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The Hogster wrote:If you R E A D it, Dr. Andrews plainly admits that Cyrus' knee is worn down, but he says it's common for men of his size to have worn down knees due to the amount of force, weight etc. Dr. Andrews is refuting Ian Rappaport's report that Cyrus failed physicals at the combine due to a botched surgery to repair a torn ACL and MCL. Which isn't true. He's fine from that. But, he has worn down knees. The kind of wear you see in old people.

The Hogster wrote:Doc Andrews also called RGIII superhuman. He also didn't do the initial surgery that wrecked his knee.

The Hogster wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Hogster... you realize that article doesn't support your assertions, don't you?

Reading is fundamental for most of us. Dr. Andrews admits in the article that he has visible wear on his knees and that his poor combine physicals on a numerical scale were due to the degenerative deterioration on his knees. Not the blown surgery as reported. Read first. Talk second. Or do you want me to put crayon around where he says it. I highlighted it in yellow. But magic marker might work better. Let me know.

Countertrey wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

What in that article disagrees with CT's point?

Countertrey wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Hogster... you realize that article doesn't support your assertions, don't you?

Reading is fundamental for most of us. Dr. Andrews admits in the article that he has visible wear on his knees and that his poor combine physicals on a numerical scale were due to the degenerative deterioration on his knees. Not the blown surgery as reported. Read first. Talk second. Or do you want me to put crayon around where he says it. I highlighted it in yellow. But magic marker might work better. Let me know.

I'm reminding you that personal attacks are not permitted in this forum ( do I need to walk you through the terms of use?)... I read your highlights... and will note that, while not important to those whom are twisting evidence to fit their own facts, context counts. Unfortunately, I read the entire article, and (being a health professional with experience in orthopaedics) am fully aware of the ENTIRE intent of Dr Andrews memo. Knock off the infantile digs or take it to smack. You want to debate? Debate.

The Hogster wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

What in that article disagrees with CT's point?

No. Not "normal" "common" common for someone whose been lumbering around with 300+ lbs on his knees and who blew an ACL and MCL. Which is why he says "it's unfortunate" but it's common. Normal isn't unfortunate. There's a reason why he fell to the 2nd round. He works for Alabama. They want to get players drafted. But, even he didn't lie about the wear on his knees. GM's know this which is why he didn't go 1st round.

oneman56 wrote:to support Hogsters claim...i agree on this one.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... nee-health


this, from Alabama's trainer.

"There's no question, with his knee, that is something that's going to have to be paid attention and dealt with, with the understanding at times it may limit him," Allen said. "At times, I'm talking about down the road, 5-6 years down the road, not this year."

The Hogster wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

What in that article disagrees with CT's point?

No. Not "normal" "common" common for someone whose been lumbering around with 300+ lbs on his knees and who blew an ACL and MCL. Which is why he says "it's unfortunate" but it's common. Normal isn't unfortunate. There's a reason why he fell to the 2nd round. He works for Alabama. They want to get players drafted. But, even he didn't lie about the wear on his knees. GM's know this which is why he didn't go 1st round.

Andrews said the "wear patterns" on the knee are similar to what was shown on X-rays of Kouandjio's knee upon his arrival at Alabama, even before the surgery performed in his freshman year.

The Hogster wrote:

oneman56 wrote:to support Hogsters claim...i agree on this one.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... nee-health


this, from Alabama's trainer.

"There's no question, with his knee, that is something that's going to have to be paid attention and dealt with, with the understanding at times it may limit him," Allen said. "At times, I'm talking about down the road, 5-6 years down the road, not this year."

Thank you. Someone else has actually read this information and knows I'm not making it up. As if I would even want to. For whatever reason.

oneman56 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

oneman56 wrote:to support Hogsters claim...i agree on this one.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... nee-health


this, from Alabama's trainer.

"There's no question, with his knee, that is something that's going to have to be paid attention and dealt with, with the understanding at times it may limit him," Allen said. "At times, I'm talking about down the road, 5-6 years down the road, not this year."

Thank you. Someone else has actually read this information and knows I'm not making it up. As if I would even want to. For whatever reason.

Personally, i'm glad we passed on him. The bit from his own trainer is concerning to me and he's one tweak or gasp, injury, away from worsening it. Every player is an injury away but this kid may not recover from any additional damage, he may not last long as it is anyways. I wish the kid the best and hope he has a long successful career but i wouldn't have been willing to put a 2nd round pick on it.

The Hogster wrote:You, me and every single GM who passed on him at least once. Everyone except CT and DS.

Spencer Long, G, Nebraska
Height: 6-5. Weight: 320.
Projected 40 Time: 5.25.
Projected Round (2014): 3-5.
5/7/14: Long played well for Nebraska in 2013 before going down with a torn ACL. The senior could be a steal in the 2014 NFL Draft, as he was a potential top-100 selection before the injury. Long didn't work out at the Combine. A number of teams brought in him on pre-draft visits.

8/8/13: Long was solid for Nebraska in 2012 with improved pass protection. He was a tough run-blocker who had a lot of success opening up holes in the ground game.

The former walk-on was an All-Big Ten performer in a breakout sophomore season in 2011. He was a leader on a Cornhuskers' line that averaged 217 yards per game in 2012. Long did a very good job opening up holes for running back Rex Burkhead and quarterback Taylor Martinez.

Long has some mobility and added strength over the past year. If the senior comes through with an impressive 2013, he should move up higher on the second day of the 2014 NFL Draft.

Personal: Biological sciences major. Son of Doug and Ann Long. Spencer Long has won a lot of academic awards during his time at Nebraska.

I never said I would have picked him. I simply pointed out that the article you posted totally flew in the face of the argument you were making. And as usual, you can't admit it when you are called on something you have wrong, and even get condescending in your attemps to deflect attention from your error.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Can we start an "aging knee thread," and get back on topic? I'm at the gym and reading your banter has been fun but I'd prefer a link to Morgan's highlights if that's not to much to ask?

funbuncher wrote:this is why I stopped coming here. you guys are usually more into having a pissing contest than an interesting discussion. waste for the rest of us, why don't you all just call each other and save us the time.

funbuncher wrote:this is why I stopped coming here. you guys are usually more into having a pissing contest than an interesting discussion. waste for the rest of us, why don't you all just call each other and save us the time.

The Hogster wrote:

I never said I would have picked him. I simply pointed out that the article you posted totally flew in the face of the argument you were making. And as usual, you can't admit it when you are called on something you have wrong, and even get condescending in your attemps to deflect attention from your error.

Because I'm not wrong. You and CT just didn't know what several of us did about Cyrus' knee. Bottom line is there is a concern there and even Andrews notes it. The fact that he's on Alabama's payroll, and several teams passed leads some of us to recognize fire beneath the smoke. But, you two are so busy trying to catch me up that you totally ignore facts that most of us have just to be sticklers on minutia.

Are his knees 68 year old knees? no Is there concern that he's going to break down much faster than usual? ABSOLUTELY.

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