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Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:24 pm
by tribeofjudah
Gruden further elaborated: “We only offered, really, to Joe. Vic was kind of more of a meeting and see what kind of availability he had. He didn’t really say he was available. I think he had the decision made up in his mind. I thought it was important to get him down to D.C. and check it out see if there was a chance we would want him or if he would come here and it didn’t work out.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... -redskins/
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:32 pm
by mastdark81
I think I'd rather keep Haslett than the Joe Barry/Raheem Morris combo. Not saying he won't be a good but I'm just about hiring the guy with the best qualifications instead of the buddy system.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:44 pm
by riggofan
mastdark81 wrote:I think I'd rather keep Haslett than the Joe Barry/Raheem Morris combo. Not saying he won't be a good but I'm just about hiring the guy with the best qualifications instead of the buddy system.
How is Haslett any less a part of the "buddy system" than Barry or Morris? Gruden worked for Haslett previously.
I think people make too big a deal out of this buddy system stuff. If you've worked with a coach previously wouldn't you be in a better position to know if that guy can coach or not?
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:46 pm
by riggofan
Funny to see people wishing for Haslett btw! WTH??
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:48 pm
by tribeofjudah
riggofan wrote:Funny to see people wishing for Haslett btw! WTH??
Get over Haz............that ship has sailed
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:57 pm
by chiefhog44
riggofan wrote:Funny to see people wishing for Haslett btw! WTH??
Haven't seen one person post wishing for Haz. I think I've seen people saying that Haz is a better solution than Barry as a comparison so why fire Haslet. I certainly think so. Hard not to. That doesn't mean Haslet sucks as well. Thought that when he was hired.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:06 pm
by riggofan
chiefhog44 wrote:riggofan wrote:Funny to see people wishing for Haslett btw! WTH??
Haven't seen one person post wishing for Haz. I think I've seen people saying that Haz is a better solution than Barry as a comparison so why fire Haslet. I certainly think so. Hard not to. That doesn't mean Haslet sucks as well. Thought that when he was hired.
I've seen a couple people post today that they would prefer to have kept Haslett (sorry if that does not equate to "wishing for Haslett"). Either way, just struck me as funny/odd after everything that has been written about him the past two years or so.
I hear what you're saying about "why fire Haslett" though. I don't think it was a great idea to have fired him unless they had a clear plan for his replacement. I kind of figured at the time that they were planning to upgrade with Wade Phillips.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:37 pm
by DarthMonk
For anyone interested, here is Barry teaching a defense - 4 mins, 38 secs.
http://www.chargers.com/video/videos/12 ... 131e1c4a53
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:39 pm
by markshark84
riggofan wrote:DEHog wrote:Let me be clear:
This is a Jay Gruden choice regardless of who is chosen. The final decision is made when THAT choice is brought up to the attention of the FO because the Team hires, not the HC. Different FO members may and often do give their views but it is STILL the prerogative of the HC to make the decision in most cases. This is a Jay Gruden choice notwithstanding different views in support and others offering other options. Clear now?
No?? Your saying Gruden doesn't have final say...
Clear as mud.
I'm really not sure what he is getting so up in arms about to be honest. The team clearly wanted Vic Fangio. Fangio preferred Chicago. The team hired their second choice. What do prerogatives and different views from the FO have to do with it?
Yes. Fangio never wanted DC. He used the interview as
LEVERAGE for the CHI job.
Oldest trick in the book. I personally have done it MULTIPLE times.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:45 pm
by OldSchool
Fairly or unfairly Gruden probably needs to show some improvement in 2015 to coach the Skins in 2016. If he thinks Joe Barry is the guy to help him get to 2016 so be it.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:31 pm
by riggofan
OldSchool wrote:Fairly or unfairly Gruden probably needs to show some improvement in 2015 to coach the Skins in 2016. If he thinks Joe Barry is the guy to help him get to 2016 so be it.
I think its fair. I don't think the team has to (or is likely to) make a playoff run or anything, but it seems fair to expect that they should show some improvement in his second year.
Its hard not to feel like his first year was kind of a waste though, not a lot to build on. The QB situation obviously. Not sure the draft or FA brought many players in to build on. Gruden has his work cut out for him.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:02 am
by Redskin in Canada
Beginning to come out:
But this move is still quite concerning, mainly because it appears this was a deal made by newly promoted team President Bruce Allen, rather than new general manager Scot McCloughan.
It's not a great sign that Allen continues to go back to that same old Tampa Bay well that gave him head coach Jay Gruden, offensive coordinator Sean McVay, secondary coach Raheem Morris and defenders E.J. Biggers, Adam Hayward and Tanard Jackson.
The whole thing has me wondering once again who's calling what shots, which might not bode well. If indeed McCloughan has the final say on personnel, he should be involved in who will be designing and implementing the schemes for the players he's signing.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2329 ... -be-flawed
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:58 am
by Deadskins
Has anyone heard anything about Wade Phillips' interview. I'm surprised we didn't give him more of a look.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:17 am
by chiefhog44
Redskin in Canada wrote:Beginning to come out:
But this move is still quite concerning, mainly because it appears this was a deal made by newly promoted team President Bruce Allen, rather than new general manager Scot McCloughan.
It's not a great sign that Allen continues to go back to that same old Tampa Bay well that gave him head coach Jay Gruden, offensive coordinator Sean McVay, secondary coach Raheem Morris and defenders E.J. Biggers, Adam Hayward and Tanard Jackson.
The whole thing has me wondering once again who's calling what shots, which might not bode well. If indeed McCloughan has the final say on personnel, he should be involved in who will be designing and implementing the schemes for the players he's signing.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2329 ... -be-flawed
2 things...1)this is bleacher report. It's written by fans. 2) understand that Jay was in Tampa as well so why is this fan who wrote this on bleacher report assuming it was Bruce? They don't know. Bottom line is bleacher report is nothing more than what you read in here. Stop citing it as a source.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:20 am
by riggofan
chiefhog44 wrote:Redskin in Canada wrote:Beginning to come out:
But this move is still quite concerning, mainly because it appears this was a deal made by newly promoted team President Bruce Allen, rather than new general manager Scot McCloughan.
It's not a great sign that Allen continues to go back to that same old Tampa Bay well that gave him head coach Jay Gruden, offensive coordinator Sean McVay, secondary coach Raheem Morris and defenders E.J. Biggers, Adam Hayward and Tanard Jackson.
The whole thing has me wondering once again who's calling what shots, which might not bode well. If indeed McCloughan has the final say on personnel, he should be involved in who will be designing and implementing the schemes for the players he's signing.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2329 ... -be-flawed
2 things...1)this is bleacher report. It's written by fans. 2) understand that Jay was in Tampa as well so why is this fan who wrote this on bleacher report assuming it was Bruce? They don't know. Bottom line is bleacher report is nothing more than what you read in here. Stop citing it as a source.
How about THREE things? #3 Scot McCloughan said on his very first day that Jay Gruden was responsible for choosing his defensive coordinator. This is such a BS non-issue.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:31 am
by SkinsJock
I don't think that Joe Barry is a great choice as DC but the fact remains that as long as the right people are making the personnel decisions here, the rebuilding of this franchise is still going to take a while and it really is not a matter of 1 good player or 1 good coach
this franchise needs to make a plan and stick with it through the next few drafts
the process might only take 3 drafts - we could be contenders in 2017 if the NFL guys are really making the player & coaching decisions
we're certainly not contending for a playoff spot in 2015 or 2016 with this roster - it needs a huge overhaul
this is not a great DC IMO but Vic Fangio or Wade Phillips is not suddenly making this defense 'better' either
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:37 pm
by mastdark81
riggofan wrote:mastdark81 wrote:I think I'd rather keep Haslett than the Joe Barry/Raheem Morris combo. Not saying he won't be a good but I'm just about hiring the guy with the best qualifications instead of the buddy system.
How is Haslett any less a part of the "buddy system" than Barry or Morris? Gruden worked for Haslett previously.
I think people make too big a deal out of this buddy system stuff. If you've worked with a coach previously wouldn't you be in a better position to know if that guy can coach or not?
Thats my point. If you going to keep the "buddy system" you might as well have kept Haslett since he already knew the defense and the players. I thought they were open to firing Haz to be able to get a better qualified defensive coordinator. They actually downgraded with Joe Barry. He may have better potential since he is younger but what indicates that? Joe Barry should be somewhere coaching college after failing in Detroit in two seasons. Only thing working for him is he's "new" and may give the defense a short burst initially. Coaches do count!
You hire the best qualified people for the job. Football isn't about who you feel comfortable drinking beer and going to the bar around. These guys seem to not have any friends outside of this football stuff. It is about winning, that is all it is about. If I go 4-12 and on the hot seat the next year (don't think Gruden isn't), I'm getting the best guy I can get who have had a track record of success over an extended period of time. That's not saying I wouldn't hire Joe Barry to be a linebackers coach, but he wouldn't be my defensive coordinator. You think Gruden know how to identify good coaches? Well why is their changes this year in the coaching staff? His first selections wasn't ideal apparently.
Lastly for the Redskins management to even consider Raheem Morris is really ridiculous. His unit under performed the entire time he has been here and yes the talent was bare, somewhat but we are the only team that you see with consistent break downs each game where guys are wiiiiiiiide open.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:43 pm
by mastdark81
SkinsJock wrote:I don't think that Joe Barry is a great choice as DC but the fact remains that as long as the right people are making the personnel decisions here, the rebuilding of this franchise is still going to take a while and it really is not a matter of 1 good player or 1 good coach
this franchise needs to make a plan and stick with it through the next few drafts
the process might only take 3 drafts - we could be contenders in 2017 if the NFL guys are really making the player & coaching decisions
we're certainly not contending for a playoff spot in 2015 or 2016 with this roster - it needs a huge overhaul
this is not a great DC IMO but Vic Fangio or Wade Phillips is not suddenly making this defense 'better' either
In the game of football all of it counts to me! One bad apple can spoil it all. Maybe yall can but I can never be satisfied or content with amateurs. But anything can happen in the NFL. It would seem it could take a few years to turn it around but so was said about the Cowgirls and they ended up winning a playoff game this year. If we can get one of those lines solid, we could be better sooner than most think.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:59 pm
by SkinsJock
most think it's going to take a long time ... it's possible that we could be playoff contenders this season ...
realistically, the quickest time frame with the roster and staff we have is that we could be playoff contenders in 2017
we just need a little luck and for the guys in charge to be left alone by you know who ....
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:13 pm
by SkinsJock
This franchise now has a GM in Scot McCloughan - he needs time to make sure the right pieces are in place ...
if the current coaches cannot handle the job of improving the product on the field .. someone will be brought in to do it ...
we all know that this franchise needs a major overhaul
P A T I E N C E - it was never getting fixed in a year or 2
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:14 pm
by riggofan
mastdark81 wrote:You hire the best qualified people for the job. Football isn't about who you feel comfortable drinking beer and going to the bar around. These guys seem to not have any friends outside of this football stuff.
I don't disagree, but that's a complete straw man argument. Nobody is saying Gruden should hire his drinking buddies. I'm saying there is nothing wrong with hiring a coach who you have worked with somewhere else. If you've seen a coach in action, you like his coaching style, think he's a smart guy, good motivator, whatever, there is absolutely nothing wrong with hiring that person. Isn't that a better evaluation than bringing somebody into your office and talking for a few hours?
mastdark81 wrote:It is about winning, that is all it is about. If I go 4-12 and on the hot seat the next year (don't think Gruden isn't), I'm getting the best guy I can get who have had a track record of success over an extended period of time.
That's just stupid and short sighted. This is how guys like Adam Gase become "hot" coordinators. His offense was 12-4 this year. Just ignore the fact that he had Peyton Manning at QB - he has a winning record! YAY! A winning record does not make you a good coach.
mastdark81 wrote:You think Gruden know how to identify good coaches? Well why is their changes this year in the coaching staff? His first selections wasn't ideal apparently.
Which coaches exactly that Gruden hired have been fired? Jim Haslett was here when he got here. And yeah, I do think that Gruden as a coach and former player is capable of identifying good coaches.
mastdark81 wrote:Lastly for the Redskins management to even consider Raheem Morris is really ridiculous. His unit under performed the entire time he has been here and yes the talent was bare, somewhat but we are the only team that you see with consistent break downs each game where guys are wiiiiiiiide open.
His unit didn't under perform. They performed exactly to the level of talent we fielded this year. Seriously, are there really people out there who think E.J. Biggers and an old Ryan Clark would have played better this year
if they'd only had a better coach than Raheem Morris? Give me a freaking break.
I agree with you though that there was no way Morris should have been considered for promotion. You can't really reward a guy after a year like that no matter what the circumstances. The Giants interviewed him for DC though, so clearly people believe he's a decent coach.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:18 pm
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:most think it's going to take a long time ... it's possible that we could be playoff contenders this season ...
realistically, the quickest time frame with the roster and staff we have is that we could be playoff contenders in 2017
we just need a little luck and for the guys in charge to be left alone by you know who ....
I think SJ is not actually a real person, but a bit of code generating posts from a very small set of possible sentences every X minutes.
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:54 pm
by DEHog
Well something that has to figure in when you hire a first time head coach is who can he bring with him, what coaches does he have connections with? Sorry but Gruden didn’t have a lot as evidence by how many assistants he retained. Now look at the DC selection, he had to reach for a position coach he worked with in the past or take a guy who was out of work. Why do you think Fox got Fangio and we didn’t…the spoils of hiring a first time head coach. If you think coaches don’t gravitate to who they know you’re crazy…the good ole boy network is alive and well in the NFL!!
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:22 pm
by oj
I wonder why they were in such a hurry? Seems to me qualified coaches will become available in the next few weeks, was Jay afraid this guy would be snapped up? Was Scott even involved?
Re: Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:45 pm
by tribeofjudah
LB coach Baker on his way out. He really helped Kerrigan, I think. But what he has taught will stick in Kerrigan's head....I'm sure.
A day after Joe Barry was announced as the Redskins’ new defensive coordinator, the team has reportedly parted ways with outside linebackers coach Brian Baker.
Baker spent one season with the Redskins and has now worked four teams since 2010. The Redskins’ decision not to retain Baker was reported by ESPN 980 on Wednesday.
Last month, linebacker Ryan Kerrigan, who was tapped as a Pro Bowl alternate, credited Baker with playing a key role in his breakout season. Kerrigan notched a career-high 13.5 sacks in 2014, up from a previous best of 8.5.
http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsbl ... rian-baker