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I hope we end up getting the safety out of Alabama ...

in 2015, I hope Trent Williams is the only starting offensive lineman from that horrible offensive line we had here in 2013

there were a number of times that defensive players got to Griffin in under 3 seconds last Sunday - that is amazing

While stats can be misleading, they can be equally telling.

While Riggo asserts that our top ranked O is a reflection of a decent O line- im sure there is truth there

And Sj sees Alfred getting blown up in the backfield and all three of our qbs running for their life in a fraction of a second, deems the O line a weakness- which I think theres some truth there as well...

My point is this: ya our O is doing good at times, seems to be able to move the ball, and has that homerun spark every so often. Its equally a sad story seeing a star more yards the our boy AlMo- after being second only to AP since being drafted. Fact is our lince has a TON of room for improvement, and for most (qbs included) leaves a lot to be desired. These stats and numbers are, imho, more a reflection of the play makers we have on that side of the ball. Insert a book end RT and a guard or two and we can see the lid blow off this offense and be amazed by its true potential! I think this top ten O is scratching the surface.. if Griff had Ohno, Breezy, or GOATs protection its not unrealistic to be talking top 3 offensive juggernaut dropping mad points on even the good Ds.
We need help on both sides of the ball.. if we were running w more success we sustain drives and keep the D off the field and/or keep them fresh.

Im hopeful that Philip Thomas can stsrt contributing soon and we can grow our young dbs... young legs are even better then fresh legs lmao

Fact is we are not going to see a better product on the field until we have the players - we need to eliminate the missed assignments on defense and we need to have a better ground game - both of these items will result in better 3rd down percentage on offense and a higher percentage of stopping other teams on 3rd down defensively

this is not possible with the current roster

If we can I hope the first position player we take is that safety out of Alabama - we also need a RT and a NT

we're not far off but the issues with this team are not simply resolved by finding a new DC or on any one player ...

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This isn't going to happen until we promote Allen to President, and hire a player personnel GM. Nick Caserio, Eric DeCosta would be a good place to start the search. This has to be the next evolution of Snyders learning. He made a great first step with hiring Allen. Now take it to the next level. This is an organizational issue.

chiefhog44 wrote:^^^^^

This isn't going to happen until we promote Allen to President, and hire a player personnel GM. Nick Caserio, Eric DeCosta would be a good place to start the search. This has to be the next evolution of Snyders learning. He made a great first step with hiring Allen. Now take it to the next level. This is an organizational issue.

I'm buying.

I agree - Snyder has gotten out of the football stuff but for some reason the guys running things are not just doing football stuff

we need the FO guys just making football decisions not making PR and management decisions

LANDON COLLINS - #26 - S for Alabama would be a HUGE addition but I don't think we are picking that high ...

watch the ALABAMA at LSU game - THIS KID IS a future GREAT NFL player

he would be a Key to this franchise turning things around ...

I doubt we're that bad but he's worth a lot in the draft

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:While stats can be misleading, they can be equally telling.

While Riggo asserts that our top ranked O is a reflection of a decent O line- im sure there is truth there

How could there not be? Its ridiculous to have a top three passing offense and then claim our offensive line can't pass protect.

I don't really understand this 3 second thing that SJ is throwing around either. From what I've read, an NFL QB has about 3 seconds max to get rid of the football. Wouldn't it then make sense that most sacks occur when a defender gets to the QB in less time? I'm not sure its exactly a shocking stat.

The line can get better, but they're not terrible. I'd really like to see them get Spencer Long in at some point this season. Start getting these young guys some work!

Btw this is the guy I was hoping the Redskins would take in the 3d round when we took Moses and Long instead. Two offensive linemen who can't seem to get on the field.

Chris Borland Tallies 17 Tackles, Overtime Takeaway
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Chr ... 99e35d7d4b

That was a week after getting 18 tackles v. the Rams.

I don't want to hear anything about the offensive line (or the offense for that matter) for the next year. We need to get some playmakers on defense this off season. And if we can get a new stud DC, I'll happily wave buh bye to Haz too.

riggofan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:While stats can be misleading, they can be equally telling.

While Riggo asserts that our top ranked O is a reflection of a decent O line- im sure there is truth there

How could there not be? Its ridiculous to have a top three passing offense and then claim our offensive line can't pass protect.

I don't really understand this 3 second thing that SJ is throwing around either. From what I've read, an NFL QB has about 3 seconds max to get rid of the football. Wouldn't it then make sense that most sacks occur when a defender gets to the QB in less time? I'm not sure its exactly a shocking stat.

The line can get better, but they're not terrible. I'd really like to see them get Spencer Long in at some point this season. Start getting these young guys some work!

it's a fact that the offensive stats indicate that this offense is a top offense in the NFL

I just do not understand how a top offense in the NFL:

has difficulty protecting the QB

has difficulty getting any ground game going

is one of the worst offenses on 3rd down

riggofan is exactly right as usual in pointing to how the offensive line is not a bad line ...

BUT ... how in the world is this not so bad offensive line not helping the offense score a bunch of points

if it's not the offensive line, then what is the explanation

I'm totally in favor of finding some great players to help out the defense ...

AND we need to replace 4 starters on the O line - not that these guys are bad ...

the ONLY thing they are good at are making some fans think they are worth anything because they're a top ranked NFL offense

btw - just so that riggofan can understand - when a QB has less than 3 seconds (2. and a D lineman is in his face - THAT IS NOT GOOD

this is really simple - just count the time that some of these QBs have without having a guy within a few feet ..

this line is unbelievably bad at pass blocking ...

fortunately, it's not totally bad ... just the LG, C, RG & RT - apart from that, we have no issues

C00ley has been saying all year long that the o-line has looked ok to good in just about every game. He places blame on Morris not cutting and taking what the line gives him for the lack of his 100 yard games this year. He blames the QB for holding the ball too long for the resulting number of sacks. His assessment of the o-line isn't even close to what people on here are saying. They aren't horrible. IMO, this is just a way for people who hope the reason Griffin is struggling in certain areas is solely on the o-line.

SkinsJock wrote:btw - just so that riggofan can understand - when a QB has less than 3 seconds (2. and a D lineman is in his face - THAT IS NOT GOOD

Yeah I understand that, man. I just read the comment, and I don't think the two seconds thing was something special or something specific to OUR offensive line. A QB typically has three seconds to get the ball out of his hands in the NFL. If a defender gets to the QB in less than three seconds, that probably means he is getting sacked. There were over 70 sacks in games in week 10 while we were on a BYE so I'm assuming this happens occasionally to every team and every offensive line.

SkinsJock wrote:it's a fact that the offensive stats indicate that this offense is a top offense in the NFL

I just do not understand how a top offense in the NFL:

has difficulty protecting the QB

has difficulty getting any ground game going

is one of the worst offenses on 3rd down

riggofan is exactly right as usual in pointing to how the offensive line is not a bad line ...

BUT ... how in the world is this not so bad offensive line not helping the offense score a bunch of points

if it's not the offensive line, then what is the explanation

I'm totally in favor of finding some great players to help out the defense ...

AND we need to replace 4 starters on the O line - not that these guys are bad ...

the ONLY thing they are good at are making some fans think they are worth anything because they're a top ranked NFL offense

lol. Oooooohkay.

My favorite thing in this post is that you're unwilling to give the offensive line any credit for the yardage the offense has generated this year. But you're blaming them for our poor third down conversions.

Anyway, my point here is not to convince you that offensive line is GOOD. They can definitely be improved, and I agree they have to share some blame for the running game. My only point is to say that people blaming them every time we lose a game is just mindless (and saying they can't protect the QB is just flat out bull****. You can't be a league leader in passing yardage without protecting your QB, sorry.). We have an "ok" offensive line which has been good enough to win most of the games we've played. Our losses have come mainly from a terrible defense.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:it's a fact that the offensive stats indicate that this offense is a top offense in the NFL

I just do not understand how a top offense in the NFL:

has difficulty protecting the QB

has difficulty getting any ground game going

is one of the worst offenses on 3rd down

riggofan is exactly right as usual in pointing to how the offensive line is not a bad line ...

BUT ... how in the world is this not so bad offensive line not helping the offense score a bunch of points

if it's not the offensive line, then what is the explanation

I'm totally in favor of finding some great players to help out the defense ...

AND we need to replace 4 starters on the O line - not that these guys are bad ...

the ONLY thing they are good at are making some fans think they are worth anything because they're a top ranked NFL offense

lol. Oooooohkay.

My favorite thing in this post is that you're unwilling to give the offensive line any credit for the yardage the offense has generated this year. But you're blaming them for our poor third down conversions.

I wouldn't try to make an attempt in trying to force him into rationalizing his statements..... it's a fruitless endeavor.

It's easier to blame the 0-line than RGIII for some reason.

rf - I'll admit, I'm over-reacting to not having an O line that is able to help the offense at all and I've been on this since last season ...

I'm just old fashioned in wanting to have decent linemen - FACT - WE DO NOT HAVE GOOD OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE LINEMEN

I don't care that the offensive stats point to an offense that is in the top 10 - we are a 3 win team because we are not getting good play from our linemen on both offense and defense - NOT because we're not playing well - WE DON"T HAVE DECENT LINEMEN

it's that simple with me - I want every starter not named Trent Williams to not be playing here in 2015

good defense and good offense begins with having linemen that can do their jobs - btw - cannot wait to get Cofield back this week



I'm tired of seeing our O line let our offense down AND I'm tired of seeing our defense not stop opposing offenses on 3rd down

We actually have a plethora of guys that can get open this year, and that can cover up for some sketchy O-line play. Nobody can tell me that Tyler Polumbus isn't one of the worst pass blockers on Earth. The interior pass blocking has been better, but it literally couldn't have gotten worse. Now the run blocking is crap.

Statistically we aren't horrible, and had a few games gone a little differently, it would be a different ball game. But that's the NFL.

Repeating myself: Joe Gibbs showed us that skill-players do not make a team into a winner. Need an OL that can flatten a defense, and a DL that can flatten an offense. They are the engine of the team. Even to compete they need an OL that can hold without getting caught (the '70s OL) and a great DL.

I'm hoping for a win this week, but the Redskins have built their three-win season the old-fashioned way. They earned it.

SkinsJock wrote:we are a 3 win team because we are not getting good play from our linemen on both offense and defense - NOT because we're not playing well - WE DON"T HAVE DECENT LINEMEN

We're a three win team because our defense has allowed the second most points in the league over the past two seasons. But feel free to blame Kory Lichtensteiger. lol. Writing the word fact in capital letters does not make it so.

And seriously WTF does this statement mean??? "we are not getting good play from our linemen on both offense and defense - NOT because we're not playing well".

We're playing well but we're losing because our linemen are not playing well? Aside from how nonsensical this is, are you seriously giving the safeties a pass? And who exactly is the "we" who you claim are playing well? Kai Forbath and DeSean Jackson?

The Redskins offensive stats are skewed by some incredibly good play by a few skill players and are certainly NOT due to the O line - the pass blocking and run blocking are horrible

The defense is lacking in the middle of the D line and is really hurt by bad secondary play

simply put - the Redskins major needs are at safety, RT, RG, LG, and DT

SkinsJock wrote:The Redskins offensive stats are skewed by some incredibly good play by a few skill players and are certainly NOT due to the O line - the pass blocking and run blocking are horrible

Right. I suppose DeSean Jackson blocked for himself while he was getting open 70 yards down the field. Retaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahded.

Next year. Wait until next year, and hope the Redskins ignore any demands for "a franchise QB" etc etc. Just get some guys who remind people of Sir Charles Mann and Dave Butz; a center an OG, and an OT.

Then we won't argue about how to turn the season around. It will have turned by August 1. If the nats are leading the NL East on September 15 and the Redskins have won a couple of solid games, I will...note...give CT a genuine Mickey Grasso baseball card. Explanation? Grasso was a part-time catcher for the Nats when we were kids way back when Providence Hospital had just been built and the District still had streetcars.

DeSean Jackson has made some incredible plays, despite some terrible pass blocking

this thread is about turning the season around and that (like most years here) will likely happen next season when we get better play from our O line and the middle of the D line not to mention the secondary

looking forward to next season .... teams with decent lines do better

Speaking of the lines:

Offense:

We are Excellent at LT. We are Good at LG. We are Very Good at C. We are Mediocre at RG. We are Mediocre at RT.

A new RT is mandatory and a new RG would help as well. If we can only get one, let it be the RT.


Defense:

Many of our guys would be Very Good as DEs in a rotation that keeps them fresh. Cofield is a Very Good NT IN ROTATION. A TRUE NOSE TACKLE would have a huge impact all across the defensive line and, in turn, the rest of the defense.

BTW - Perry Riley sucks.


Wish list in order:

NT, RT, RG, ILB


PS - Orakpo has to go.

PPS - Bruce Allen should hire a drafter/personnel guy.