. Now do you think Shanahan is a bad coach? Because based on your logic as applied to RGIII, he should still be here.

Also --- hate to break to you and everyone else, but if we get to 7+ wins (maybe even 6) this year, there is a 0% chance Gruden gets fired. And you know why??? Because if Danny fires him there isn't a respectible NFL coach or coordinator on the planet that would take a job with this organization given Danny boys firing history. Remember when DCs (Fangio, Phillips) weren't "interested" in the DC job this offseason and we ended up with Barry (who honestly hasn't been horrible based on what I thought we were getting) --- sort of like that. People will interview here for leverage on the jobs they actually want. Danny boy has to start showing a little patience --- whether he likes it or not.

Side Note: Redskins QBs that have "lead" us to the playoffs since 1995: RGIII, Collins, Brunell, Johnson.

Man, if we could just get Mark Rypien out of retirement!!!!

Also --- If we don't keep RGIII I honestly hope he catches on somewhere else and has a great career. I really do like him as a person and think he deserves success (which in reality, doesn't mean it will happen).

[hitmandm]

I think many of you don't get the sarcasm in my original post and think it is the roller coaster of emotion. I cannot help you...

But here is something as well.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/media_gal ... e#slide-10

Add Pierce to that list. Add Suisham to that list.

I hope RG3 gets released or traded. Gus and Zorn, I mean Cousins and Gruden are perfect for you people. Someone will give RG3 a chance and he will kill us.

The reason he is still with the team is because Snyder thinks Gruden is an idiot and knows Cousins is a backup. Gruden will be fired unless he wins the East and Cousins will be placed on the bench where he belongs. There is no other reason to have RG3 here.

[hitmandm]

Release RG3. No one will trade for him with his injury clause. Release him, let him go to a team that wants him and watch him destroy us and be so much better than Kirk in every way. It is not like the Redskins have a history of releasing players because of an idiot coach and then they go on and become fantastic players somewhere else. If Kirk is so good, why don't they just release RG3? Its because Gruden is fired at the end of the year. But maybe Im wrong- so just release him.

It's funny- Griffin was just the second QB in 20 years to take us to the playoffs, he had a legendary season and he performed so much better than Kirk ever will and we let a first time coach give up on him in the third preseason game and give him basically 7 starts- then preach we need to give Kirk 2 years when he wouldn't give Griffin anything. And people fall for that? It is the Gus/Zorn mentality that seems to be in Redskins fans.

So after Kirk gets destroyed by the Patriots (he could barely beat the worst team in the league at home), release RG3. Let's stick with this idiot coach and great backup QB and in two years when they are epic fails, Ill remember. And the same people that swooned over Gus, Zorn, Shanny and all the other turds will never mention their undying support of this fake coach and inconsistent backup that will cause the Redskins to do nothing for another 5 years and waste the careers of so many good football players on this team.

you really have to have a little patience - the product on the field is improving and we need to give this FO some time

nobody here really knows why Griffin is still on the roster - let's be a little more positive and see how things play out

we have 9 games to go - I think we'll see a bunch of things happen with this franchise that nobody expects - enjoy the rebuilding process

What? I have little patience? Rg3 7 games Cousins 12 games-enuff said. I can hear you: Give Gus some more time. Zorn is a great coach. Give Shanny time to rebuild...

[oj]

Wasn't it Cousins that actually won us the Championship game? Led us on a come from behind victory?

[DEHog]

I think many of you don't get the sarcasm in my original post and think it is the roller coaster of emotion. I cannot help you...

But here is something as well.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/media_gal ... e#slide-10

Add Pierce to that list. Add Suisham to that list.

I hope RG3 gets released or traded. Gus and Zorn, I mean Cousins and Gruden are perfect for you people. Someone will give RG3 a chance and he will kill us.

The reason he is still with the team is because Snyder thinks Gruden is an idiot and knows Cousins is a backup. Gruden will be fired unless he wins the East and Cousins will be placed on the bench where he belongs. There is no other reason to have RG3 here.

Wow that is a pretty bad list worst than I thought...pretty bad when you have to have two kickers on the list.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I'm just going to throw this out there and let the excuses fall where they may. If RGIII really wanted to play or even have a chance of playing this season or being retained next season why wouldn't he go to Scot McCloughan and Bruce Allen and at least discuss reworking his contract? Wouldn't a team player do that? Reworking his contract could also facilitate a trade if he wants one. It genuinely looks as though he doesn't want to play this season. That makes it hard to trade a player.

[DEHog]

2015 NFL Trade Deadline Tuesday, November 3rd, 4:00 PM EST...Hopefully this thread dies with it!!

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

2015 NFL Trade Deadline Tuesday, November 3rd, 4:00 PM EST...Hopefully this thread dies with it!!

All you have to do to get a thread to die here is to let SkinsJock have the last word.

[StorminMormon86]

Jets QB situation looks bleak. 49ers too.

[Deadskins]

^

This fanbase is ridiculous sometimes.

I swear that guy's trolling sounds so familiar. Is this somebody who has been on here before and signed back up with a new name?

If Kazoo was here, he'd be calling him PODS by now.

[riggofan]

Jets QB situation looks bleak. 49ers too.

49ers aren't going anywhere this season. They would be stupid to trade. But the Jets...? They're actually in the mix this year, and that owner might be crazy enough to go all in.

[DEHog]

2015 NFL Trade Deadline Tuesday, November 3rd, 4:00 PM EST...Hopefully this thread dies with it!!

All you have to do to get a thread to die here is to let SkinsJock have the last word.

I gave him the last word weeks ago

[riggofan]

2015 NFL Trade Deadline Tuesday, November 3rd, 4:00 PM EST...Hopefully this thread dies with it!!

All you have to do to get a thread to die here is to let SkinsJock have the last word.

I gave him the last word weeks ago

[hitmandm]

I'm just going to throw this out there and let the excuses fall where they may. If RGIII really wanted to play or even have a chance of playing this season or being retained next season why wouldn't he go to Scot McCloughan and Bruce Allen and at least discuss reworking his contract? Wouldn't a team player do that? Reworking his contract could also facilitate a trade if he wants one. It genuinely looks as though he doesn't want to play this season. That makes it hard to trade a player.

Because he is Snyder's guy. Snyder is going to fire Gruden, justifiably. He would have fired him already but is too concerned with his image. RG3 knows he will be given a shot next year-so he is playing nice, not demanding a trade and biding his time.

[SkinsJock]

this is getting exciting - the trade deadline approaches and we're holding our breath in anticipation ...

will the owner let Scot trade Griffin? How good a player can we get? Is he even worth anything?

I am so looking forward to this playing out over the next 2 seasons

I do not agree with those that think that Griffin cannot be an effective QB in the NFL

[SkinsJock]

2015 NFL Trade Deadline Tuesday, November 3rd, 4:00 PM EST...Hopefully this thread dies with it!!

All you have to do to get a thread to die here is to let SkinsJock have the last word.

I gave him the last word weeks ago

sorry - I've been away - here I am ...

btw - can some of you help B&GF out, he isn't getting my posts anymore & maybe feeling a little neglected .. he craves constant attention

[markshark84]

Because he is Snyder's guy. Snyder is going to fire Gruden, justifiably. He would have fired him already but is too concerned with his image. RG3 knows he will be given a shot next year-so he is playing nice, not demanding a trade and biding his time.

I have been thinking about this and I actually see your point to a degree --- and it scares me, because if true, this organization is 100% doomed for failure for as long as Danny boy is our owner.

It is WELL documented that RGIII is teachers (aka Danny's) pet. Danny has given RGIII every possible opportunity in the world and within his power to be the starter here until it was basically out of his hands and unjustifiable (that is, Danny boy had screwed up redskins football so much that he was forced to hire a GM). Would it be beyond Danny boy to wisper in RGIII's ear and let him know that he is going to fire Gruden and to shut up and stick around --- and RGIII to listen intently. After all, it is basically a known fact that Danny boy will do anything for his teachers pet.

Now, I disagree that Danny hasn't fired Gruden yet for multiple reasons:
1. It's the GM's job
2. Our GM is not as stupid as Danny boy and wouldn't fire a coach midseason
3. At 3-4 Gruden doesn't deserve to be fired

Now I disagree with the 3rd sentence in this respect: if Danny boy waits until the end of the year, his image is still ruined. He will still be considered the worst owner in sports to work for and literally no respectible HC or OC candidate on the planet would want to coach in DC. Danny boy is too stupid/egotistical/insecure to realize this, so I am hoping Scot does. Also, RGIII is untradeable under his current deal.

Now, can Danny actual fire Gruden without Scot? Sure. He's the owner. He has done far worse and even stupider things in the past. So I can see this as happening only because of our owner. And if that is the case, nothing has changed and we continue to be the most unprofessional, F&*#ed up franchise in all of sports. In literally any other franchise on the planet -- the above "theory" would be straight up idiotic, but with Danny boy, it may very well be the case.

[hitmandm]

Because he is Snyder's guy. Snyder is going to fire Gruden, justifiably. He would have fired him already but is too concerned with his image. RG3 knows he will be given a shot next year-so he is playing nice, not demanding a trade and biding his time.

I have been thinking about this and I actually see your point to a degree --- and it scares me, because if true, this organization is 100% doomed for failure for as long as Danny boy is our owner.

It is WELL documented that RGIII is teachers (aka Danny's) pet. Danny has given RGIII every possible opportunity in the world and within his power to be the starter here until it was basically out of his hands and unjustifiable (that is, Danny boy had screwed up redskins football so much that he was forced to hire a GM). Would it be beyond Danny boy to wisper in RGIII's ear and let him know that he is going to fire Gruden and to shut up and stick around --- and RGIII to listen intently. After all, it is basically a known fact that Danny boy will do anything for his teachers pet.

Now, I disagree that Danny hasn't fired Gruden yet for multiple reasons:
1. It's the GM's job
2. Our GM is not as stupid as Danny boy and wouldn't fire a coach midseason
3. At 3-4 Gruden doesn't deserve to be fired

Now I disagree with the 3rd sentence in this respect: if Danny boy waits until the end of the year, his image is still ruined. He will still be considered the worst owner in sports to work for and literally no respectible HC or OC candidate on the planet would want to coach in DC. Danny boy is too stupid/egotistical/insecure to realize this, so I am hoping Scot does. Also, RGIII is untradeable under his current deal.

Now, can Danny actual fire Gruden without Scot? Sure. He's the owner. He has done far worse and even stupider things in the past. So I can see this as happening only because of our owner. And if that is the case, nothing has changed and we continue to be the most unprofessional, F&*#ed up franchise in all of sports. In literally any other franchise on the planet -- the above "theory" would be straight up idiotic, but with Danny boy, it may very well be the case.

No NFL Owner turns his team over to a GM totally. And the ones that do to the greatest extent have had GMs in place for a very long time and have an understanding. Actually, no one that owns 2 Billion dollars of anything sits by and lets others do whatever they want without some personal oversight. Sure, day to day a GM has a lot of power, but the direction of the franchise and big decisions are made in tandem or at the express will of the majority owner. Scot has authority. But to think that DS or any other owner does not get deeply involved when big decisions are looming (who is QB. Who is HC) is pretty clueless.

DS feels like Gruden reversed course and DS is right. Gruden was hired by DS to execute DS's direction of the franchise and Gruden went off on his own showing very little regard to the owner's original premise. Gruden is history like he would be in any industry where you are hired to do a job and you do the opposite.

Yes- if DS fires JG at the end of the year he will look bad. But who cares. People will still come. Gruden is an idiot and is thought so by half (the insightful half) of the fanbase. He is no homegrown coach with ties here whatsoever. He has had no success here. He is a fat loser who lied his way into a contract and did not even attempt to deliver. Gruden will not only get fired, but he will never work again in the NFL. No owner who has billions of dollars at stake will hire a guy who so clumsily reneged on his word and direction set by his former employer.

The Redskins go nowhere with Gruden as HC. He sucks. DS knows this. DS is right.

[DEHog]

Well it's looks like RG will have to stand in line behind another RO QB if he wants to be traded!!