Redskins at Cardinals game thread

[ACW]

Man, even if that PI on Breeland was bogus, we STILL had a chance to force a punt on 3rd and 10, but couldn't stop them. And that non-fumble by Roberts only resulted in 3. So yeah, there were bad calls, but we beat ourselves. AGAIN. Oh, and you're welcome Dallas for softening up Seattle

[Deadskins]

We should have asked for a replay on their first scoring drive. He was obviously short on that third down play. Much more so than Reed was on that bad angle, "six inches short," BS. Also should have not onside kicked at the end.

[DarthMonk]

And we're not talking tipped balls, balls that come out like lame ducks while he's being hit, or balls forced into double and triple coverage. These are picks that make you scratch your head and wonder "Who the H-E-double toothpicks was he throwing that to?" Over and over and over. It really is funny that a starting professional player can be that inept when the game is on the line but serviceable otherwise.

Oh, all that correctable stuff.

You missed the point as badly as Cousins misses receivers in the 4th quarter, LOL. I meant that his late-game picks are essentially "unforced errors" and not the result of great defensive plays or desperation on offense.

Not really. I was sort of quoting some posts by other people with my sarcastic "Oh, all that correctable stuff."

[DarthMonk]

I actually have a lot more peace in heart just being honest about this team.

Yo tambien.

[ACW]

At least 3 of my fantasy teams won (in the 4th I was unlucky enough to face Flacco this week).
Regarding Dallas, they spent like 3 of their 4 1st-rounders on O-linemen, but I'm not even annoyed at the price we paid for RGIII. Yes, it was a lot, but he was doing well before his injury, and in the league today you need at least a competent QB, and we didn't even have that.

[masterkwon]

The 80's were a blessing and a curse. While it's very fortunate to have collected trophies during that time, the expectations that have come with every season since then, especially since Tiny took charge, are ridiculously unrealistic. Last week alone there was talk of a "turnaround", "Super Bowl campaign" and "making a run".

Moved the ball good and had a chance to win yesterday. What more could they have asked for on a short week with cross country travel against a division leader? It affected the champs too, losing at home to Dallas...and they rarely lose at home!

[markshark84]

Moved the ball good and had a chance to win yesterday. What more could they have asked for on a short week with cross country travel against a division leader? It affected the champs too, losing at home to Dallas...and they rarely lose at home!

I think that is a good point. I would typically reply with a "good teams overcome adversity" type post --- but the fact SEA wasn't able to do it sort of refutes that.

The chips were stacked against us, that is for sure.

[OldSchool]

A very disappointing loss. The rushing game is nonexistent. I know Arizona has a good rush defense as did Seattle and the Giants but the Redskin rushing attack is putrid. Morris isn't very effective behind this line and I wonder if the OL and Morris need the read option play to even turn respectable numbers. As it is Cousins is forced to try to carry the team and he's not good enough at the present time to do that now. However gifted I think he is long term he's being asked to carry a bad football team and he can't and they are asking too much of him. Kirk is 3rd place in average in yards per game passing and considering he's played Seattle and Arizona among the others that is way to many passing attempts for a QB with just a handful of starts and he imploded again.

Cousins needs to stop letting himself get disparate when his team is behind or over matched, he needs to stay within himself and lose gracefully when needed like against Seattle. He kept his composure in the Seattle game but lost it down the stretch yesterday. He needs to understand that losing under control doesn't hurt the team or his career but getting frantic and throwing picks removes any chance of winning and damages his credibility. Griffin can't stop himself from trying to be heroic running with the ball and Kirk hasn't learned to stop himself throwing the ball. This 4th quarter and the second half against the Giants are killers to his prospect of earning a starter spot in Washington or elsewhere, somehow Cousins has to have a never again moment and firmly resolve to not to overextend himself again.

Back to the team. The Skins are paying the price for misspent draft choices there just isn't enough talent on the roster to field a balanced team. Imagine how much better this team would be if the McNair 2nd round and 3 of the Griffin high picks were on the roster. Maybe the Skins would have a couple of stronger linemen and a couple of better defensive backs, what an improvement 4 good starters could make in those roles.

I think the already slim playoff chances are exhausted now and the team should concentrate on learning how to play smart and build some winning habits and get some wins.

[EA7649]

Cousins needs to stop letting himself get disparate when his team is behind or over matched, he needs to stay within himself and lose gracefully when needed like against Seattle.

Lose gracefully? REALLY! If he gets a shot to play in a close game in the 4th quarter again he just can't force throws and not let the pressure get the best of him. That was a winnable game! The pick 6, when he pretty much threw to an "open" Cardinals player was pathetic lol. Calm down and go back to the basics. He has not proven he can do that recently. The times in 2012 where he came back in close games it was a for a few plays. Have to be accurate all 4 quarters, some people can't play in the big leagues. If you can't play all 4 quarters or especially a good 4th quarter, quarterback when the game is close his stats become mute.

But yes, there are other wholes that the team needs to address. Sorry #1 Kirk fan, but I think his professional days of a starter are numbered.

[Kilmer72]

I know this is hard to believe for some of you. When you have a guy like Robert in the draft and you haven't had a franchise QB in like forever, you tend to reach a little. I don't blame them. I do blame them for not loading up on both lines and having people ready to come in when there is an injury. I also understand the circumstances.

[ACW]

I know this is hard to believe for some of you. When you have a guy like Robert in the draft and you haven't had a franchise QB in like forever, you tend to reach a little. I don't blame them. I do blame them for not loading up on both lines and having people ready to come in when there is an injury. I also understand the circumstances.

Exactly. Like I said earlier, to win in this league you need-at WORST-a competent QB, and we didn't even have that. Let's look at the other QBs taken after RGIII:
*Tannehill: He's decent enough in Miami, but may not be the answer.
*Weeden: Don't even know WHERE he is now (edit: Romo's backup).
*Osweiler: Backing up Peyton.
*Wilson: Competent enough, but that team won by pounding with Lynch and the D
*Foles: Doing well in PHI, but may be a system thing.
*Cousins:
There was another QB taken (Ryan Lindley FWIW; currently on SD's practice squad).

[OldSchool]

It was stupid to spend 3 first 1 second round choices on 1 player. The Skins would have been much better off with any of the other QBs if they had succeeded in picking quality starters with the other 3 picks. Given their history going 3 for 3 is a stretch but a good franchise would have picked 3 starters with 2 first and 1 second round picks over 3 years.

[EA7649]

It was stupid to spend 3 first 1 second round choices on 1 player. The Skins would have been much better off with any of the other QBs if they had succeeded in picking quality starters with the other 3 picks. Given their history going 3 for 3 is a stretch but a good franchise would have picked 3 starters with 2 first and 1 second round picks over 3 years.

I understand your point of view. But I have a question for you. The team hasn't had a franchise qb in decades and at the #6 pick there wasn't projected to be a franchise qb available. Would you have been happier to take an aggressive chance to finally get your franchise qb or do the same old thing and have Rex or Beck be the starter. If that doesn't work out pick up an old expired qb like McNabb.

Sometimes in order to be a winner you have to be aggressive and don't do the same old thing. If a projected once in a decade qb is available you do what you can to get him.

[EA7649]

Plus you can't guarantee the picks would have been good players, I thought I mentioned that yesterday about picks are better than Robert.

[silencer]

I made this from our local news follow-up the next day



More from my local Arizona news after the Redskins game from my DVR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFQ-...5nPMCo4G_6Z3Bw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t3OYQv ... Bw&index=2

Was a great game! Luckily anti redskin name protestors were outnumbered by pro Redskins supporters.

Go Cardinals! And Redskins! Both good teams but my Cardinals are really good this year.

[masterkwon]

Tiny invites two Indians to sit with him in the owner's box and slaps a Redskins hat on both of their heads to prove the team name is not racist.

Issue resolved! LOL!

[SkinsJock]

Tiny invites two Indians to sit with him in the owner's box and slaps a Redskins hat on both of their heads to prove the team name is not racist.

Issue resolved! LOL!

like the man suggests - If you're Native American, don't use the white man's dictionary - go ask your elders, they will tell you it's not a slur

[riggofan]

like the man suggests - If you're Native American, don't use the white man's dictionary - go ask your elders, they will tell you it's not a slur

wtf does that even mean? lol.

Seriously I wish Snyder would quit trotting out his "Native American Friend" to prove he's down with the natives and the natives are cool with him. He's freaking embarrassing, and there always ends up being some issue with these people he finds. For example, its not a great sign that the "President of Navajo Nation" was just voted out of office by the other Navajos. Not sure that lends a lot of credence to the idea that this guy is speaking for all of his fellow Navajos. hah.

If people really want to keep the Redskins name, the best thing that could happen would be for Dan Snyder to stay as far out of the debate as possible.

[Deadskins]

Tiny invites two Indians to sit with him in the owner's box and slaps a Redskins hat on both of their heads to prove the team name is not racist.

Issue resolved! LOL!

like the man suggests - If you're Native American, don't use the white man's dictionary - go ask your elders, they will tell you it's not a slur

That post is a perfect example of why masterkwon is on my ignore list. Those were not just any Indians. It was the President of the Navajo Nation and his wife. And if you had clicked on the link you would have seen the news reports showing hundreds of Indian counter-protesters supporting the name.

[Deadskins]

like the man suggests - If you're Native American, don't use the white man's dictionary - go ask your elders, they will tell you it's not a slur

wtf does that even mean? lol.

You obviously didn't watch the video. What it means is that, as one of the Indian counter-protesters said, Indians shouldn't take it from white people that "Redskins" is a slur. They should ask their tribal elders about it and get a true understanding of the word.

[Deadskins]

Yet more, from Indians (not "trotted out" by The Danny) with less "issues:"

Further away from Indian Country and closer to Redskins Country, Patowomeck tribe chief Robert Green told the Richmond Times Dispatch last year, “About 98 percent of my tribe is Redskins fans, and it doesn’t offend them, either.” Kevin Brown, Pamunkey chief, told the paper: "I like the uniforms. I like the symbol."

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Spor ... dskins-Box

[SkinsJock]

^^^ - OK - thanks, that about covers it ...

[riggofan]

You guys are welcome to defend Dan Snyder all you want. He's been a freaking buffoon trotting out his "Native American friend" like he's making some point. He's not doing fans any favors.

First there was Chief Dodson:
http://deadspin.com/redskins-indian-chi ... -590973565
"Redskins' Indian-Chief Defender: Not A Chief, Probably Not Indian"

Now there's Mark One Wolf Yancey:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... an-indian/
"Report: Indian booster for Washington Redskins is not an Indian"

Snyder is the last guy, the LEAST sympathetic imbecile that fans need representing them on this issue.

Its too bad they don't hire Joe Gibbs to represent the team. Gibbs is the kind of guy who could defend the team without being a douche about it and show some legitimate empathy and understanding for people who don't share his views.

[riggofan]

like the man suggests - If you're Native American, don't use the white man's dictionary - go ask your elders, they will tell you it's not a slur

wtf does that even mean? lol.

You obviously didn't watch the video. What it means is that, as one of the Indian counter-protesters said, Indians shouldn't take it from white people that "Redskins" is a slur. They should ask their tribal elders about it and get a true understanding of the word.

Ah ok. I get it. Seems like a really good point.

[SkinsJock]

I TOTALLY agree that Dan Snyder should stay away from this - he's made it worse ...

at the same time - there are a lot of people that are in favor of changing the name that are making Snyder look good by comparison

Snyder is an idiot but many of these anti name idiots should be put on medication