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FLWSkin wrote:Well it is indeed a fact that cousins played against second and third stringers in the preseason. So he can play well against starters for large parts of a game. Great. I'll get excited when he wins more than one game as a starter and learns how to finish. Until then, he's JAG.
SkinsJock wrote:WOW - missed the game and had to watch on replay ...
it's now 8pm - I am very pleased - we are looking like a team again
disappointing result but the team showed a lot - Cousins played well and the defense held up against a really good offense
hated to lose but loved seeing the progress this team has made
Cousins is OK - we'll be fine with him at QB until Griffin can get back
Countertrey wrote:FLWSkin wrote:Well it is indeed a fact that cousins played against second and third stringers in the preseason. So he can play well against starters for large parts of a game. Great. I'll get excited when he wins more than one game as a starter and learns how to finish. Until then, he's JAG.
This is just weak. Cousins is CLEARLY playing a superior game, with mastery of Gruden's game. He will only get better.
SkinsJock wrote:I don't know how long it will take or what the circumstances are going to be - I agree it's going to take time for Griffin to show that he's the better option at QB - however, he will do that - Cousins also knows this and he needs to make the most of his time on the field
see? simple really
FLWSkin wrote:I really don't need you to tell me how I think. But if is a fact that Cousins played against 2nd and 3rd stringers in the preseason. It is a fact that in most of his starts, he has come out strong and fades at the end when defenses adjust to him. It is a fact that he is 1-4 as a starter. It's funny how you say I'm looking through RGIII colored glasses (which I'm not, I don't care who starts as long as they win) when your Captain Kirk glasses are so far in to overdrive it's not even funny. But hey, keep on thinking you are smart just because you think you are sooo cool going against the grain. Sorry, that doesn't impress me and neither do your 3rd grade arguments and attempt at debate.
emoses14 wrote:Did Kirk Cousins and the Redskins win the superbowl on Sunday and I missed it? Did they win the NFC East? How about the game?
I'll wait.
No?
So why are some on THIS board acting as if he's Joe Montana?
I'll wait.
Countertrey wrote:FLWSkin wrote:Well it is indeed a fact that cousins played against second and third stringers in the preseason. So he can play well against starters for large parts of a game. Great. I'll get excited when he wins more than one game as a starter and learns how to finish. Until then, he's JAG.
This is just weak. Cousins is CLEARLY playing a superior game, with mastery of Gruden's game. He will only get better.
FLWSkin wrote:Countertrey wrote:FLWSkin wrote:Well it is indeed a fact that cousins played against second and third stringers in the preseason. So he can play well against starters for large parts of a game. Great. I'll get excited when he wins more than one game as a starter and learns how to finish. Until then, he's JAG.
This is just weak. Cousins is CLEARLY playing a superior game, with mastery of Gruden's game. He will only get better.
You can't state it as a fact that he will get better. You ASSUME he will but you don't know that. And since the anit-RGIII people spout everyday that it is impossible for RGIII to get any better, I will not let people get away with just saying "oh we know Kirk will get better" when you have no way of knowing that. You can't have it both ways.
FLWSkin wrote:Just because you are on the staff of the board doesn't mean you are immune from criticism. I'm sorry, you cannot state that you KNOW Kirk will get better. You have no way of knowing that. For all you know, what you are seeing out of him right now is as good as he will get. I have stated in several post that I don't care who the QB is. So get over your own bad self.
markshark84 wrote:staff tend to gang up on non-staff posters
FLWSkin wrote:It would be helpful if you learned how to read. I state I don't care who is QB. You're the one toting a line and ignoring facts. The fact is you say RGIII has accomplished nothing, but refuse to admit that neither has Kirk. You are a moron, so I am out. Good day.
markshark84 wrote:FLWSkin wrote:Just because you are on the staff of the board doesn't mean you are immune from criticism. I'm sorry, you cannot state that you KNOW Kirk will get better. You have no way of knowing that. For all you know, what you are seeing out of him right now is as good as he will get. I have stated in several post that I don't care who the QB is. So get over your own bad self.
FLW --- I tend to step in when non-staff argue with staff because staff tend to gang up on non-staff posters, but Countertrey never said Cousins getting better was a fact. I read it as him believing he'll only get better. No one on earth knows with certainty that any particular player will or will not improve. He also is not anti-RGIII.
That being said, how much better can Cousins get --- judging based on the last 2 games???? He is top 5 in the league based on the past 2 weeks.
Deadskins wrote:markshark84 wrote:staff tend to gang up on non-staff posters
grampi wrote:SkinsJock wrote:I don't know how long it will take or what the circumstances are going to be - I agree it's going to take time for Griffin to show that he's the better option at QB - however, he will do that - Cousins also knows this and he needs to make the most of his time on the field
see? simple really
I don't know why you're so convinced that RG3 is the better QB ... he clearly hasn't been since his knee injury...and when was the last time RG3 threw for 427 yards in a game?
markshark84 wrote:emoses14 wrote:Did Kirk Cousins and the Redskins win the superbowl on Sunday and I missed it? Did they win the NFC East? How about the game?
I'll wait.
No?
So why are some on THIS board acting as if he's Joe Montana?
I'll wait.
I agree with this. I takes much more than 2 games to determine a player's ability. Granted, we have seen Cousins play well (and poorly) in the past --- but this is also the first time we have seen him play in Gruden's offense. It's hard not to be excited over what Cousins has done.
In the past 2 games, Cousins has put up VERY good numbers. Over those 2 weeks, his performance has arguably been in the top 5 in the entire NFL and is #4 in the NFL in QBR this season. Now, is that because he played 2 of the worst defenses in the NFL or is it because he is a perfect fit for Gruden's offense? Only time will tell.
At this point, I would say it's unfair to not give Cousins credit where it is due. And it would also be unreasonable to say that if he continues putting up these numbers and centerpiecing an offense that is averaging an INCREDIBLE 37.5 ppg --- Gruden will most likely keep Cousins as the starter for at least the remainder of the season before opening it up to a competition over the summer. Players have and will continue to lose their positions to injury in the NFL. That is one of the reasons players don't want to be taken out; the talent pool is deep.
I also think it is reasonable to question whether Cousins can continue at this pace. He has played 2 of the worst DEFs in the NFL. We will get a better idea of what he is fully capable of in this offense on Oct. 6th.
This all being said, if Cousins' #s dip (which is almost certain to happen as most QBs can't keep up this pace), he has to understand this is RGIII's team. RGIII is a dynamic, incredibly talented, good leader, smart, and hard working QB. He is the franchise QB. It will take a lot to bench him without at least some sort of competition for the position..... but if Cousins continues to average 350 yards and 2.5 TDs a game passing, Gruden will have a very difficult decision on his hands.
FLWSkin wrote:Just because you are on the staff of the board doesn't mean you are immune from criticism. I'm sorry, you cannot state that you KNOW Kirk will get better. You have no way of knowing that. For all you know, what you are seeing out of him right now is as good as he will get. I have stated in several post that I don't care who the QB is. So get over your own bad self.
SkinsJock wrote:grampi wrote:SkinsJock wrote:I don't know how long it will take or what the circumstances are going to be - I agree it's going to take time for Griffin to show that he's the better option at QB - however, he will do that - Cousins also knows this and he needs to make the most of his time on the field
see? simple really
I don't know why you're so convinced that RG3 is the better QB ... he clearly hasn't been since his knee injury...and when was the last time RG3 threw for 427 yards in a game?
Let me be clear - you are so sloooow at seeing things and you have selective memory ...
Cousins is CLEARLY the BETTER QB AT THIS TIME
Griffin needs time to become as good as Cousins - he is CLEARLY NOT AS GOOD AT RUNNING THIS STYLE OF OFFENSE
Griffin has the talent, ability and drive to become a great QB - IT WILL TAKE TIME
Cousins will be a very good QB - I doubt that he becomes a great QB
Countertrey wrote: ... Apparently, there is some bizarre rule around here that reason is no longer permitted, that it is not possible to like and cheer for two quarterbacks who happen to have different sets of effective talents.
DarthMonk wrote:The offense was clearly very good to excellent. Cousins makes quick decisions. That is his strength. Sometimes he's actually too quick and puts it on a guy's hands AS THE GUY IS TURNING before he can be ready but that was the exception, not the rule. There was a throw where he seemed to have already considered a possible blitzer coming free. When Kirk turned the blitzer was free and in his face but Kirk already knew where he was gonna go with it and did. I saw Griff do that too - as a rookie - but not lately - except early against J-ville.
For all the things Kirk does well he can still be pretty inaccurate at times. He sailed a few that could've easiy been picked and missed Garcon by a mile from close range on the last play. I couldn't tell if Garcon should've hooked up instead of cutting in or if Kirk missed him but I later heard Gruden say Garcon ran a perfect route, was wide open, and Kirk just threw a bad one.
Kirk gets an A- and so does the offense.
The defense was pretty darn good - especially in the 2nd half. There were FGs and punts. How many times did we stop them on 3rd down but get flagged. The terrible one was a PI call on a linebacker on a deep ball. I guess they called face guarding but he was too far away and couldn't reach high enough to block the guys view. All he did was tackle him after the ball got there. Game changer.
I can live with Baker getting flagged - barely - but the ejection was overly harsh.
I give the defense an A- too. We made Foles beat us and he did - kinda.
The specials were horrendous. If we are keeping Kai cuz he's clutch (and he doesn’t even kick off) then the bitch has to be clutch. We actually could've considered a 59 yarder at the end with Hocker. Also, there is no return for a TD with Hocker. I'm actually pissed.
I give specials an F-.
With merely adequate specials we are 2-1 and maybe 3-0. WE MUST FIX SPECIALS. In spite of our injuries, we will field a good team Thursday.
One final thought - we outplayed the Eagle at the line of scrimmage. Too frickin' bad we found a way to lose.
emoses14 wrote:Didn't Baker get flagged for the fight, not the hit on Foles? I think the flag came during the fight/when he grabbed Peters' face mask after Peters got rowdy and then ejected for that.
The Washington Post wrote:... officials called a penalty on Baker for the hit during the game ...
DarthMonk wrote:I think the EJECTION was for the "fight."
