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Deadskins wrote:No way do you franchise him. And just because they picked up Bob's option doesn't mean they were prepared to pay him, just that they were hedging their bets. If they want to keep Kirk, sign him to an extension before he hits the market, you don't overpay him the average of the top five QB salaries.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

oj wrote:I can see Cousins playing here for the next 15years, easily. He's smart, tough, lets others make the plays, not injury prone, takes few sacks - once he gets the experience he will be hard to beat. Remember, he is playing against a brand new team every week, he has to figure them out all over again. When he starts to replay those teams we'll see a different Cousins.

I agree with your overall assessment although I think the team will have to keep a head coach longer than a few seasons before it keeps a quarterback longer than a few seasons. I'm not sure I see Gruden here long enough to guarantee Kirk being on the roster that long. New coaches like to pick their own quarterbacks. I think Kirk would have to show a lot between now and season's end to even guarantee his position as next year's starter. I also think he's perfectly capable of doing so.

OldSchool wrote:Snyder could screw up anything and might feel like tinkering but it looks to me that Scot and Jay are a good pair and I hope they leave the regime in place at least a couple of more seasons to improve. Scot's big boy roster strategy and Gruden's offense are compatible so I think Snyder keeps his nose out of things for awhile.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

Deadskins wrote:No way do you franchise him. And just because they picked up Bob's option doesn't mean they were prepared to pay him, just that they were hedging their bets. If they want to keep Kirk, sign him to an extension before he hits the market, you don't overpay him the average of the top five QB salaries.

I agree. Even if Kirk becomes Aaron Rodgers over the next 11 games he can be signed to a long-term extension far cheaper and more cap friendly than using the franchise tag.

Green's breakout season came just in time, as he became an unrestricted free agent after the 1998 season. He rejected a 4-year, $12 million offer from the Redskins, and on February 15, 1999, he agreed to a 4-year $17.5 million contract with the St. Louis Rams which included a $4.5 million signing bonus

riggofan wrote:I don't disagree with what you guys are saying, so no need for the eye roll. Of course the best option would be to sign him to an extension. But he's a FREE AGENT at the end of the season. He doesn't have to sign jack, especially if he has other options. Remember, Trent Green???

Green's breakout season came just in time, as he became an unrestricted free agent after the 1998 season. He rejected a 4-year, $12 million offer from the Redskins, and on February 15, 1999, he agreed to a 4-year $17.5 million contract with the St. Louis Rams which included a $4.5 million signing bonus

All I'm saying is that if you're not prepared to use the franchise tag, then you'd better be prepared to let him walk out the door.

I don't disagree with what you guys are saying, so no need for the eye roll. Of course the best option would be to sign him to an extension. But he's a FREE AGENT at the end of the season. He doesn't have to sign jack, especially if he has other options. Remember, Trent Green???

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:If Kirk has a modicum of ability to be above average we have to keep him.

DEHog wrote:

I don't disagree with what you guys are saying, so no need for the eye roll. Of course the best option would be to sign him to an extension. But he's a FREE AGENT at the end of the season. He doesn't have to sign jack, especially if he has other options. Remember, Trent Green???

Riggo that's a great point, I only said what I said to ask if the Redskins would?? But don't be so quick to dismiss the FT. It's not about what he's worth it's what will others pay...My goodness how many times has Flynn been signed?? I fully expect Kirk to test the FA waters after the season and (of course alot depend on how he plays) I can see some QB staved team giving him a sizable contract...so placing the FT on him could be on the table depending on what else is available??

P.S. If he's played like Rogers he'll get a huge contract!!

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:

I don't disagree with what you guys are saying, so no need for the eye roll. Of course the best option would be to sign him to an extension. But he's a FREE AGENT at the end of the season. He doesn't have to sign jack, especially if he has other options. Remember, Trent Green???

Riggo that's a great point, I only said what I said to ask if the Redskins would?? But don't be so quick to dismiss the FT. It's not about what he's worth it's what will others pay...My goodness how many times has Flynn been signed?? I fully expect Kirk to test the FA waters after the season and (of course alot depend on how he plays) I can see some QB staved team giving him a sizable contract...so placing the FT on him could be on the table depending on what else is available??

P.S. If he's played like Rogers he'll get a huge contract!!

I'm not dismissing the FT at all. I agree 100% with what you're saying, DE.

I would be concerned letting him get to free agency for another reason too. There's no guarantee that we would win a bidding war with another team. Given the dysfunction here and some of the treatment he has received along the way, I could see him weighing other factors than just the bottom line $$$.

riggofan wrote:Again, just want to stress I am not saying Cousins is that guy at all. I personally have no idea.

SkinsJock wrote:I'll admit that Captain Kirk has stepped up but I do not see him becoming a really good NFL QB - I'm hoping for his sake as well as ours, that he can become a good starting QB - he's OK, and he's grabbing the opportunity but he just doesn't seem to have it all

I would be OK with Gruden and Captain Kirk in 2016 because that would mean we had a really good season - sorry, I just don't see that either

If Captain Kirk looks at all promising and he's going to be the starting QB here in 2016, then he will be here - Scot will make that happen

it's a moot point - Captain Kirk ain't that good

DEHog wrote:Totally agree and I wouldn't blame him one bit. I can easliy see a bidding war for him...just take a look around the league at who's playing the position.
Here's what would be interesting...say both RG and Kirk hit the FA market...who gets signed first/larger contract??

markshark84 wrote:

DEHog wrote:Totally agree and I wouldn't blame him one bit. I can easliy see a bidding war for him...just take a look around the league at who's playing the position.
Here's what would be interesting...say both RG and Kirk hit the FA market...who gets signed first/larger contract??

I don't think that is even debatable. As it currently stands, there is very little interest in RGIII (although his contract is an issue). If Cousins were on the market, there would be multiple teams in the mix.

Cousins ranks 16th in QBR this year and is considered being early in his career. I think that will attract a number of suitors who think their situation will improve his play more than his current output (which is mediocre). And personally, I don't think Cousins is a huge fan of how things have gone down in DC and would show little, if any, loyalty to the organization in salary negotiations.

SkinsJock wrote:I'll admit that Captain Kirk has stepped up but I do not see him becoming a really good NFL QB - I'm hoping for his sake as well as ours, that he can become a good starting QB - he's OK, and he's grabbing the opportunity but he just doesn't seem to have it all

I would be OK with Gruden and Captain Kirk in 2016 because that would mean we had a really good season - sorry, I just don't see that either

If Captain Kirk looks at all promising and he's going to be the starting QB here in 2016, then he will be here - Scot will make that happen

it's a moot point - Captain Kirk ain't that good

SkinsJock wrote:keep it up OS - paybacks are coming your way ... big time

OldSchool wrote:I want to see Cousins start 16 games because I think the more he starts the more we will see performances like today. Shanahan said recently that he thought Cousins could become a top 10 QB and needed time and a more balanced team to work with to realize that potential. It is easy to spot Kirk's upside because he thinks so quickly and has a really nice arm. I want the Skins to give Kirk the rest of the year because he just might be the guy we've been hoping for a long time. I not saying he is but I am definitely saying he might be so he needs to get at least the rest of thus year to see if he can continue to grow and develop.

SkinsJock wrote:

OldSchool wrote:I want to see Cousins start 16 games because I think the more he starts the more we will see performances like today. Shanahan said recently that he thought Cousins could become a top 10 QB and needed time and a more balanced team to work with to realize that potential. It is easy to spot Kirk's upside because he thinks so quickly and has a really nice arm. I want the Skins to give Kirk the rest of the year because he just might be the guy we've been hoping for a long time. I not saying he is but I am definitely saying he might be so he needs to get at least the rest of thus year to see if he can continue to grow and develop.

well it's been 2 weeks ... hopefully he plays well this week and then does really well during the bye week so he can come back and lead the team to success against the Patriots - although I'm sure there will be a bunch of excuses from some here as to why things don't go so well ..

SkinsJock wrote:well it's been 2 weeks ... hopefully he plays well this week and then does really well during the bye week so he can come back and lead the team to success against the Patriots - although I'm sure there will be a bunch of excuses from some here as to why things don't go so well ..

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:well it's been 2 weeks ... hopefully he plays well this week and then does really well during the bye week so he can come back and lead the team to success against the Patriots - although I'm sure there will be a bunch of excuses from some here as to why things don't go so well ..

You are in denial if you don't believe the same excuses were used for Griffin's poor play. How many times was Gruden, the offensive line, and receivers blamed for deficiencies in Griffin's play? Daily. And you know what? I don't have a problem with people who want to absolve the QB's of a team they root for. Most fans don't want to see (or admit) their QB on their favorite team is a failure. Except certain trolls who get a kick out of a quarterback who had a bad game and dub them "Captain Pick". Enjoy this week. I expect you to disappear when Kirk has a bounce back game.

SkinsJock wrote:some of you guys are obviously not watching the same games I'm watching - that, or you have what I'd call selective 'vision'