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Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:35 pm
by SouthLondonRedskin
Yeah. I don't have experience with addiction, but this concept of a I can control my drinking absent abstaining is certainly different from what I believed was the typical method. I hope it isn't an issue for him, first, then for us, second.[/quote]
Interesting about the beer. There are definitely guys out there like that though who just can't handle hard liquor for whatever reason, but have no problem with beer.[/quote]Yeah, the vast majority of people with serious alcohol issues (drinking in the morning, drinking at work, etc) drink spirits (liquor) for a number of reasons, including the control they have over the strength of the drink and the ability to mix it and disguise it.
Scot's drinking problems in the past involved him drinking at work, hiding it from colleagues by lacing his soft drinks and sodas.
If Scot stays away from the hard stuff and sticks to beer then all will be fine. I only drink beer, and as a consequence am never tempted to drink when I'm not supposed too if you know what I mean!
Glad we gave him a chance, confident he will be good for us and will control his demons. Sweeping changes on the horizon over the next 12 months I reckon...
!
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:10 pm
by Redskin in Canada
Irn-Bru wrote:welch wrote:(In my imagination, Joe Gibbs watched the last game and told Snyder, "You need someone like Bobby Beathard to run the football operation".)
I want to believe this, too. Seeing him sitting next to Snyder as one of the worst Redskins' outings in years unfolded . . . it makes you wonder.
Not quite. Not in the suite in the Stadium. But both of you are not far.
Caution ... Caution ... Caution Redskins fans!
You are right in this thread. Most will not learn the terms of the contract or the REAL decision making structure embedded in the contract and, most importantly, enabled in practice. BUT all of us will be able to monitor the results.
A lot of good people have come ... to just fail and go.
This is a good hiring ONCE they go through the NFL rules. All of the skepticism is valid. The proof in in the pudding.
Do not give me a single name and ask me for an opinion. Show me the changes THROUGHOUT the entire organization and not for ONE season but as a new culture.
And NO! Definitely, the Skins will not win the next season. They are in rebuilding mode. Show me instead what the new people are made of.
For once, I admit in front of one and all. As a fan who has seen almost all the smoke and mirrors and witnessed the delivery of snake oil time and time again just to keep our attention, this development is worth following. No guarantee of success. Many, many questions remain to be answered which only time can tell. BUT I am interested and I had given up.
Not enough to bring me back, just enough to follow carefully over time. And yes, thank you Joe! Skins fans will probably never know fully how unselfish and loyal you are.
I love you man.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:32 pm
by Prowl33
I think what will totally buy me in is if over the next few weeks we hear about a lot of scouting and other staff firing and hirings... and they come with that same experience of success. Bring winners into the organization.... turn the organization into a winner.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:14 pm
by SkinsJock
as I indicated, I am both skeptical and hopeful - the proof will be not in the win/loss column but in the way this franchise handles the rebuilding - it will be obvious to many of us (over time) as to whether Snyder & Allen are still 'ruining' this franchise
this kid will hopefully help Snyder rebuild the franchise into a competitive product again that he (Snyder) thought he could 'buy'
it's going to take some time but I'm cautiously optimistic that Dan Snyder finally understands that what he's been doing year after year and making many here think it was possible that this could be a winning franchise without his stepping aside is NOT possible
it's not about the quality of the players or having a great coaching staff - that's BS
it's about building a NFL franchise with a winning culture and a winning attitude - Snyder does not have a clue how to do that
I'm hopeful Snyder has learned his lesson - I will be surprised if he does not try and get something out of this that he does not deserve
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:20 pm
by SkinsJock
Irn-Bru wrote:welch wrote: I imagined .. Joe Gibbs watched the last game and told Snyder, "You need someone like Bobby Beathard to run the football operation".
I want to believe this, too. Seeing him sitting next to Snyder as one of the worst Redskins' outings in years unfolded . . . it makes you wonder.
this could be just what this franchise needs and what a slap in the face of all those that thought it wasn't really Snyder's fault ...
all the best Scot and the very best of luck - you're going to need it
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:42 pm
by tribeofjudah
Hmmmm..... just read that Scot really liked Kirk Cousins during the draft but he liked Russell Wilson more.
So now, will Scot see that Cousins is the better QB than RG3...? Will he PUSH for the change...? The Plot thickens..!!!
http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsbl ... 2012-draft
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:47 pm
by tribeofjudah
Did we skirt the Rooney Rule on this? A complaint has been filed..... more DRAMA for D.C.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12134 ... le-gm-hire
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:57 am
by PulpExposure
In that article, it said the NFL already addressed and dismissed the complaint.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:59 am
by Prowl33
We just didnt notify the league about interviewing the jets personell guy. The league said we satisfied the Rooney rule, but they will send a reminder to all 32 teams that they need to be notified....
But maybe Mara can find some way to get us penalized a few draft picks or strip a few million from our salary cap.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:20 am
by Burgundy&Wha?
Prowl33 wrote:We just didnt notify the league about interviewing the jets personell guy. The league said we satisfied the Rooney rule, but they will send a reminder to all 32 teams that they need to be notified....
But maybe Mara can find some way to get us penalized a few draft picks or strip a few million from our salary cap.
With any luck, the Giants can hire Raheem Morris to run their defense and we can finally get payback from Mara for CapGate.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:30 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:it's not about the quality of the players or having a great coaching staff - that's BS
LMFAO. WHAT???? Its not about the quality of the players? So Scot McLoughan is going to be out there throwing TD passes to Scot McLoughan?
Give me a freaking break. I get the point SJ is trying inanely to make, but he writes nonsense like this mainly because RGIII still gives him the vapors.
We brought Scot McLoughan here because
WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE QUALITY OF THE PLAYERS.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:32 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:this could be just what this franchise needs and what a slap in the face of all those that thought it wasn't really Snyder's fault ...
There is literally no one who believes Dan Snyder isn't responsible for the mess this franchise is in. RGIII is still a terrible pocket passer.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:57 am
by Irn-Bru
The complaint was that the Redskins didn't notify all of the right people in time before interviewing minority candidates. Definitely not a "skirting" of the rule . . . although those interviews were pretty clearly pro forma, and while that violates the spirit of the rule it's pretty common when an NFL team already knows who they want.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:18 am
by DarthMonk
Mike Jones on January 7 at 10:01 AM wrote:● But if this gets done, then the Redskins would finally have a top-flight talent evaluator with a track record of success. McCloughan, the son of a former scout, broke into the league with the Green Bay Packers (after a brief Minor League Baseball career), working under successful executive Ron Wolf and coach Mike Holmgren. Then followed Holmgren to Seattle, rose in the ranks in San Francisco and continued his success in a return to Seattle. This is what you want: A guy who has been on the grind, who has sat at the feet of proven winners. Daniel Snyder described Bruce Allen as “the personification of a winner” when he introduced him five years ago. But Allen doesn’t have a track record like this. He hasn’t been in franchises with sustained success. Allen went to Tampa after the Bucs won the Super Bowl and things deteriorated. He has never thrived as a talent evaluator. McCloughan has helped two franchises win Super Bowls (Green Bay and Seattle), and he molded the 49ers into a contender.
● This is alarming: Since Bruce Allen came to town, the Redskins have drafted four (and maybe five) unquestionable building blocks: Left tackle Trent Williams, linebacker Ryan Kerrigan, running back Alfred Morris, cornerback Bashaud Breeland, and it appears linebacker Keenan Robinson, who after two injury-plagued years had a strong first season as a starter. Five pieces in five drafts, which have featured 42 selections? Only 22 of those players remained on the roster at year’s end.
● Meanwhile, McCloughan in four years as GM in San Francisco and an executive in Seattle drafted a total of 24 Pro Bowl players, and from 2005-14, he helped with the drafting of 41 Pro Bowl players, according to the NFL Players Association.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:25 am
by Redskin in Canada
Irn-Bru wrote:The complaint was that the Redskins didn't notify all of the right people in time before interviewing minority candidates. Definitely not a "skirting" of the rule . . . although those interviews were pretty clearly pro forma, and while that violates the spirit of the rule it's pretty common when an NFL team already knows who they want.
No, it was not illegal. It was just stupid not to follow proper and well known NFL rules.
This is just another PR setback to a team with a Preston Marshall in its history and a controversy based on its name.
Can we replace the President now?
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:38 am
by SkinsJock
Redskin in Canada wrote: ... Caution ... Caution ... Caution Redskins fans!
You are right in this thread. Most will not learn the terms of the contract or the REAL decision making structure embedded in the contract and, most importantly, enabled in practice. BUT all of us will be able to monitor the results.
A lot of good people have come ... to just fail and go.
This is a good hiring ONCE they go through the NFL rules. All of the skepticism is valid. The proof in in the pudding.
Do not give me a single name and ask me for an opinion. Show me the changes THROUGHOUT the entire organization and not for ONE season but as a new culture.
And NO! Definitely, the Skins will not win the next season. They are in rebuilding mode. Show me instead what the new people are made of.
For once, I admit in front of one and all. As a fan who has seen almost all the smoke and mirrors and witnessed the delivery of snake oil time and time again just to keep our attention, this development is worth following. No guarantee of success. Many, many questions remain to be answered which only time can tell. BUT I am interested and I had given up.
thanks RiC - good observation ...
I'm skeptical & hopeful that this slimy owner might finally be 'listening' & learning that he needs to let guys like Scot just do their jobs ...
hopefully Scot & the FO staff can add the players and coaches we need to make the other guys around them better and not treat this franchise like some fans would and just add the 'latest and greatest' and see what happens as Dumb & Dumber have done here for ever
this move bears careful scrutiny and in time we'll be able to see if Snyder learned his 'lesson' from the great one ...
thanks again & maybe we'll get to see your posts more often in the not too distant future .. we need knowledgeable posters
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:42 am
by tribeofjudah
riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:it's not about the quality of the players or having a great coaching staff - that's BS
LMFAO. WHAT???? Its not about the quality of the players? So Scot McLoughan is going to be out there throwing TD passes to Scot McLoughan?
Give me a freaking break. I get the point SJ is trying inanely to make, but he writes nonsense like this mainly because RGIII still gives him the vapors.
We brought Scot McLoughan here because
WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE QUALITY OF THE PLAYERS.
That's funny "still gives him the vapors"
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:57 am
by Deadskins
tribeofjudah wrote:riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:it's not about the quality of the players or having a great coaching staff - that's BS
LMFAO. WHAT???? Its not about the quality of the players? So Scot McLoughan is going to be out there throwing TD passes to Scot McLoughan?
Give me a freaking break. I get the point SJ is trying inanely to make, but he writes nonsense like this mainly because RGIII still gives him the vapors.
We brought Scot McLoughan here because
WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE QUALITY OF THE PLAYERS.
That's funny "still gives him the vapors"
Laws!
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:11 pm
by riggofan
Redskin in Canada wrote:And NO! Definitely, the Skins will not win the next season. They are in rebuilding mode. Show me instead what the new people are made of.
Definitely true. I worry a lot about the fans and media not being able to handle this, you know? This team has been rotting for years. Last year's mediocre off season moves didn't help much. No GM is going to come in here and fix the roster in six months. Do we go 4-12 again next year and people lose their freaking minds all over?
The team has refused to utter the words over the years, but why not just come out and say it? WE'RE REBUILDING. We'll do our best to win as many games as possible while we do. I just want to see some sanity this off season, and hopefully see that there is a plan in place.
Btw these bits from CSN/Tandler this morning struck me as interesting food for thought about McLoughan. It would be a real change around here if some of these things come to pass:
—Plan a free agency strategy. Among the many characterizations of McCloughan’s philosophy I’ve seen is that he takes to the Packers’ philosophy of building through the draft with minimal help via free agency. That could mean no free agency splashes and squirreling cap money away to re-sign the players who McCloughan thinks are worth keeping.
—Moving towards the draft. If they aren’t going to be active in free agency they will need to hit some home runs in the draft to will some of the holes that the team has. McCloughan will take the best available player so the players they pick might not line up with perceived needs. This is McCloughan’s area of expertise and where he really has the ability to make a difference on this team.
The comment about the draft is especially interesting. Will people howl if we don't take the glaring need (safety) at #5? Or are they going to trust the guy to do his thing?
"The Redskins got their man--now what? "
http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsbl ... n-now-what
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:12 pm
by riggofan
Deadskins wrote:Laws!
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:23 pm
by emoses14
tribeofjudah wrote:riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:it's not about the quality of the players or having a great coaching staff - that's BS
LMFAO. WHAT???? Its not about the quality of the players? So Scot McLoughan is going to be out there throwing TD passes to Scot McLoughan?
Give me a freaking break. I get the point SJ is trying inanely to make, but he writes nonsense like this mainly because RGIII still gives him the vapors.
We brought Scot McLoughan here because
WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE QUALITY OF THE PLAYERS.
That's funny "still gives him the vapors"
Baby please, you work for UPS.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:00 pm
by riggofan
emoses14 wrote:Baby please, you work for UPS.
Oh man, you didn't just go Biz Markie on me.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:28 pm
by Redskin in Canada
riggofan wrote:Definitely true. I worry a lot about the fans and media not being able to handle this, you know? This team has been rotting for years. Last year's mediocre off season moves didn't help much. No GM is going to come in here and fix the roster in six months. Do we go 4-12 again next year and people lose their freaking minds all over?
Not worried about the media. They can scream all they want.
Not TOO worried about the fans, like many of us, it will take time to regain our confidence with facts not announcements, hirings or promises. Fans will return if the product on the field improves. For good and bad, Redskins fans are some of the most loyal fans of any team in any sport in the entire World.
It is the owner all of us must worry about -AND- the fact that he has a very astute politician and very incompetent President next. Nobody concedes power freely. All can accept a reduction in power but just as as a necessary compromise. The President has already no qualms whatsoever to sacrifice a previous HC in order to gain power and influence. The decision making arrangement will be a critical point for the determination of success and internal stability in the front office. Not easy if you ask me.
It is the loyalty, determination and perseverance of the owner towards the GM you must be VERY concerned about. What if, indeed, we get another 3-13 or 4-12 season in 2015? Who goes and who stays? How deep are the changes among the front office or coaching staff then? and, most importantly, do you remain committed to a long term plan (whatever that means in the Not For Long league these days) ???
One more thing, MAY I REMIND YOU ALL that at this moment, there is NO OFFICIAL announcement yet? Good reasons for it, I hear.
Just sayn' Stay tuned.
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:26 pm
by SkinsJock
Redskin in Canada wrote: ... One more thing, MAY I REMIND YOU ALL that at this moment, there is NO OFFICIAL announcement yet? Good reasons for it, I hear.
Just sayin' ... Stay tuned.
I'm a little confused by this ... there are indeed a lot of 'reports' that his agent and the Redskins have agreed to terms ...
and yet - as you've pointed out, there has still not been an 'official announcement' ...
Re: Scot McCloughan named new GM
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:41 pm
by riggofan
Redskin in Canada wrote:It is the loyalty, determination and perseverance of the owner towards the GM you must be VERY concerned about. What if, indeed, we get another 3-13 or 4-12 season in 2015?
Yeah you're 100% correct - that's why I'm concerned about the fans and the media. It often seems to me when Snyder makes these moves like he is reacting to the fans' negativity or reacting to what is out there in the media rather than doing what is best for the team.
Its definitely concerning. We'll see what happens in the draft and free agency, but as things stand right now, I'm not sure anybody is looking at the team and thinking we're going to win more games next year than we did in 2014.