Shanahasn't and never will

[riggofan]

DaSkins didn't write that. It came from the Post article. He should have put it in a quote box, though.

Gotcha.

[Deadskins]

You're seriously going to whine that Shanahan is sitting him in favor or Jordan Reid?

To be fair, he was not calling for Davis over Reed, but for the two of them on the field together.

[riggofan]

You're seriously going to whine that Shanahan is sitting him in favor or Jordan Reid?

To be fair, he was not calling for Davis over Reed, but for the two of them on the field together.

That's not what he wrote, but its still not much of an argument.

So he's upset that Shanahan is playing Reed/Paulsen instead of Reed/Davis. Really, what's the argument there? Shanahan can't complain about the lack of depth at positions like safety because we have some depth at TE?

[SkinsJock]

... Shanahan may not be the football genius Bill Belichik seems to be. But he isn't Jim Zorn either.
If what we get out of these four or five years is some stability, some new professionalism, finally putting Cerrato's mess behind us so the next coach has a solid foundation to build on, I'll consider this tenure a success.

AMEN - as bad as we've been since Snyder took over, the worst was the Zorn era - not so much because of Zorn but … REAL BAD

I look at where we were and where we are - this franchise has a future now …

btw - I'd still make the trade for RG3 - he's going to prove to be the best choice at QB for this franchise from that draft
Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson might not even be able to function if we'd taken them

[DarthMonk]

Here are his defenses in Denver and how they ranked with the exception of his first year (hold over from previous coach) and his last two (helped to get him fired):

Year Pts Yds
2006 8th 14th
2005 3rd 4th
2004 9th 4th
2003 9th 4th
2002 15th 6th
2001 21st 8th
2000 24th 2nd
1999 7th 15th
1998 11th 5th
1997 5th 4th
1996 4th 16th

Those last 2 were doozies. Denver was 28th and 30th those years in points allowed. He hired a guy name Bob Slowik for those last 2 years after the nice run cited above. Slowik had just finished coaching defenses for the Bears and Packers to rankings of 29th, 23rd, 29th, and 23rd. He brought Slowik with him to Washington where he's coached ... ahem, the secondary and linebackers.

[DaSkinz Baby]

You're seriously going to whine that Shanahan is sitting him in favor or Jordan Reid?

To be fair, he was not calling for Davis over Reed, but for the two of them on the field together.

That's not what he wrote, but its still not much of an argument.

So he's upset that Shanahan is playing Reed/Paulsen instead of Reed/Davis. Really, what's the argument there? Shanahan can't complain about the lack of depth at positions like safety because we have some depth at TE?

riggofan I guess that depends on how you look at it, all I was trying to say was simply you have a tightend that caused defenses problems, you have another one with the same skill set. If your trying to as he says put his team in the best position to succeed then you use what you have, you don't deactivate him - again IMHO, I also look closely at the offensive line, Chester and Polumbus play has been terrible this year, people that started when the linemen were hurt could have been played just to see if it was any better, again something not done. Shananigan's is simply terrible in many spectrums people defend him on.

[skinsfan#33]

Here are his defenses in Denver and how they ranked with the exception of his first year (hold over from previous coach) and his last two (helped to get him fired):

Year Pts Yds
2006 8th 14th
2005 3rd 4th
2004 9th 4th
2003 9th 4th
2002 15th 6th
2001 21st 8th
2000 24th 2nd
1999 7th 15th
1998 11th 5th
1997 5th 4th
1996 4th 16th

Those last 2 were doozies. Denver was 28th and 30th those years in points allowed. He hired a guy name Bob Slowik for those last 2 years after the nice run cited above. Slowik had just finished coaching defenses for the Bears and Packers to rankings of 29th, 23rd, 29th, and 23rd. He brought Slowik with him to Washington where he's coached ... ahem, the secondary and linebackers.

And he works for Raheem Morris, so his impact is pprobably minimal. I don't know why Slowik is here other than Shanny likes him.

I didn't discount those two seasons for no reason. I discounted them because they were bad. I was responding to the claim that Shanny had never had a good defense that he built, so I discounted the first year (too many hold overs from Wade Phillips Broncos) and the last two because they are what got him fired from Denver. I was not trying to claim that all of his defenses were good, just that some of them were. I'm fact all but those last two seasons were good and most very good!

[Deadskins]

... Shanahan may not be the football genius Bill Belichik seems to be. But he isn't Jim Zorn either.
If what we get out of these four or five years is some stability, some new professionalism, finally putting Cerrato's mess behind us so the next coach has a solid foundation to build on, I'll consider this tenure a success.

AMEN - as bad as we've been since Snyder took over, the worst was the Zorn era - not so much because of Zorn but … REAL BAD

I look at where we were and where we are - this franchise has a future now …

btw - I'd still make the trade for RG3 - he's going to prove to be the best choice at QB for this franchise from that draft
Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson might not even be able to function if we'd taken them

The worst was the Spurrier era by far. I'd also still make the RGIII trade.

[riggofan]

I'd still make the RGIII trade too.

I know fans are impatient, but I'd give up two first round picks to avoid another 20 years of futility at the QB position any day. We can NOT forget this (apologies in advance if you just ate):

2011 Rex Grossman (13) / John Beck (3)
2010 Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2009 Jason Campbell (16)
2008 Jason Campbell (16)
2007 Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2006 Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2005 Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2004 Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2003 Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2002 Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2001 Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2000 Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
1999 Brad Johnson (16)
1998 Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1997 Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1996 Gus Frerotte (16)
1995 Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1994 Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)

[DarthMonk]

Here are his defenses in Denver and how they ranked with the exception of his first year (hold over from previous coach) and his last two (helped to get him fired):

Year Pts Yds
2006 8th 14th
2005 3rd 4th
2004 9th 4th
2003 9th 4th
2002 15th 6th
2001 21st 8th
2000 24th 2nd
1999 7th 15th
1998 11th 5th
1997 5th 4th
1996 4th 16th

Those last 2 were doozies. Denver was 28th and 30th those years in points allowed. He hired a guy name Bob Slowik for those last 2 years after the nice run cited above. Slowik had just finished coaching defenses for the Bears and Packers to rankings of 29th, 23rd, 29th, and 23rd. He brought Slowik with him to Washington where he's coached ... ahem, the secondary and linebackers.

And he works for Raheem Morris, so his impact is pprobably minimal. I don't know why Slowik is here other than Shanny likes him.

I didn't discount those two seasons for no reason. I discounted them because they were bad. I was responding to the claim that Shanny had never had a good defense that he built, so I discounted the first year (too many hold overs from Wade Phillips Broncos) and the last two because they are what got him fired from Denver. I was not trying to claim that all of his defenses were good, just that some of them were. I'm fact all but those last two seasons were good and most very good!

Understood. I'm thinking he (Slowik) had the secondary before Morris and has linebackers now - not under Morris at all - I think. They are both under Haz who is under Shanny. My point is kinda this: As Shanny got more power he started "fixing" things that weren't broken - like here with our 4-3. Also, installing former coordinators as position coaches is a questionable tactic. It's a demotion and smells of too many chiefs and not enough indians ... so to speak.

[SkinsJock]

The change to the 3-4 defense was NOT made to 'fix' anything - it was to have a defense that he (and his pal Belicheat) felt was better at the time and he brought in Haslett because he felt he would run things the way Mike wanted - I also understand that there were many formations off the 3-4 that Mike and his buddy Bill thought were more effective at that time in the NFL

If you can assume that the 4-3 defense would have been 'better' in that nest season - how in the world are we not 'better' this season than last season on defense when we've had the return from injury of a number of good players This defense really sucks
MAYBE it's not the 3-4, MAYBE it's the coaching and the execution AND the STUPID salary cap BS

I am NOT defending Mike at all - I don't like him as a coach and I don't like Kyle or Jim or Ken either - the issues we're having are not because Mike came here and made some really bad mistakes …

Mike & Bruce have done some really good things in getting this franchise back on track and we are going through that process still
a lot of things do not work very well here - things are getting better

I am looking forward to not having the Shanahans but they have been VERY good for this franchise - no question

we have our QB of the future and he will be here with a new OC and a new HC ….. eventually

[SkinsJock]

btw - coaching in the NFL is a job and a lot of these coaches do not look at going from a DC to a position coach as a 'demotion'
they are still in the NFL and have a very good paying job and they are constantly trying to get better just like the players

there are quite a few HCs that would be better off as a DC or OC AND there are some OCs and DCs who would be better off being a position coach

then …. there's the bingo caller

[DarthMonk]

SJ - your last few posts seem to simply argue for the sake of arguing. Fixing something that is not broken is a common phrase and clearly applies to our good 4-3 that became a bad 3-4. As for demotions, if the alternatives are coaching DBs and not having a job, the choice is clear. Nevertheless, going from D Coordinator to DB coach is a demotion.

I tried to not sound like a dick there. I know I have sounded that way in a lot of my posts lately.

[StorminMormon86]

I'd still make the RGIII trade too.

I know fans are impatient, but I'd give up two first round picks to avoid another 20 years of futility at the QB position any day. We can NOT forget this (apologies in advance if you just ate):

2011 Rex Grossman (13) / John Beck (3)
2010 Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2009 Jason Campbell (16)
2008 Jason Campbell (16)
2007 Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2006 Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2005 Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2004 Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2003 Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2002 Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2001 Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2000 Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
1999 Brad Johnson (16)
1998 Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1997 Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1996 Gus Frerotte (16)
1995 Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1994 Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)

Wow, that's pathetic. I thought Collins played in some of 2008 as well? Or was it just in relief of Campbell?

[riggofan]

I'd still make the RGIII trade too.

I know fans are impatient, but I'd give up two first round picks to avoid another 20 years of futility at the QB position any day. We can NOT forget this (apologies in advance if you just ate):

2011 Rex Grossman (13) / John Beck (3)
2010 Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2009 Jason Campbell (16)
2008 Jason Campbell (16)
2007 Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2006 Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2005 Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2004 Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2003 Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2002 Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2001 Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2000 Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
1999 Brad Johnson (16)
1998 Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1997 Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1996 Gus Frerotte (16)
1995 Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1994 Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)

Wow, that's pathetic. I thought Collins played in some of 2008 as well? Or was it just in relief of Campbell?

Painful, right? I pulled that list off Wikipedia, so not sure if Collins played any in 2008 or not. May have been "starting QBs".

[SkinsJock]

SJ - your last few posts seem to simply argue for the sake of arguing. Fixing something that is not broken is a common phrase and clearly applies to our good 4-3 that became a bad 3-4. As for demotions, if the alternatives are coaching DBs and not having a job, the choice is clear. Nevertheless, going from D Coordinator to DB coach is a demotion.

I tried to not sound like a dick there. I know I have sounded that way in a lot of my posts lately.

no worries - technically, I agree that going from being a DC to being a position coach is a 'demotion'
there are instances where the guy is just out of his depth and while he's 'demoted' he still has a job and may benefit from the new opportunity
to me Norv Turner is really a good OC - he is not a bad HC but he's more 'value' as a OC - there are quite a few guys that I think are better off not being 'promoted'

I understand that we saw our defense go from being a good 4-3 to being a bad 3-4 - I'm not convinced that was solely due to the scheme - why is the defense this season so bad compared to last season? I know that Fletcher is older but we're seeing other guys not play as well as they did and the scheme is the same - I contend that defensive coaching by Mike & Haslett is more the cause of the defensive issues than the scheme - both now and back when we switched

I do agree with Mike and Bill Belicheat, having a good 3-4 defense is better in todays NFL than having a good 4-3 defense

I will say this - I don't think that Mike should have tried going to the 3-4

Like a lot of things that Mike does - he made a mistake that he did not need to and thought that his 'coaching' would 'save the day'


I give him credit - he and Bruce have this team on the path to success - we have the QB and were incredibly lucky to get Morris

we are getting better

[Kilmer72]

SJ - your last few posts seem to simply argue for the sake of arguing. Fixing something that is not broken is a common phrase and clearly applies to our good 4-3 that became a bad 3-4. As for demotions, if the alternatives are coaching DBs and not having a job, the choice is clear. Nevertheless, going from D Coordinator to DB coach is a demotion.

I tried to not sound like a dick there. I know I have sounded that way in a lot of my posts lately.

no worries - technically, I agree that going from being a DC to being a position coach is a 'demotion'
there are instances where the guy is just out of his depth and while he's 'demoted' he still has a job and may benefit from the new opportunity
to me Norv Turner is really a good OC - he is not a bad HC but he's more 'value' as a OC - there are quite a few guys that I think are better off not being 'promoted'

I understand that we saw our defense go from being a good 4-3 to being a bad 3-4 - I'm not convinced that was solely due to the scheme - why is the defense this season so bad compared to last season? I know that Fletcher is older but we're seeing other guys not play as well as they did and the scheme is the same - I contend that defensive coaching by Mike & Haslett is more the cause of the defensive issues than the scheme - both now and back when we switched

I do agree with Mike and Bill Belicheat, having a good 3-4 defense is better in todays NFL than having a good 4-3 defense

I will say this - I don't think that Mike should have tried going to the 3-4

Like a lot of things that Mike does - he made a mistake that he did not need to and thought that his 'coaching' would 'save the day'


I give him credit - he and Bruce have this team on the path to success - we have the QB and were incredibly lucky to get Morris

we are getting better

I don't think it is solely due to the scheme either. If you tackle better then you have a shot at being a better defense. The problem is coaching and personnel.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/re ... story.html

Because Shanahan makes every important decision, he’s responsible for every important result. In his years, Washington has ranked 20th, 22nd, 22nd and now 30th in points allowed . That’s an average ranking of 24th in a 32-team league. That’s the worst defensive standing, relative to the whole league, in the reign of any Redskins coach since Otto Graham in the ’60s.

things might be different next year with some added FA.

In Shanahan’s final two years in Denver, his Broncos ranked 28th and 30th in points allowed (409 and 448). In other words, his last two Broncos teams gave up more points than the two worst Redskins teams of the entire 16-game-season NFL era of the past 35 years.

Those Denver defenses got him fired in Colorado.

It's true he was running a 43 but he isn't Joe Gibbs. He has a hard time picking coaches that know what they are doing. Look at Burns.

[RayNAustin]

SJ - your last few posts seem to simply argue for the sake of arguing. Fixing something that is not broken is a common phrase and clearly applies to our good 4-3 that became a bad 3-4. As for demotions, if the alternatives are coaching DBs and not having a job, the choice is clear. Nevertheless, going from D Coordinator to DB coach is a demotion.

I tried to not sound like a dick there. I know I have sounded that way in a lot of my posts lately.

no worries - technically, I agree that going from being a DC to being a position coach is a 'demotion'
there are instances where the guy is just out of his depth and while he's 'demoted' he still has a job and may benefit from the new opportunity
to me Norv Turner is really a good OC - he is not a bad HC but he's more 'value' as a OC - there are quite a few guys that I think are better off not being 'promoted'

I understand that we saw our defense go from being a good 4-3 to being a bad 3-4 - I'm not convinced that was solely due to the scheme - why is the defense this season so bad compared to last season? I know that Fletcher is older but we're seeing other guys not play as well as they did and the scheme is the same - I contend that defensive coaching by Mike & Haslett is more the cause of the defensive issues than the scheme - both now and back when we switched

I do agree with Mike and Bill Belicheat, having a good 3-4 defense is better in todays NFL than having a good 4-3 defense

I will say this - I don't think that Mike should have tried going to the 3-4

Like a lot of things that Mike does - he made a mistake that he did not need to and thought that his 'coaching' would 'save the day'


I give him credit - he and Bruce have this team on the path to success - we have the QB and were incredibly lucky to get Morris

we are getting better

Right now, we're on a path to 3-8 ... with last year's superstar QB looking far from super.

That's not success,

[RayNAustin]

I'm going to rant here for a second because I really think there are a lot of you here that know very little about football.

So, anyone who does't agree with you, doesn't know much about football. Interesting. What exactly are your superior qualifications that make you such an authority?

.

- Some "brilliant person" here accused the coaches of using a Ferrari as a demolition derby car. That is just silly, they used a Ferrari as a Ferrari, they can't help it that the Ferrari drove its self into a dump truck and some pick up trucks.

That brilliant person would be me. And if you aren't too lazy to do it, go back through my posts during the earlier part of the season last year, and note my stated concern for how much they were running RG3, how many hits he was taking, and how I believed using him in that manner was much too risky, and could end in disaster.

And what actually happened? It ended in disaster. Of course, a miracle also occurred, and RG3's play was exciting ... but a disaster occurred just as I.feared And this was also voiced by many NFL analysts, noting that RG3 was not built like a Cam Newton, and might not be able to withstand the punishment. And this was a concern right out of the gate when we drafted him ... people concerned that running QB's don't last long in the NFZl. We were assured that RG3 was a throw first QB that had the ability to run too. But that's not exactly what happened, right? He ran for over 800 yards, if I recall. Those are RB numbers, not throw first QB numbers. Robert's running ability was the crack Kyle couldn't stop smoking. The temptation was too strong, so the continued, and ran him till

the wheels fell off. THAT was why I said they took a ferrari and ran him like a .demo derby car, and that IS A TRUE STATEMENT!

People here act like Kylec only has a job because of Mike. This is moronic! Kyle had the #1 passing game in Huston before coming here. He would have a job with our with it Mike. Look at this year, the team is#5 on offense with aQB that is playing poorly. Every good game they get out of Griffin, they either win or have a chance to win.

- Mike only had success with Steve Young or John Elway. Well neither of those two won a SB with out Mike either. They played for many years w/o him and never won a championship. They played with him as their coach for a few years each and they have a total of three SBs. Tom Landry never won anything w/o Roger the Dodger, same for Knoll/Bradshaw, Belicheat/Brady, or even Lombardi/Starr. So please give up those ridiculous "he never won anything with out" rants. You just sound stupid.

Mike Shanahan HAS NOT WON SQUAT since Elway retired. That's not "stupid", that's a damned fact. And he hasn't done squat here either, except a miracle finish last year that almost killed the most valuable franchise player they have that they had to trade the farm to get.

Kyle is the same story ... the Redskin offense couldn't get out of it's own way the first teo years, and only worked last year because it was a Baylor QB running a Baylor offense.

[SkinsJock]

Mike Shanahan has done a couple of really good things …

we have a FO

and

we have a franchise QB

we are on a path to seeing a consistently competitive product on the field each week

he may not be here long, but he did get this franchise started in the right direction

[Deadskins]

And if you aren't too lazy to do it, go back through my posts during the earlier part of the season last year, and note my stated concern for how much they were running RG3, how many hits he was taking, and how I believed using him in that manner was much too risky, and could end in disaster.

And what actually happened? It ended in disaster. Of course, a miracle also occurred, and RG3's play was exciting ... but a disaster occurred just as I.feared And this was also voiced by many NFL analysts, noting that RG3 was not built like a Cam Newton, and might not be able to withstand the punishment. And this was a concern right out of the gate when we drafted him ... people concerned that running QB's don't last long in the NFZl. We were assured that RG3 was a throw first QB that had the ability to run too. But that's not exactly what happened, right? He ran for over 800 yards, if I recall. Those are RB numbers, not throw first QB numbers. Robert's running ability was the crack Kyle couldn't stop smoking. The temptation was too strong, so the continued, and ran him till

the wheels fell off. THAT was why I said they took a ferrari and ran him like a .demo derby car, and that IS A TRUE STATEMENT!

Actually, it's not. The play RGIII got hurt on was not a designed running play. He was scrambling, and it was a freak accident. Now, I happen to agree with you about pulling him in the Seattle game after he re-injured the knee, but the injury in the Ravens game could have happened to Peyton Manning just as easily. It had nothing to do with Kyle's play calling or how they used RGIII, and it certainly doesn't make your, or the analysts', predictions any more correct.

[SkinsJock]

the devil is in the details and JSPB is a stickler for accuracy

[RayNAustin]

Actually, it's not. The play RGIII got hurt on was not a designed running play. He was scrambling, and it was a freak accident. Now, I happen to agree with you about pulling him in the Seattle game after he re-injured the knee, but the injury in the Ravens game could have happened to Peyton Manning just as easily. It had nothing to do with Kyle's play calling or how they used RGIII, and it certainly doesn't make your, or the analysts', predictions any more correct.

It does't matter what play was called when he got injured. This is a type of surface level analysis that is more excuse making as opposed to offering anything of value. Shanahan (both of them) have also insisted that RG3 is in just as much or more danger in the pocket, as he is running. Everyone knows that's a load of bs too.

The real point is, an offense that focused so heavily on running options, further instilled a run mentality in a young player that brought that with him already. Whether it was a designed run play, or a scramble that he got injured on is irrelevant, and coincidental ... it could just as easily been a called run.

Furthermore, I really shouldn't have to point out that wear and tear accumulates, and that accumulating stress can contribute to injury, and increases the odds of injury occurring. But it's the mindset being galvanized in a player that is already an extreme competitor who is naturally fearless that coaches need to be careful dealing with. Sure, his ability to run is a weapon not everyone has, and it's an extreme temptation to overly rely on it, but if you want this kid to be your franchise QB for the next dozen years, YOU CAN'T DO IT ... HE WON'T SURVIVE IT. So you have the choice of crafting an offense that incorporates the threat, without actually over using that and risk the health and longevity of your most valuable asset, or you can throw caution to the wind for the short term gratification and use him to save your own azz, because you can't figure out how to get the offense in gear unless RG3 is leaping tall buildings in a single bound.

I cite the decision to continue playing him hurt as just another demonstration of this staff's poor judgment. I've harped on this before, but that play they ran in which RG3 was a receiver, and ultimately got hammered by a safety, is the perfect example of extreeeeeemly poor judgment, bordering on "hey idiot ... you're fired" kinda thing.

Now we're hearing about strained relations ... not just between RG3 and the Shanahans, but some of the players too ... talk of a diva mentality, and so forth. His play this year is also a concern ... and don't give me this line about missing preseason games ... he's got 10 games under his belt, says the knee is fine, yet everything is skewed ... bad mechanics resulting in poor accuracy ... poor decisions ... reckless with ball security ... this is A COACHING ISSUE!!! I don't know the dirty details, but somebody isn't teaching, or somebody is being difficult to teach.

Hello?? Anybody looking at this with their glasses on? We already know this staff couldn't seem to get on the same page with McNabb ... there was serious tension early on, and while you all may be satisfied with accepting the company line, there are usually two sides to every story.

Just say'n

[Deadskins]

Some of what you are saying, I completely agree with, but some of it is that very "surface level analysis" you are accusing me of. Yes, hits are cumulative, and can lead to an injury over time, but that's not the case with this particular injury. His injury had absolutely nothing to do with repeated hits, or even the hit he took on that particular play. It was a freak accident that resulted from his body position causing his leg to move like a whip, and his knee hyper-extended. I have no doubt that there are coaching issues behind our poor season, and I have no love for the Shanahans either. But to crow about how you were right all along because RGIII did, in fact, sustain an injury last year is like saying the fence you put up to keep elephants out of your yard is doing it's job because you haven't had any trample your garden. Freak accidents happen. Jabari Greer landed wrong and his knee blew out. Not every injury can be so neatly put into your little "Ferrari in a demolition derby" model.

Just say'n.

[Kilmer72]

Seems I am not a believer in this quick zone blocking scheme. It's just my opinion but I have said this before and I will again. Smash mouth!!!! The NFC East despite how weak we look, is brutal and throw back. I realize we haven't done so bad against division rivals, but when you play finesse style of ball, you are giving up pass protection. (I thought this is where they would excel) Maybe it is because of mistakes made as in taking certain picks in the draft and failing. Maybe it is coaching. Maybe Shanahan is taking to much on at once. This is what Marty wanted and when things weren't looking good... a rift between Dan and Marty.

I don't know how good he was or is but can Allen actually GM this team? I mean, have him step in after the season and take over responsibilities? (Fire and hire coaches) It just seems to me that Shanahan does better when he doesn't have total control.

When you look back at the team's best period of success last season, this is an offense that operated best in motion and/or with the use of deception. Pass blocking is more difficult than run blocking and the Redskins offensive linemen are not built to operate in a phone booth. The clock for Robert Griffin III in the pocket is understandably shorter than most of his counterparts.

The automatic response to this would suggest that this is a shortcoming of this offense, but it's actually one that suits this squad. Shanahan prefers smaller, more athletic linemen to operate the zone blocking scheme in the run game.

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