Deadskins wrote:markshark84 wrote:I was only wrong once and that was an off-subject issue with Ray. I have been correct on ALL other accounts (unless you could last week's game for RGIII's leaving with injury count --- then it's 5 and not 4). I can't force you to take off your homer-goggles. NOTHING in your posts were factually based. Here are all the "facts" you have provided thus far:
1. he (RGIII) has missed only 1 start due to injury
2. RGIII played 13 games in 2013
3. He (Cousins) has appeared in 8 games for the Redskins -- has nothing to do with RGIII and his injuries, but I don't have many actual facts to list. But as on 9/17/14 (the date of your post) that fact is WRONG. Counsins has played in 9 games.
That's it. Literally. That is all the support you have given me. 1 incomplete stat, 1 stat that's irrelevant in that we are discussing the games he didn't play; not the ones we did; and a stat that is wrong.
Then there are your highlighted gems that I wrote where you "prove me wrong" with your great statistical support.......:
- no one on earth can deny RGIII is injury prone --- YOUR RESPONSE: "No, Robert wasn't hurt in 2013." -- you missed my point completely. did i say anything about 2013 in that statement? 1 season means very little if he gets hurt in all the others.
- I'd love to hear your thoughts on what caused his performance drop in 2013. He may not have sustained an injury in 2013, but there is no denying he was "hurt". --- your response is just an excuse laden piece that is wrong. it actually made me think back to Campbell (hence the reference) when he was given every excuse: new OCs, OL, WRs, Defense, HC, literally everything was used. Listen, if you want to keep your blindfold on and stay in denial, that is on you.
- facts are facts -- which is what I give you. you have answered with opinions and WRONG facts on why my correct facts are wrong.......
- then you proceed to say he has "only" missed one game due to injury --- I tried to at least get something beneficial by showing that "only missing one" game is an inadequate response and an answer that doesn't TRULY provide a clear picture of RGIII's injury history. The "1 game" statement was merely spin on your part in an attempt to keep those homer goggles on.
- what about the other 4 he has had to leave due to injury? - again that was rhetorical; I would say you understand this by now, but who knows.
- the ENTIRE season we had to endure in order for him to be rehabilitated? -- YOUR RESPONSE: "Third, it's obvious that you hold last year's record against RGIII, but that is not only incorrect in that he only played 13 of the games (and was the QB for the only wins of the season), but the defense and STs also played a major role in the outcome" --- what should I reply? I try not to get personally offensive on the board, but come on. Yes, I hold RGIII's record against him --- HE PLAYED IN THE GAMES. And you argue like RGIII going 3-10 as a starter is a good thing..... Then you blame it on D and ST. MORE JC-LIKE EXCUSES. And I NEVER even discussed record. I LITERALLY ONLY talked about "RGIII's PERFORMANCE". Why did you go into record? You don't listen to what I'm saying. There was a difference in pure offense between those 2 years. Our offense (with RGIII) averaged 21 ppg in 2013 and 30 in 2012...... or is this "twisting facts".....
- we would barely have any idea what Cousins could do at the QB position.... -- YOUR RESPONSE: "we DO barely have any idea what Cousins can do at QB" --- am I supposed to take your opinion on this? Based on this exchange, I'll pass. We know what Counsins can do, his strengths, limitations, offense he is comfortable in, etc. Did we "know" what guys like Rodgers were capable of entering 2008? No. That was the point you missed.
I hope you can read this and clear things up, but I realize it takes a lot to actually get thru to you.
Like I said, you can believe what you want. I'm a HUGE skins fan, but I'm not a disillusioned one. I call them like I see them. To say RGIII isn't prone to injuries AT THIS POINT in his career, based on the past 3 years, is wrong. He's been hurt WAY too much to think otherwise --- and the only way to think otherwise is if you are a disillusioned, blinders-on, fan --- and I get that. I think we need fans like that; I'm just not one of them.
Blah, blah, blah. That's rehashing the exact same mistakes you made in each other post. You keep incorrectly quote me as saying RGIII missed only one game, when what I actually said was he missed one START. This was one point I highlighted, and have now corrected you on three times. Do you understand the difference? Then, in your "highlighted gems" rant, you proceed to put my responses with the wrong items. Look at the highlighted above. Too funny! Give it up dude, asked and answered.
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So after all that, you directly cite that I replaced the word "game" for "start" as a big error (you leave the rest ambiguous and don't directly provide support, most likely in an effort to not give me an opportunity to prove you wrong again) --- when in all actuality "game" is more appropriate than your "start" term...... since in the games he started and got hurt, he did in fact play (and didn't "miss") those "game(s)". Therefore the only "games" he fully missed, were the ones in which he did not start..... therefore in the context of this discussion, "games" and "starts" have the same ending total of 1. And I shouldn't have to say this, but after this exchange and seeing your ability to analyze, I deem it necessary: neither of us (the only thing we really agree on) considered the 3 games he was benched in the 2013 season to be ones which should be taken into consideration for purposes of being "injury prone". Again, a great example of you trying to "twist" things with the same meaning and using either ignorance or inference to incorrectly substantiate.....
I like the asked and answered quote --- the only issue is that if I ask you what 1+1 is and you answer 7 three consecutive times, I feel necessary to keep going..... perhaps I should just accept the limitations of the person I'm directing the questions/statements to....
And as far as the highlights --- I would recommend going back to page 3 of this topic and reading. The FIRST highlighted post was MY injury prone statement...... YOUR FIRST (discounting the "twisting" response) response was that he wasn't hurt in 2013. YOUR SECOND response was providing excuses to his performance drop (which was MY SECOND highlighted statement)...... So maybe you just didn't want to respond. Again, perhaps I was overestimating your ability to answer a statement. For the second and 3rd highlighted statements above -- see my 1st paragraph.
But regardless, I still love how you provide no facts in support of anything.
On a side note, I was in DC this weekend and watched the game with a very large contingent of skins fans --- literally all of whom (at one point or another, with no prompting by me as I honestly don't give a dump; the main reason I have continued in this exchange was to see just how disillusioned you truly are as a fan) said RGIII was "brittle" and Cousins was going to be the starter for the remainder of the year. I remember the comments so vividly because I found it surprising that so many different people would use the term "brittle" almost as if it was universally used for this particular issue.
But I guess at this point it should be given up --- because if you don't get it now, you never will.
