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Re: RG3 status for the season
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:19 pm
by Deadskins
StorminMormon86 wrote:Deadskins wrote:1) I don't believe that there is a concensus amongst former and current players that he should sit or is regressing. And I don't agree that that would be a valid reason for sitting him the final three games, anyway.
2 former Redskins disagree with you.
ey and Theismann. Theismann: "Robert's made some decisions in games that just haven't allowed the football team to progress and win a football game, but
every quarterback does that. I admire what Mike is doing. I mean, it's speculation that he's going to be gone. And when you lose as many games as the Redskins have lost, there's a chance that he will be gone. But what he's doing is he's trying to protect the franchise quarterback, a guy he drafted, to give him a chance to be able to have an offseason to go to work."
ey's quote can be found previously in this thread.
Deadskins wrote:2) My primary concern is that the team wins, but why can't I have both? I'm actually going to this game (I live in Atlanta) and this would be my first chance to see RGIII live. I've looked forward to this game since the schedule came out that it was here and not at FedEx. So sue me if I'm disappointed that Shanny is being vindictive and sitting RGIII so he can get fired and still get his $7 million.
How is he being vindictive?! He's already said the decision was made between himself, Snyder, and Allen.
1) Theismann's quote hardly shows a consensus opinion that he should be benched, unless you think he's saying every QB should be benched after they make mistakes that lose a game. And you said former and current players agree. Where are these current players that agree. Anyway, two former players don't make a consensus. There are thousands of former Redskins, and I bet many would disagree that he should be benched.
2) I wouldn't believe anything Shanny says at this point. When the Danny comes out and confirms he agreed that RGIII should sit, then I will eat crow. Right now, I see this as Shanny trying to get Danny to fire him. It has nothing to do with protecting Robert.
Re: RG3 status for the season
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:21 pm
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:Mike is benching Griffin because he thinks it's in the best interests of the franchise and because he thinks it's the best thing to do for Robert
I disagree on both counts.
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:36 pm
by StorminMormon86
You really think Shanahan would come right out in public and say he ran it by Snyder (the idea of shutting Griffin down), then do actually go ahead and do it, and it's all one big lie!? He'd be fired immediately. As far as I know, he' still employed.
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:39 pm
by riggofan
StorminMormon86 wrote:You really think Shanahan would come right out in public and say he ran it by Snyder (the idea of shutting Griffin down), then do actually go ahead and do it, and it's all one big lie!? He'd be fired immediately. As far as I know, he' still employed.
You're soooooo right! For one, when has Mike Shanahan ever been less than honest? Like NEVER! For another, what reason (other than having to pay him $7m) would Snyder possibly have for not firing him?
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:45 pm
by StorminMormon86
riggofan wrote:You're soooooo right! For one, when has Mike Shanahan ever been less than honest? Like NEVER! For another, what reason (other than having to pay him $7m) would Snyder possibly have for not firing him?
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:38 pm
by oj
I am disappointed in the disinformation being spread around, like if RG3 is 100% then why worry about future sacks?
I believe he will be and should be benched, he should sit right next to Polumbus and let the two of them try figure out why they are where they are.
Cousins should start and he will do well. I believe Shanny has wanted Cousins in there for a while and that is why he is frustrated - the politics of benching a nationally adored 'franchise' quarterback is overwhelming.
Try this as a 'what if'...Shanny was let go at the end of last season and Andy Reid was this years head coach, just how long would RG3 have started? Maybe the first game, maybe. Andy Reid wouldn't have had an investment in RG3, he would have been trying to win games and RG3 would have continued his therapy but not as a starting quarteback. He is less than 100%, he still has a kneebrace. That is the cold hard fact.
Re: RG3 status for the season
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:47 pm
by SkinsJock
Deadskins wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Mike is benching Griffin because he thinks it's in the best interests of the franchise and because he thinks it's the best thing to do for Robert
I disagree on both counts.
I know you do and i'm sure there are many that agree with you - I just don't see it that way …
I don't think Mike will be back but I don't agree with a lot of the BS 'reports' that we've heard recently
I think that Mike really does think that benching Robert is better for him and better for the franchise
it did not look like RG3 was happy about this at all
This off season some coach (HC or QB coach or OC) is going to find a way to better utilize this kid's arm, his speed, his head and his desire to be the best
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:50 pm
by Irn-Bru
riggofan wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:You really think Shanahan would come right out in public and say he ran it by Snyder (the idea of shutting Griffin down), then do actually go ahead and do it, and it's all one big lie!? He'd be fired immediately. As far as I know, he' still employed.
You're soooooo right! For one, when has Mike Shanahan ever been less than honest? Like NEVER! For another, what reason (other than having to pay him $7m) would Snyder possibly have for not firing him?
Snyder has a track record of openly and arrogantly lying to the press and public. One striking example was a few years ago when he took Redskins One to Denver to convince Shanny to take over the team right then and there. Peter King called Vinny Cerrato on his cell phone during the meeting and Cerrato said, "I don't know what you're talking about; we're all at the stadium right now." Then the Skins put out an official lie that the plane had been booked by some other person for use that weekend. Another whopper that comes to mind is when Snyder/Cerrato talked about how Zorn had just impressed his way into the coaching job, when it was clear he really was an emergency backup once they realized they were never going to get a viable candidate after hiring offensive/defensive coordinators for him (and not having a proper GM).
It doesn't bother Snyder to say something outright false when it suits his intentions, especially when it means covering his tracks in a plan that is less than honorable (like sneaking around trying to replace a coach that you are dying to fire, instead of just firing him and being open about it).
Does Shanahan have any story you can call to our attention that can compete with that level of dishonesty? I don't have one. So yes, I do cut him a little more slack right now and don't assume the worst: I don't assume he must be the leak, I don't assume his benching Griffin is some kind of "all in" poker play, etc. It's too easy to turn on Shanahan because he's been unsuccessful this year and is likely out the door in a few weeks. I am open to being corrected, but I just don't see the rat everyone keeps talking about.
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:02 pm
by SkinsJock
oj wrote:I am disappointed in the disinformation being spread around, like if RG3 is 100% then why worry about future sacks?
I believe he will be and should be benched, he should sit right next to Polumbus and let the two of them try figure out why they are where they are.
Cousins should start and he will do well. I believe Shanny has wanted Cousins in there for a while and that is why he is frustrated - the politics of benching a nationally adored 'franchise' quarterback is overwhelming.
Try this as a 'what if'...Shanny was let go at the end of last season and Andy Reid was this years head coach, just how long would RG3 have started? Maybe the first game, maybe. Andy Reid wouldn't have had an investment in RG3, he would have been trying to win games and RG3 would have continued his therapy but not as a starting quarteback. He is less than 100%, he still has a kneebrace. That is the cold hard fact.
the only thing wrong with your 'scenario' is the fact that Mike KNOWS that Robert is the franchise QB of the future - Kirk has shown Mike that he's just a good QB
Mike has watched both in practice and if he felt that Kirk might be the better QB he would have pulled Robert sooner
Mike is in charge here and he's not worried about what anyone else thinks - he's got nothing to lose, that's partly why he benched Robert
gotta love the line "the politics of benching a nationally adored 'franchise' QB is overwhelming" - are you freaking kidding me - this is a HOF HC - he could care less
Robert will look back on this 'benching' and realize that Mike was right …. and so will many here
btw - RG3 does not want to wear the brace - the Redskins (Mike) have made him keep it on - he's absolutely 100%
we're looking forward to seeing him play without it next season and after a whole off season to prepare - get on board
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:10 pm
by Kilmer72
SkinsJock wrote:oj wrote:I am disappointed in the disinformation being spread around, like if RG3 is 100% then why worry about future sacks?
I believe he will be and should be benched, he should sit right next to Polumbus and let the two of them try figure out why they are where they are.
Cousins should start and he will do well. I believe Shanny has wanted Cousins in there for a while and that is why he is frustrated - the politics of benching a nationally adored 'franchise' quarterback is overwhelming.
Try this as a 'what if'...Shanny was let go at the end of last season and Andy Reid was this years head coach, just how long would RG3 have started? Maybe the first game, maybe. Andy Reid wouldn't have had an investment in RG3, he would have been trying to win games and RG3 would have continued his therapy but not as a starting quarteback. He is less than 100%, he still has a kneebrace. That is the cold hard fact.
the only thing wrong with your 'scenario' is the fact that Mike KNOWS that Robert is the franchise QB of the future - Kirk has shown Mike that he's just a good QB
Mike has watched both in practice and if he felt that Kirk might be the better QB he would have pulled Robert sooner
Mike is in charge here and he's not worried about what anyone else thinks - he's got nothing to lose, that's partly why he benched Robert
gotta love the line "the politics of benching a nationally adored 'franchise' QB is overwhelming" - are you freaking kidding me - this is a HOF HC - he could care less
Robert will look back on this 'benching' and realize that Mike was right …. and so will many here
btw - RG3 does not want to wear the brace - the Redskins (Mike) have made him keep it on - he's absolutely 100% we're looking forward to seeing him play without it next season and after a whole off season to prepare - get on board
If that is true I have to hand it to Shanahan for keeping him in it for this year. I don't blame him at all for that.
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:56 pm
by fredp45
I don't have a problem with RGIII being shut down and ensuring he's healthy for next year.
What really pisses me off is Mike saying, "He's been sacked too much". Hey Mike, how about telling your do-nothing-wrong son to draw up some plays with an additional blocker or two?
The Shanahan's had the ability to protect RGIII when they realized their front 5 wasn't any good. Add another tackle or guard since none of our TEs block worth a darn.
How about doing something to fix your Special Teams too!!! A little field position would be nice!!
NAh, we'll bench our QB.
Are Mike or Kyle ever wrong?
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:22 pm
by hanburgerheel
If Shanahan had Robert's health in mind, he would never have played him after the Ravens game last season. Griffin would never have taken another snap last season if that were the case. The wheels are all off this thing. It's a classic clusterf*ck of epic proportions. I will be so glad when father and son are gone.
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:39 pm
by Kilmer72
hanburgerheel wrote:If Shanahan had Robert's health in mind, he would never have played him after the Ravens game last season. Griffin would never have taken another snap last season if that were the case. The wheels are all off this thing. It's a classic clusterf*ck of epic proportions. I will be so glad when father and son are gone.
yeah he goes into detail about the Seattle game.
http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/v ... d1c62cc1b1The more he talks about that game the worse it gets but he seems honest.
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:35 am
by PulpExposure
fredp45 wrote:
How about doing something to fix your Special Teams too!!! A little field position would be nice!!
NAh, we'll bench our QB.
Are Mike or Kyle ever wrong?
I think this is brilliant by Shanahan. He's completely shifted the conversation to be about RG3, RG3's "special relationship" with Snyder, and how it undercuts the team. It's all about how that's why this team is failing.
No longer do we have to hear about a defense that has given up more points
than any other team in the NFL this year, or a special teams unit that is the worst I can ever remember seeing. We don't have to hear about Haslett, or Keith Burns, or any other coaching hire made by Shanahan (like Bob Slowik, coaching the linebackers...a kinda important job in the 3-4...even though he's never coached linebackers in the NFL before). No worries.
The team is 3-10 because of RG3 and Snyder. That is all.
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:31 am
by DaSkinz Baby
SkinsJock wrote:oj wrote:I am disappointed in the disinformation being spread around, like if RG3 is 100% then why worry about future sacks?
I believe he will be and should be benched, he should sit right next to Polumbus and let the two of them try figure out why they are where they are.
Cousins should start and he will do well. I believe Shanny has wanted Cousins in there for a while and that is why he is frustrated - the politics of benching a nationally adored 'franchise' quarterback is overwhelming.
Try this as a 'what if'...Shanny was let go at the end of last season and Andy Reid was this years head coach, just how long would RG3 have started? Maybe the first game, maybe. Andy Reid wouldn't have had an investment in RG3, he would have been trying to win games and RG3 would have continued his therapy but not as a starting quarteback. He is less than 100%, he still has a kneebrace. That is the cold hard fact.
the only thing wrong with your 'scenario' is the fact that Mike KNOWS that Robert is the franchise QB of the future - Kirk has shown Mike that he's just a good QB
Mike has watched both in practice and if he felt that Kirk might be the better QB he would have pulled Robert sooner
Mike is in charge here and he's not worried about what anyone else thinks - he's got nothing to lose, that's partly why he benched Robert
gotta love the line "the politics of benching a nationally adored 'franchise' QB is overwhelming" - are you freaking kidding me - this is a HOF HC - he could care less
Robert will look back on this 'benching' and realize that Mike was right …. and so will many here
btw - RG3 does not want to wear the brace - the Redskins (Mike) have made him keep it on - he's absolutely 100%
we're looking forward to seeing him play without it next season and after a whole off season to prepare - get on board
Mike Shanahan a HOF coach?? LMBAO!!!! This retard should get a HOF nut hugging award from John Elway. No Elway no SuperBowl for Red Lobster!!! Learn your facts!!!
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:32 am
by DaSkinz Baby
Okay it's pretty evident that the bulk of you people out here know nothing about football. Sure blame RGIII. I didn't know RGIII played Right Guard and Right Tackle, I didn't know RGIII played Right Cornerback and Free Safety. I didn't know RGIII coached special teams and played on Special Teams. You all must be on the short yellow bus of life cause you could have put Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning on this team and it would still be a 3-10 team. Shanahan is not a good coach and rode Elway's coat tails to the SuperBowl. Why do you not think he hasn't even smelled anything close since Elway retired? Why did Shanahan always have pathetic defenses in Denver and now he took a 4th rated defense and destroyed it. Then of all hires to make he chose Jim Haslett? To replace one of the best Special Teams coaches in the NFL in Danny Smith you hire a person WHO HAS NEVER BEEN A SPECIAL TEAMS COACH and then blame it on not having the same depth as last year? and you all stupid pathetic hacks BUY IT? LMAO!!! WOW the masses are about as dumb as the day is long. Lastly he hires his Down Syndrome looking son to be OC and call plays. You have a 1600 yard back that averages 5 YPC and a offensive line that run blocks better than pass blocks. But you don't run your 1600 yard back, you want to have a franchise QB sit back in the pocket when Chester and Polumbus couldn't pass block wet toilet paper!! You deactivate Fred Davis for weeks instead of having him and Jordan Reed on the same field at the same time! You keep playing Aldrick Robinson who drops 70% of all passes thrown to him! YEP let's bench RGIII and blame him....You all are retards SERIOUSLY.......
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:16 am
by Irn-Bru
DaSkinz Baby wrote:Okay it's pretty evident that the bulk of you people out here know nothing about football.
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You all must be on the short yellow bus of life
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and you all stupid pathetic hacks BUY IT? LMAO!!! WOW the masses are about as dumb as the day is long.
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You all are retards SERIOUSLY.......
DaSkinz Baby, these are all personal attacks and have no place in Hogwash. Take it to Smack or don't write at all.
Thanks.
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:51 am
by DaSkinz Baby
Irn-Bru wrote:DaSkinz Baby wrote:Okay it's pretty evident that the bulk of you people out here know nothing about football.
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You all must be on the short yellow bus of life
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and you all stupid pathetic hacks BUY IT? LMAO!!! WOW the masses are about as dumb as the day is long.
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You all are retards SERIOUSLY.......
DaSkinz Baby, these are all personal attacks and have no place in Hogwash. Take it to Smack or don't write at all.
Thanks.
Not to be taken as personal attacks but my random thought process after reading so many posts that to me make little to no sense what so ever.......
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:21 am
by Kilmer72
“I mean, you know it’s baloney,” Madden said. “I like Mike Shanahan, and I’m not talking behind his back, but when you say something like that, you know that’s not right — you’re not going to sacrifice regular season games. There’s only 16 of them a year. You’re not going to sacrifice regular season games for an offseason program.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -the-game/
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:42 am
by SkinsJock
Kilmer72 wrote:“I mean, you know it’s baloney,” Madden said. “I like Mike Shanahan, and I’m not talking behind his back, but when you say something like that, you know that’s not right — you’re not going to sacrifice regular season games. There’s only 16 of them a year. You’re not going to sacrifice regular season games for an offseason program.”
we all agree that everyone's entitled to their opinions and I like Madden for the most part but completely disagree with his thinking on this and his innuendo …
I think that Mike made a mistake in benching Robert for the rest of the season but I do not agree that he has ulterior motives or wanted to hurt the integrity of the NFL
I do think that Mike will try his best to win each and every game
and I'm not a fan of how or what Mike does as a HC - can't wait for all this BS to be over
& hoping to see Kirk have a great game Sunday in Atlanta
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:44 am
by DaSkinz Baby
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:45 am
by StorminMormon86
I thought it was interesting that Shanahan admitted yesterday that he considered benching him earlier this year.
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:16 pm
by DaSkinz Baby
SkinsJock wrote:Kilmer72 wrote:“I mean, you know it’s baloney,” Madden said. “I like Mike Shanahan, and I’m not talking behind his back, but when you say something like that, you know that’s not right — you’re not going to sacrifice regular season games. There’s only 16 of them a year. You’re not going to sacrifice regular season games for an offseason program.”
we all agree that everyone's entitled to their opinions and I like Madden for the most part but completely disagree with his thinking on this and his innuendo …
I think that Mike made a mistake in benching Robert for the rest of the season but I do not agree that he has ulterior motives or wanted to hurt the integrity of the NFL
I do think that Mike will try his best to win each and every game
and I'm not a fan of how or what Mike does as a HC - can't wait for all this BS to be over
& hoping to see Kirk have a great game Sunday in Atlanta
I can't wait to see Gonzalez, Jackson, Ryan and White have career days against a Haslett Defense. I can't wait to see Osi and the rest of them Falcons sack Cousins 7 times all while Special Teams gives up another 10 -14 points. I hope RGIII is on the sideline laughing his butt off. I hope the Redskins again get beat by a larger score than last week. Maybe then all these Shanahan followers will see him for the doo doo butter he and his entire coaching staff are. This team is so pathetic, and at times I don't know what's worse, the owner, coaching staff or many of the fans that continue to drink this sewage water passed as kool aide......
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:17 pm
by DaSkinz Baby
StorminMormon86 wrote:I thought it was interesting that Shanahan admitted yesterday that he considered benching him earlier this year.
Too bad that imbecilic moran can't bench his OC, DC and ST coach......
Re: RG3 status for the final 3 weeks
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:33 pm
by EA7649
I don't know if this has been said yet...but want to know why shanahan is sitting robert? apparently he wanted to walk end of last season, but rg3 was hurt and didn't want to leave on that note. so hes making sure he's not hurt and can leave at peace.
