Ryan Clark on Jay Gruden

[SkinsJock]

I'm not concerned about Prisco or anyone else's opinion of Cousins as a QB ... my only concern is that Cousins has not shown that he's a very good NFL QB - he's OK, he's not proven that he can play well under pressure

Cousins played well on Sunday - there were many other reasons that we did not win the game

Cousins did his job well and considering how good that D line is, he did very well

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Not a big Ryan Clark fan. He got out of town as fast as possible after his initial success and only reason he was back is we have had the worst safeties in the NFL for a few season.

Your assessment of Clark's initial departure is flat out wrong... He was let go by the team, in favor of a complete stud, Adam Archuleta... (Where's my darned sarcasm smiley???). FAIL, FAIL, FAIL!!!!

Clark was superior to EVERY safety we've had since, save one... And that one was damned near a football God...

The last decade plus would have been very different had Sean Taylor and Ryan Clark been patrolling the secondary.

[Countertrey]

Not a big Ryan Clark fan. He got out of town as fast as possible after his initial success and only reason he was back is we have had the worst safeties in the NFL for a few season.

Your assessment of Clark's initial departure is flat out wrong... He was let go by the team, in favor of a complete stud, Adam Archuleta... (Where's my darned sarcasm smiley???). FAIL, FAIL, FAIL!!!!

Clark was superior to EVERY safety we've had since, save one... And that one was damned near a football God...

The last decade plus would have been very different had Sean Taylor and Ryan Clark been patrolling the secondary.

Yes, sir!

[SkinsJock]

I just watched a team (Atlanta) win a game they should have lost and IMHO it was mainly because of their HC

I understand that Jay Gruden has 'inherited' a very messy deal here but the HC can make a big difference and this guy needs to step up

great job by the Falcons coach tonight and another sign of how much the NFL is moving on from the old fashioned style - love it

[Deadskins]

I just watched a team (Atlanta) win a game they should have lost and IMHO it was mainly because of their HC

I understand that Jay Gruden has 'inherited' a very messy deal here but the HC can make a big difference and this guy needs to step up

great job by the Falcons coach tonight and another sign of how much the NFL is moving on from the old fashioned style - love it

What do you feel the coach did to win the game?

[SkinsJock]

I just watched a team (Atlanta) win a game they should have lost and IMHO it was mainly because of their HC

I understand that Jay Gruden has 'inherited' a very messy deal here but the HC can make a big difference and this guy needs to step up

great job by the Falcons coach tonight and another sign of how much the NFL is moving on from the old fashioned style - love it

What do you feel the coach did to win the game?

the energy on that sideline was great and the way Atlanta played was very different than the Mike Smith led team of last season

coaches are just like people, nobody is the same and there's no right way to be a HC ... that being said, this is a business and these guys are on TV and they are 'leading' their players - a little emotion would be good - there are no Tom Landry's coaching anymore

[DEHog]

I just watched a team (Atlanta) win a game they should have lost and IMHO it was mainly because of their HC

I understand that Jay Gruden has 'inherited' a very messy deal here but the HC can make a big difference and this guy needs to step up

great job by the Falcons coach tonight and another sign of how much the NFL is moving on from the old fashioned style - love it

What do you feel the coach did to win the game?

the energy on that sideline was great and the way Atlanta played was very different than the Mike Smith led team of last season

coaches are just like people, nobody is the same and there's no right way to be a HC ... that being said, this is a business and these guys are on TV and they are 'leading' their players - a little emotion would be good - there are no Tom Landry's coaching anymore

Yea Belichick is full of emotion Quinn had a great D game plan and still came a missed FG away from losing.

[riggofan]

Yea Belichick is full of emotion Quinn had a great D game plan and still came a missed FG away from losing.

LMFAO. Mainly because of their head coach... Did we somehow miss Vic Beasley and Grady Jarrett getting it done on the field? It certainly helps your defense to add one of the top DEs with the 8th pick in the draft. Matt Ryan and Julio Jones v. Sam Bradford and Jordan Matthews? Come on.

Dan Quinn is a good defensive coach though, no doubt.

[markshark84]

the energy on that sideline was great and the way Atlanta played was very different than the Mike Smith led team of last season

coaches are just like people, nobody is the same and there's no right way to be a HC ... that being said, this is a business and these guys are on TV and they are 'leading' their players - a little emotion would be good - there are no Tom Landry's coaching anymore

I have played many sports on winning and losing teams. That being said, I have played on some VERY successful teams in my day. I have found that the coaches with LESS emotion are MORE effective. In coaching, it is ALL about RESPECT. If you respect your coach, you will do what he says and FIGHT for him. If you don't --- you'll do less of what he says or ignore it. I have found that --- for lack of a better term --- love is more of a motivator than fear. Being afraid your coach will act crazy or yell doesn't motivate players. What does is a player's desire to play FOR his coach.

Take Gibbs --- I was told that he truly raised/yelled his voice to his players ONCE in his career; a game against the eagles. Otherwise, he never did in his entire career. The best coaches in the NFL generally didn't get emotional on the sidelines --- Walsh, Gibbs, Behilick, Landry, Levy, Dungy, Shula, etc.

As an example --- I used to have a football coach that would yell constantly and act all macho for no reason. If I made a mistake, he would call me over and repeatedly hit (not forceful, just enough to annoy the sh*% out of me) the top of my helmet with his wedding ring repeatedly saying "markshark what is your role, what is your role" --- when I would be doing what he said and making plays. In my mind, I'd be like "WTF is he talking about? This guy is an idiot.". He'd always "punish" us by making us run, crab crawls, etc. if we lost, did something wrong, or made an honest mistake. The guy was an absolute douche. We went 1-8 that year. Two years later, our basically identical team --- with a different coach (a coach that was basically the polar opposite and an all around good dude) --- won the state championship at the highest competition level. What I am trying to say is that coaches that act emotional tend to get less respect because they do things that piss off the players and make them resent the coach. In coaching --- just as in playing --- respect is EARNED; and it isn't earned by mouthing off or acting emotional.

The goal of coaching is to have your players believe in you, trust you, and respect you. If they do, your job is done. Gruden needs to EARN the respect of his players. And that comes by being loyal to them; making the players know he too will fight for them. Gruden has not yet done this.

You say there are no landry's anymore...... first there are. second, coaching/leadership doesn't "evolve" like an NFL offense. The ability to lead and the way in which it is accomplished is static, unchanging. Leaders from 200 years ago would still be leaders today --- and just as effective.

[SkinsJock]

^^ Thanks - makes me realize how lucky we are to have such a good HC here ... Jay Gruden - the strong, silent type of HC ..

[DaSkinz Baby]

What I don't understand is this. Gruden was brought here to coach up RGIII. RGIII is a spread QB period. Why have a QB that gave the league fits to all of a sudden stop? Why is it Miami and San Francisco can run altered versions of the Read Option offense and it being successful but RGIII who is smart enough to graduate college in 3 years all of a sudden becomes so stupid that he can't read defenses but he could read defenses good enough in a spread offense? What has Jay Gruden done to warrant him even being a Head Coach? I mean what he coached Andy Dalton? How many playoff wins and Super Bowl rings does Jay and Andy have?? Maybe the days of coaches being coaches and coaching players to their strengths are long dead and perhaps I finally need to come to the conclusion that this owner and the coaches he hires are nothing more than homers that play Madden 16 with real live players. The total dysfunction, the blatant disrespect shown by officials is just sickening. How the hell does Suh kick Morris, rip the helmet off of our RT and damn near poke his eye out and not be called but the home team is called 11 times for questionable calls? Would Suh been able to do those same exact things in NY, Dallas or Green Bay?? I just have to come to the fact that this team is what the Falcon's and Saints once were, laughing stocks and Snyder laughs all the way to the bank. We have a GM that can't keep his penis in his pants, we have Bruce Allen that lives off his father's name, and a coach that is pathetic and laughing all cause his brother was a Head Coach. People it's a sad day and I for one am simply sick of this carnival that Snyder has turned this once proud franchise into. I hope he get's on Redskin's 1 and it crashes..........

[SkinsJock]

oh boy! - I hope we don't lose the next 3 - things could get rough ....

[riggofan]

What I don't understand is this. Gruden was brought here to coach up RGIII. RGIII is a spread QB period. Why have a QB that gave the league fits to all of a sudden stop?

This is one of the most idiotic posts I've read all year. Griffin stopped playing the read option a year before Gruden ever got here. He flat out told the Shanahans he wouldn't run those plays anymore. And even if he is willing to run those plays, what's the f----ing point? He can't run them AND stay healthy. Did you somehow miss his ankle dislocation last year?

Give it a freaking rest man.

[DaSkinz Baby]

What I don't understand is this. Gruden was brought here to coach up RGIII. RGIII is a spread QB period. Why have a QB that gave the league fits to all of a sudden stop?

This is one of the most idiotic posts I've read all year. Griffin stopped playing the read option a year before Gruden ever got here. He flat out told the Shanahans he wouldn't run those plays anymore. And even if he is willing to run those plays, what's the f----ing point? He can't run them AND stay healthy. Did you somehow miss his ankle dislocation last year?

Give it a freaking rest man.

How did he stop playing the read option? Since when do players dictate what they play? Oh yeah I forgot THEY DON'T!! RGIII even said he would RUN WHAT THE COACHES WANT TO RUN!! and no I was actually at the game sitting in my 700 dollar seats when he dislocated his ankle, along with the game where Cousins, McCoy all looked like garbage. So actually what's your point? Actually what's the point of a message board when we have nothing but experts like yourself that know everything. Tell me do you have a blog or something I can read instead of asking questions cause I have nothing but idiotic posts and you have nothing but supreme answers and know how........

[riggofan]

How did he stop playing the read option? Since when do players dictate what they play? Oh yeah I forgot THEY DON'T!! RGIII even said he would RUN WHAT THE COACHES WANT TO RUN!! and no I was actually at the game sitting in my 700 dollar seats when he dislocated his ankle, along with the game where Cousins, McCoy all looked like garbage. So actually what's your point? Actually what's the point of a message board when we have nothing but experts like yourself that know everything. Tell me do you have a blog or something I can read instead of asking questions cause I have nothing but idiotic posts and you have nothing but supreme answers and know how........

Post whatever you want. Don't wet your pants when other posters disagree with your opinions.

$700 seats. lol.

[markshark84]

How did he stop playing the read option? Since when do players dictate what they play? Oh yeah I forgot THEY DON'T!! RGIII even said he would RUN WHAT THE COACHES WANT TO RUN!! and no I was actually at the game sitting in my 700 dollar seats when he dislocated his ankle, along with the game where Cousins, McCoy all looked like garbage. So actually what's your point? Actually what's the point of a message board when we have nothing but experts like yourself that know everything. Tell me do you have a blog or something I can read instead of asking questions cause I have nothing but idiotic posts and you have nothing but supreme answers and know how........

I recommend you take a little skins history lesson going back to 2013. First, we STOPPED running a pure read option at the end of 2012. Post-injury RGIII (along with Danny) had deemed RGIII a "drop back" passer and demanded that Kyle Shanahan implement a pro-style offense..... we all know how that turned out . And RGIII did in fact say he would NOT run the read option and that he was a drop back passer. I have no idea where you are getting that RGIII said he would run what the coaches wanted, because that couldn't be further from the truth in 2013. And with Gruden, RGIII can't run his offense, so it doesn't matter.

From the above, it sounds like you may be a little excitable, so I'll just leave it at I think you are a bit off in your assessment.

[markshark84]

Why is it Miami and San Francisco can run altered versions of the Read Option offense and it being successful but RGIII who is smart enough to graduate college in 3 years all of a sudden becomes so stupid that he can't read defenses but he could read defenses good enough in a spread offense?

Also --- what is your definition of "successful". Both of those teams didn't make the playoffs last year.

And I don't think anyone is saying RGIII isn't intelligent. I personally don't think you can dispute the fact RGIII is a VERY smart guy. HOWEVER, being smart and having an ability to read defenses are two VERY VERY different things.

[riggofan]

I recommend you take a little skins history lesson going back to 2013. First, we STOPPED running a pure read option at the end of 2012. Post-injury RGIII (along with Danny) had deemed RGIII a "drop back" passer and demanded that Kyle Shanahan implement a pro-style offense..... we all know how that turned out . And RGIII did in fact say he would NOT run the read option and that he was a drop back passer. I have no idea where you are getting that RGIII said he would run what the coaches wanted, because that couldn't be further from the truth in 2013. And with Gruden, RGIII can't run his offense, so it doesn't matter.

From the above, it sounds like you may be a little excitable, so I'll just leave it at I think you are a bit off in your assessment.

I applaud your willingness to bother posting this, mark.

[riggofan]

Why is it Miami and San Francisco can run altered versions of the Read Option offense and it being successful but RGIII who is smart enough to graduate college in 3 years all of a sudden becomes so stupid that he can't read defenses but he could read defenses good enough in a spread offense?

Also --- what is your definition of "successful". Both of those teams didn't make the playoffs last year.

And I don't think anyone is saying RGIII isn't intelligent. I personally don't think you can dispute the fact RGIII is a VERY smart guy. HOWEVER, being smart and having an ability to read defenses are two VERY VERY different things.

Not everyone apparently read the recent WSJ article about guys coming out of college spread offenses who can't read defenses in the NFL.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-nfl ... 1441819454
Coaches see more QB prospects entering the league without the skill sets to excel; Will the classic NFL passer go extinct?

Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi said the new crop of college quarterbacks were flummoxed by a simple question about an “under” front, one of the most common defensive alignments. “Whoa, no one’s ever told me ‘front’ before,” he remembers one prospect saying. “No one’s ever talked to me about reading these defenses.”

Probably Jay Gruden's fault though.

[SkinsJock]

At some time - not sure when - it was reported that RGIII stated that he would run whatever offense the coaches wanted him to

it was a report - and that could mean anything - but, I do remember that sentiment being expressed

[SkinsJock]

btw - I do understand that being intelligent and being able to run an offense well are too different things but the athletic capability and talent to do what RGIII has done over the past 10 years are pretty amazing - This franchise has a huge problem if Gruden does not want Griffin to play QB and Griffin is still on the roster ...

this is kind of fun for those of us that still think or hope that Griffin can play QB better than we've seen these past few months

I really want Scot to be in complete control of who coaches and plays here - AND - I'd like to see Griffin playing QB for the Redskins

[HEROHAMO]

If we go 0-4 I will ready to start chanting fire Gruden and play RG3. Heck I already want Robert in.

Kirk on cue threw two interceptions. I like the guy but he just gets small in the biggest moments. When we needed a first down in the final drive he came up short.

[HEROHAMO]

Its very simple.

We have Scotty Mac who has ties with Seattle and San Fran. If we fire Gruden and keep RG3.
Then we just hire an offensive coach from Seattle, San Fran, Baylor, Oregon, Philly to implement
an offense for Griffin.

Knowing Snyder he is going to keep RG3.

Look people the team does not believe they are going to win.

Deasean Jackson was interviewed and he expressed no confidence on this team winning this year.

[riggofan]

this is kind of fun for those of us that still think or hope that Griffin can play QB better than we've seen these past few months

Yeah its really fun.

[StorminMormon86]

this is kind of fun for those of us that still think or hope that Griffin can play QB better than we've seen these past few months

Yeah its really f'n delusional.

Fixed it for you.