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Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:35 pm
by DarthMonk
riggofan wrote:Briles on RG III: Baylor coach Art Briles watched his former quarterback, Robert Griffin III, work out earlier this week. He saw a guy he used to see with regularity. "I think it's as fresh and uplifting as I've seen him in a long time quite honestly," Briles said on the SiriusXM Blitz Wednesday via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post. "The thing about ACLs: I've always thought they take a complete year to get over. And I think he rushed himself a little bit, just because that's the way Robert is. He's always going to be determined to do more than is humanly possible."
Briles' prediction? "So I think this year, I do think we'll see a very healthy RG III. I think we're gonna see a guy that's happy playing the game, that has a fire and attitude that you need to have a chance to be successful, because that's who he is."
Revisiting Week 1 2013: Steinberg also wrote about former Redskin Chris
ey saying that Griffin should not have started the 2013 opener. It wasn't because of Griffin's health, but rather his readiness. Griffin was cleared by doctors and was ready physically. But it's clear in hindsight he was not prepared to play in an NFL game. Mike Shanahan did a bad job of managing Griffin, from not pulling him in the Seattle game despite his gut feeling to do so and to being afraid of how his moves were perceived by the young quarterback. If you have a conviction on something, do it. Instead, Shanahan did not and instead we got the mess of last December.
This
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:45 am
by Deadskins
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:05 pm
by CharlesHurley
I really think RG3 is going to comeback in a big way this year. As long as he can learn to slide I believe he'll show glimpses of the 2012 season.
Check out this video
https://vimeo.com/hurleymontages/redskins2014hypevideo
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:04 am
by OldSchool
If his leg is healthy, really healthy, than I expect Griffin will be able to backyard ball his way to a .500 record. Maybe Gruden will be able to get him to do more than play backyard ball but I doubt it.
The Skins have been a backyard offensive team because of Griffin and probably will remain so regardless of who coaches them IMO and it probably has effected thehabits of the receiving also. I doubt they run precise routes or have variable routes depending on the coverage they encounter, if a quarter can't read the defense, anticipate the open man and quickly toss to the open spot why bother?
RG3Firsts&1Second sells so much merchandise the envious Cleveland Browns drafted a mini me RGIII so they can play backyard ball and move carloads of jerseys too, they even hired the younger Shany to fire up the zone read nonsense. Who will get busted up first this year Griffin or Mansells a bunch of junk? It will be fun to watch. Griffin twice burned should know better and Gruden may restrain Griffin more than Shany does the Mansells, who seems programmed for shooting star immortality but who can account for the behavior of narcissists?
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:25 pm
by DarthMonk
OldSchool wrote:-snip- It will be fun to watch. -snip- ... but who can account for the behavior of narcissists?
Indeed.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:25 pm
by Countertrey
DarthMonk wrote:OldSchool wrote:-snip- It will be fun to watch. -snip- ... but who can account for the behavior of narcissists?
Indeed.
I see what you did there...
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:12 pm
by SkinsJock
DarthMonk wrote:Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins
New coach Jay Gruden said he will take advantage of Robert Griffin III's skills as a runner.
Back in the 2011 draft, Gruden pushed for the Bengals to pass on Colin Kaepernick in favor of Andy Dalton because he wasn't "into the read-option stuff." He's since changed his tune. "I would be foolish to try to turn RG3 into a pocket passer. It would be foolish," Gruden said. "The way he is as a runner, we have to take advantage of that. He strikes fear into defensive coordinators when he runs outside. I'm going to let him be himself." By the time Week 1 rolls around, Griffin will be roughly 21 months removed from his ACL surgery. He projects to record far more than the 37.6 rushing yards and zero rushing touchdowns he produced in 2013.
Source: SI.com Jan 20 - 10:04 AM
It will be interesting to see how these guys utilize RG3 - I don't think it will be quite the same as is intimated in this piece by SI
I think that the OC and Jay want to build RG3 into a far more complete QB that also has the speed and the talent to extend plays if he has to but certainly not at all like he was used in 2012
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:12 pm
by SkinsJock
SkinsJock wrote:Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins
New coach Jay Gruden said he will take advantage of Robert Griffin III's skills as a runner.
Back in the 2011 draft, Gruden pushed for the Bengals to pass on Colin Kaepernick in favor of Andy Dalton because he wasn't "into the read-option stuff." He's since changed his tune. "I would be foolish to try to turn RG3 into a pocket passer. It would be foolish," Gruden said. "The way he is as a runner, we have to take advantage of that. He strikes fear into defensive coordinators when he runs outside. I'm going to let him be himself." By the time Week 1 rolls around, Griffin will be roughly 21 months removed from his ACL surgery. He projects to record far more than the 37.6 rushing yards and zero rushing touchdowns he produced in 2013.
Source: SI.com Jan 20 - 10:04 AM
It will be interesting to see how these guys utilize RG3 - I don't think it will be quite the same as is intimated in this piece by SI
I think that the OC and Jay want to build RG3 into a far more complete QB that also has the speed and the talent to extend plays if he has to but certainly not at all like he was used in 2012
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:10 pm
by Neo
SkinsJock wrote:DarthMonk wrote:Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins
New coach Jay Gruden said he will take advantage of Robert Griffin III's skills as a runner.
Back in the 2011 draft, Gruden pushed for the Bengals to pass on Colin Kaepernick in favor of Andy Dalton because he wasn't "into the read-option stuff." He's since changed his tune. "I would be foolish to try to turn RG3 into a pocket passer. It would be foolish," Gruden said. "The way he is as a runner, we have to take advantage of that. He strikes fear into defensive coordinators when he runs outside. I'm going to let him be himself." By the time Week 1 rolls around, Griffin will be roughly 21 months removed from his ACL surgery. He projects to record far more than the 37.6 rushing yards and zero rushing touchdowns he produced in 2013.
Source: SI.com Jan 20 - 10:04 AM
It will be interesting to see how these guys utilize RG3 - I don't think it will be quite the same as is intimated in this piece by SI
I think that the OC and Jay want to build RG3 into a far more complete QB that also has the speed and the talent to extend plays if he has to but certainly not at all like he was used in 2012
From what I saw last night, I'm seeing a lot more of a pocket passer role. He looked comfortable out there, even though his time was short. I love the check down option...I think that will keep his confidence up as there will likely always be someone open (as we've all heard a million times already).
Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm feeling a lot more comfortable with this regime's handling of Bob...runs should be for emergency purposes and should be more productive with the other distractions on the field.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:43 pm
by SKINS#1
He needs to do less talking as I am not interested in what he thinks but how he preforms. A good model would be Tom Brady.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:04 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
SKINS#1 wrote:He needs to do less talking as I am not interested in what he thinks but how he preforms. A good model would be Tom Brady.
So the media can torch him for being too stuck up to talk? Its a lose lose.. everyone wants an interview and he will be bashed for saying no commment!
Coach is straight up in his pressers and likewise Ronert has been. Its a non issue for me, as long as he continues to work hard and progress as a player. DC reporters thrive on Robert- why take food off their table if he isnt saying anything bad? Take a look at Nfl.com or espn... we are out of the headlines more then ever, especially under shanny.
-Also he has matured in front of the microphone so I dont agree with your assertion at all
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:52 am
by SkinsJock
SKINS#1 wrote:He needs to do less talking as I am not interested in what he thinks but how he preforms. A good model would be Tom Brady.
to each his own - we're going to see a different/better QB and he's going to continue to be 'exposed' - it's who he is and the NFL loves it
I think this combination of HC and OC plus the style of offense we're going to see is going to be great for the now and the future for RG3
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:58 pm
by OldSchool
Its a 19 game season if you want to go to the SB, so the Skins need to deep six the zone read crap and teach Griffin how to thrive in the pocket if he is capable of learning. I am skeptical of his ability to learn and his willingness to learn, but if Griffin is to be more than option guy miscast in the NFL he needs to learn the pocket game.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:00 pm
by DarthMonk
SKINS#1 wrote:He needs to do less talking as I am not interested in what he thinks but how he preforms. A good model would be Tom Brady.
That's a good model for what you are addressing.
My perfect model for Griff is Aaron Rogers - both in the way he plays QB as well as the way he plays the media.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:28 pm
by DarthMonk
OldSchool wrote:Its a 19 game season if you want to go to the SB, so the Skins need to deep six the zone read crap and teach Griffin how to thrive in the pocket if he is capable of learning. I am skeptical of his ability to learn and his willingness to learn, but if Griffin is to be more than option guy miscast in the NFL he needs to learn the pocket game.
Mostly agree. Nothing wrong with healthy skepticism. The zone read should remain but be sprinkled rather than featured.
Here's a pretty good article in how the read option has progressed in the NFL post-Griff.
http://grantland.com/features/bill-barn ... on-scheme/Excerpt:
What’s also interesting is seeing how the teams that ran the read-option most frequently in 2012 have been at the same task in 2013. Each of the five heaviest read-option users from 2012 are among the league’s seven most-frequent zone-read teams in 2013. And four of the five have had less success this season:
Code: Select all
2012 2013
Team Snaps Play% Yd/Ply Snaps Play% Yd/Ply
CAR 141 14.3% 6.3 53 11.8% 4.0
WAS 118 11.9% 6.2 37 7.6% 4.7
SEA 54 5.5% 7.1 60 12.2% 5.3
49R 41 4.2% 6.3 41 8.5% 3.3
JET 27 2.6% 3.9 41 7.7% 4.2
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:58 pm
by hanburgerheel
According to this:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000376536/article/kirk-cousins-outplaying-redskins-qb-robert-griffin-iii- Griffin is lackluster and already in the shadow of Cousins.
I still say that RG3 will be an NFL memory very soon.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:46 am
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Dod you even READ that article?! The last paragraph?
Cousins looks good vs bums and backups? Id hope so..
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:18 am
by oj
I don't think we'll see another season of RGIII 'learning' the system or 'developing' his technique. He has it or he dosn't, there is intense pressure on him right now and we'll know soon enough if he'll make it. I really believe he has the talent, but he looks lost and the sideline shots of him following the offense gave me pause. He should exhude confidance, knowing that if Cousins messed things up that he could set things right at a moments notice. You know, the look that Tom Brady had while watching his guy.
He should have been allowed to play the 1st quarter and then some, to have an oppertunity to both screw up and then connect. To get that feeling of accomplishment, the coaches didn't give him that chance.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:28 am
by Deadskins
oj wrote:He should have been allowed to play the 1st quarter and then some, to have an oppertunity to both screw up and then connect. To get that feeling of accomplishment, the coaches didn't give him that chance.
Not in the first pre-season game. He'll play more in #2 and #3. BTW, I didn't get the same feel as you at all from watching him play or standing on the sidelines.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:24 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Had the ROOKIE got his feet down before catching himself w his hand OB, Robert would have been 3/4 with a Td... and then what?
Sometimes I wonder if the haters even watched the same damn game smh
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:33 pm
by SkinsJock
I understand why some might have concerns about Robert ... I just think that this HC and OC are what he needs to help him become a really good NFL QB and I do believe that he has the desire and intelligence to do whatever it takes under their guidance
we shall see - I'm confident that he'll show that he's ready to move on from the gimmicky stuff the Shanahans thought was best for him
I'm sure we'll see him become a much more traditional NFL QB that has incredible speed and a great arm - he needs to take the next step and learn from these 2 guys ... especially how to quickly go through his progressions - this takes time
this kid is very diligent and he will be driven to make whatever adjustments are needed to be the best QB he can be
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:49 pm
by Neo
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Dod you even READ that article?! The last paragraph?
Cousins looks good vs bums and backups? Id hope so..
LOL true, but remember his (Cousins) first pass that night? Luckily it wasn't an interception. He looked good for rest of the night, but even against the bums and backups he almost threw an interception right off.
I always liked Cousins, but he's regressed from what I've seen.
Like you said, at the end of the article it clears it up about who really is outplaying who. Probably the most pointless article written this year about us.
I like the scheme of our new offense. RG3 has more options and the plays seem to assure that at least one guy is going to be open. Lets not forget that he didn't have Garcon or DJax to throw to. Even with his few reps, he looked good. AR15 even looked good.
Cousins just throws too many interceptions. I don't want Romo 2.0 gun slinging for us.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:53 pm
by Neo
SkinsJock wrote:I understand why some might have concerns about Robert ... I just think that this HC and OC are what he needs to help him become a really good NFL QB and I do believe that he has the desire and intelligence to do whatever it takes under their guidance
we shall see - I'm confident that he'll show that he's ready to move on from the gimmicky stuff the Shanahans thought was best for him
I'm sure we'll see him become a much more traditional NFL QB that has incredible speed and a great arm - he needs to take the next step and learn from these 2 guys ... especially how to quickly go through his progressions - this takes time
this kid is very diligent and he will be driven to make whatever adjustments are needed to be the best QB he can be
Agreed.
I like what I saw last game. You can see him scanning his options. He did fine, but could stand to get a little faster about it, which he will...speed of work comes only through experience. He's getting plenty to practice reps this year.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:28 pm
by Deadskins
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Had the ROOKIE got his feet down before catching himself w his hand
Aldrick Robinson is not a rookie.
Re: Robert Griffin Next Year
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:01 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Deadskins wrote:cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Had the ROOKIE got his feet down before catching himself w his hand
Aldrick Robinson is not a rookie.
I realized my mistake just now.. and of course its already too late. Good call and thanks for the correction. I thoufh it was Cody but he too isnt a rookie any how.
Fwiw had it been tana or Garçon it wouldve been six points sobthe sentiment is this same even tho Robinson made a good playbon the ball he made a rookie move not getting feet down before his hand touched out. It was a helluva pass from RG3 tho.
Im sure im not in the minority herw, but coach is going to keep his shiny new Lamborghini (the Offense) under raps until week one.. then we will see the thing breathe like its suppose too!!
