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Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:08 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
DaSkinz Baby wrote:Okay I personally would have covered McCoy with Biggers, or Amerson before I would have had Kerrigan cover him. I would have actually had that Rookie out of Florida State cover him I believe his name is Brandon Jenkins cover him before I would have used Kerrigan. Now for me, I don't have one of my two best pass rushers attempt to cover the fastest back on the field, ESPECIALLY when I know there is what 10% chance that the blitz will get there within 2-3 seconds. Now that is about as best I can answer this question.........
So a nickel defense. Which means if Foles audibles to a run, you have an OL/TE on Biggers/Amerson. That surely will work out well...
Brandon Jenkins, who was injured for a bit this year? Jenkin's who's never on the field? You want him covering Shady...? You want a ROOKIE, who barely saw the field, who never had to cover a person in space, to cover the best scat-back in the NFL???!?! You want Brandon Jenkins, who didn't play hardly AT ALL in 2012 or 2013... LOLOL You want a man who's barely played in football in 2 years to cover Shady McCoy?
But fine, if that's your decision. You have to realize that it's not perfect. That you're decision is equally able to get screwed. Haz had very little options. He felt that Kerrigan was his best with the tools available. It was a lose/lose.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:08 pm
by PAPDOG67
DaSkinz Baby wrote:Okay I personally would have covered McCoy with Biggers, or Amerson before I would have had Kerrigan cover him. I would have actually had that Rookie out of Florida State cover him I believe his name is Brandon Jenkins cover him before I would have used Kerrigan. Now for me, I don't have one of my two best pass rushers attempt to cover the fastest back on the field, ESPECIALLY when I know there is what 10% chance that the blitz will get there within 2-3 seconds. Now that is about as best I can answer this question.........
Stop it man, you're making too much sense on here.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:17 pm
by PAPDOG67
Bottom line is this:
2007 - 19.4 PPG 11th
2008 - 18.5 PPG 6th
2009 - 21.0 PPG 18th
Haslet comes in with Shanny:
2010 - 23.6 PPG 21st
2011 - 22.9 PPG 21st
2012 - 24.3 PPG 22nd
2013 - 29.9 PPG tied for 30th
Those numbers to me = epic fail. They're so bad in fact I'd be shocked if he got a job anywhere else in the immediate future if we did in fact fire him. To me Jim Haslet should be looking for his next job in the college or high school ranks.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:40 pm
by tribeofjudah
RaynAustin.... coach younger than some of the players/ who Gruden? He's 46.... no players at 46. LoL
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:53 pm
by riggofan
PAPDOG67 wrote:Bottom line is this:
2007 - 19.4 PPG 11th
2008 - 18.5 PPG 6th
2009 - 21.0 PPG 18th
Haslet comes in with Shanny:
2010 - 23.6 PPG 21st
2011 - 22.9 PPG 21st
2012 - 24.3 PPG 22nd
2013 - 29.9 PPG tied for 30th
Those numbers to me = epic fail. They're so bad in fact I'd be shocked if he got a job anywhere else in the immediate future if we did in fact fire him. To me Jim Haslet should be looking for his next job in the college or high school ranks.
Look man, I'm not a big Haslett fan, and I'd really rather have seen him gone. But anybody who follows the team closely knows there is a lot more behind these numbers than just "Haslett sucks". Its a fact that Shanahan made the switch to the 3-4, not Haslett. And its a stone fact that the defense has been completely hamstrung by the cap penalty the past two years. Trotting these stats out and writing "epic fail" is just epically gay.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:59 pm
by StorminMormon86
Not to mention that Haslett allegedly had his playcalling meddled with and/or revoked by Shanahan last year...so maybe he's not all to blame like we originally thought.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:17 pm
by emoses14
Sounds like Jay wants to keep the 3-4 defense. Says we have the foundation for it, have run it for a few years, and that he hated scheming against that defense as an O-coordinator.
Though he said he hadn't made that evaluation yet.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:20 pm
by riggofan
Apparently hasn't committed to his staff positions yet either. A little surprising, thought we might hear the final word on the DC this afternoon.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:29 pm
by DaSkinz Baby
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:31 pm
by SCSkinsFan
Jay sounds like Frank Caliendo doing an impersonation of his older brother Chucky. Said he wants to stay with the 3-4. We'll see what the future holds.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:41 pm
by PAPDOG67
riggofan wrote:PAPDOG67 wrote:Bottom line is this:
2007 - 19.4 PPG 11th
2008 - 18.5 PPG 6th
2009 - 21.0 PPG 18th
Haslet comes in with Shanny:
2010 - 23.6 PPG 21st
2011 - 22.9 PPG 21st
2012 - 24.3 PPG 22nd
2013 - 29.9 PPG tied for 30th
Those numbers to me = epic fail. They're so bad in fact I'd be shocked if he got a job anywhere else in the immediate future if we did in fact fire him. To me Jim Haslet should be looking for his next job in the college or high school ranks.
Look man, I'm not a big Haslett fan, and I'd really rather have seen him gone. But anybody who follows the team closely knows there is a lot more behind these numbers than just "Haslett sucks". Its a fact that Shanahan made the switch to the 3-4, not Haslett. And its a stone fact that the defense has been completely hamstrung by the cap penalty the past two years. Trotting these stats out and writing "epic fail" is just epically gay.
You can go ahead and name call if you want and pass the buck if you want. I am a numbers guy, always have been, that why I work in the market. Those numbers mean to me, that the guy did not do a good job. He also doesn't have a very good track record. I guess that makes me gay for pointing that out.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:51 pm
by riggofan
PAPDOG67 wrote:You can go ahead and name call if you want and pass the buck if you want. I am a numbers guy, always have been, that why I work in the market. Those numbers mean to me, that the guy did not do a good job. He also doesn't have a very good track record. I guess that makes me gay for pointing that out.
Not calling you names, and I apologize for the bad joke on "epic fail".
My point still stands that I don't agree those numbers and stats really say enough about that coach.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:53 pm
by riggofan
I don't know about you guys, but I'm glad the coach hiring didn't drag out any longer. Looking forward to getting into free agency in a few months, seeing what moves these guys will make, who they're going to keep, etc;
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:39 pm
by jr_uscg
Been watching Comcast all afternoon and I like Jay. He is on the Larry Michael show right now, great personality. Jay's winning attitude is what the team and fans need. Lets get it done! He is looking forward to working with RGIII. Good job Dan and Bruce!
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:36 pm
by RayNAustin
tribeofjudah wrote:RaynAustin.... coach younger than some of the players/ who Gruden? He's 46.... no players at 46. LoL
Obviously you need to re-read what I said .... I was referring to McVay being slotted as the OC ... he is 27.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:45 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Deadskins wrote:I'd still like them to bring in Wade Phillips to be DC.
I posted that when he was released!
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:48 pm
by SkinsJock
I am glad we have decided on a HC and I like the choice .. I agree with riggofan - it's time to move on with all this
I particularly like the choice for OC - Sean McVay - it might have been harder to 'work together' if we'd brought in some super OC
this way Sean can learn from Jay and at the same time bring some new thinking to the offense that Jay has proven is a good offense
we do need a QB coach that complements what these 2 want to get done and gets RG3 ready to be the QB he (RG3) wants to be
RG3 said today that he's looking forward to becoming a much better all round QB and not just a good read option type QB
I am not as anti Haslett as the DC as some here are ... I think Haslett will have a lot to prove IF he's made the DC and I think he'll be driven to have a much better defense
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:58 pm
by SkinsJock
Deadskins wrote:I'd still like them to bring in Wade Phillips to be DC.
I really don't see that happening - Jay would have to convince the FO that he really cannot work with Haslett or Raheem and that's a long shot
I think the FO guys have decided that the defensive issues were not because of Jim Haslett
we shall see ...
I am hopeful about all this but we seem to have become the "wait until next year" franchise - full of promise in the off season, and then ... the real season begins ...
it's not all about who is coaching here, so don't get your knickers in a twist about this guy or that guy ...
just hope the little guy that owns this franchise stays away from making a mess of it again
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:13 pm
by Kilmer72
Jay Gruden, the newly hired head coach of the Washington Redskins, did not commit during his introductory news conference Thursday at Redskins Park to retaining defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, secondary coach Raheem Morris and tight ends coach Sean McVay on his staff.
“I’m gonna wait and see,” Gruden said. “I’m gonna interview a lot of coaches. Like I said, I’m gonna look at each coach that has been retained by Bruce [Allen, the team's general manager] here and interview everybody. I know there’s a lot of coaches here that can coach and there’s a lot of good football people that are here that can coach.
“There’s also good football people across the country right now looking to work and looking to work for the Washington Redskins. This opportunity is a once-in-a-lifetime deal and I’ve already had about 350 texts [from] people, great coaches looking to coach, and it’s gonna keep coming. So I don’t think finding a great coaching and coaching staff is gonna be difficult. It’s finding the right ones that fit what I want to do and what the players want to do.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... and-mcvay/
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:51 pm
by RG3peat
THANK GOD....no college HC.....I think they grabbed best available .....that was available....I like Bevell or Roman but there was NO slam dunk when they truely hit the market and then the FO would be scrambling.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:07 pm
by OldSchool
DaSkinz Baby wrote:Does anyone have any thought about McVey being the OC, at the tender young age of 27 this will either be a very good thing, or horrible. I don't know enough to garner any impression or thoughts at this moment and hope someone can add some information.
27? Wow. Working with someone as difficult and headstrong as Griffin is going to be a real challenge for a guy only 27. This doesn't look promising I think Griffin at this stage needs a really strong, confident guy who could set expectations of what Griffin needs to learn to become a real NFL QB and I think that is too much to ask from a 27 year old guy who knows he serves at Griffin's pleasure. I think the tail is going to wag the dog.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:12 pm
by DarthMonk
OldSchool wrote:27? Wow. Working with someone as difficult and headstrong as Griffin is going to be a real challenge for a guy only 27. This doesn't look promising I think Griffin at this stage needs a really strong, confident guy who could set expectations of what Griffin needs to learn to become a real NFL QB and I think that is too much to ask from a 27 year old guy who knows he serves at Griffin's pleasure. I think the tail is going to wag the dog.
Why am I not surprised?
Of course, you could be right.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:29 pm
by Neo
I like how Gruden seems to be open to all options of offense. He seems pliable as far as gauging the roaster and what would work best based on the roster; none of this "make it fit" crap.
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:49 pm
by SkinsJock
just to be clear - we do not know what the make up of the staff is but we do know that Bruce and the FO have an agreement in place for Jay Gruden to be the HC
Jay will be putting together a staff and those guys will be working for Jay but they will be 'hired' by the FO ...
Jay will get a staff together but they are the guys the FO wants .... as well
so far so good
Re: Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:12 am
by Kilmer72
SkinsJock wrote:just to be clear -
we do not know what the make up of the staff is but we do know that Bruce and the FO have an agreement in place for Jay Gruden to be the HCJay will be putting together a staff and those guys will be working for Jay but they will be 'hired' by the FO ...
Jay will get a staff together but they are the guys the FO wants .... as well
so far so good
This is true we don't know. We do know we are going to have to deal with the hand we are dealt. My only problem with Jay from what I have read is he typically pass oriented and we have a great back. He isn't known for using his full back much. We have an awesome fullback. I really like DY. He will probably just block if used much at all.
When Gibbs 1 was here he was a pass happy Don Coryell disciple. He learned after the season was half gone to run more and stuck with that and became a smash mouth coach. In his second year things took off. Before you say I don't care what happened in the past, I am just giving an example of what "may" happen.
The good news is I am reading things from Steelers fans saying things like they are glad he is gone from their division and we should take that as a compliment.