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UK Skins Fan wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Are there any serious talks going on right now with any potentially game changing free agents?

I stopped seeing any articles about Jairus Byrd; he's on my wishlist.

Thoughts?

To answer the original question - NO. Obviously, there are no serious talks ongoing with prospective free agents, as that isn't allowed yet. It's against the CBA, and god knows we'd never do anything to violate the CBA. The only time we break the rules is when there aren't any to break.

free agent signings can't start til tues. but starting this year, there can be talks with unrestricted free agents (or their agents rather) starting saturday. I kind of like the idea of that because every year there's one or two stories of teams accusing other teams of tampering. I hope this fixes that...who knows

p.s. jairus byrd was franchised

Jeremy81 wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Are there any serious talks going on right now with any potentially game changing free agents?

I stopped seeing any articles about Jairus Byrd; he's on my wishlist.

Thoughts?

To answer the original question - NO. Obviously, there are no serious talks ongoing with prospective free agents, as that isn't allowed yet. It's against the CBA, and god knows we'd never do anything to violate the CBA. The only time we break the rules is when there aren't any to break.

free agent signings can't start til tues. but starting this year, there can be talks with unrestricted free agents (or their agents rather) starting saturday. I kind of like the idea of that because every year there's one or two stories of teams accusing other teams of tampering. I hope this fixes that...who knows

p.s. jairus byrd was franchised

I knew about the legal "tampering" period, and it seems sensible. Trying to stop agents and management from negotiating before the start of free agency was just rowing against an overwhelming tide.

aaron ross released....DBs are stacking up! could be a bad sign for D Hall

This is all depending on if we cut d hall and get a little more cap space after that bit... If we have the money, there was one receiver who ate us up this year and was a big reason for our first lose. Danny Amendola killed us against the rams, and with Tana getting old and his cap hit we could probably cut Tana and hall and use that money to make a move on amendola, I know we have much bigger needs than wr, but what do you guys think of it?

fetus wrote:This is all depending on if we cut d hall and get a little more cap space after that bit... If we have the money, there was one receiver who ate us up this year and was a big reason for our first lose. Danny Amendola killed us against the rams, and with Tana getting old and his cap hit we could probably cut Tana and hall and use that money to make a move on amendola, I know we have much bigger needs than wr, but what do you guys think of it?

Amendola is hurt often. It doesn't matter if he would be a perfect fit and I agree he would, but we just have too little cap room to spend it on an injury prone WR.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

fetus wrote:This is all depending on if we cut d hall and get a little more cap space after that bit... If we have the money, there was one receiver who ate us up this year and was a big reason for our first lose. Danny Amendola killed us against the rams, and with Tana getting old and his cap hit we could probably cut Tana and hall and use that money to make a move on amendola, I know we have much bigger needs than wr, but what do you guys think of it?

Amendola is hurt often. It doesn't matter if he would be a perfect fit and I agree he would, but we just have too little cap room to spend it on an injury prone WR.

Julian Edelman would be a better option considering the cap, then again he'd cost about a third of what they would save cutting Moss, whom he'd spilt playing time with. He's only hitting the market because he wants more PT so he won't break the bank with his asking price

1niksder wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

fetus wrote:This is all depending on if we cut d hall and get a little more cap space after that bit... If we have the money, there was one receiver who ate us up this year and was a big reason for our first lose. Danny Amendola killed us against the rams, and with Tana getting old and his cap hit we could probably cut Tana and hall and use that money to make a move on amendola, I know we have much bigger needs than wr, but what do you guys think of it?

Amendola is hurt often. It doesn't matter if he would be a perfect fit and I agree he would, but we just have too little cap room to spend it on an injury prone WR.

Julian Edelman would be a better option considering the cap, then again he'd cost about a third of what they would save cutting Moss, whom he'd spilt playing time with. He's only hitting the market because he wants more PT so he won't break the bank with his asking price

How would he and Moss split timt if they cut Santana?

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1niksder wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

fetus wrote:This is all depending on if we cut d hall and get a little more cap space after that bit... If we have the money, there was one receiver who ate us up this year and was a big reason for our first lose. Danny Amendola killed us against the rams, and with Tana getting old and his cap hit we could probably cut Tana and hall and use that money to make a move on amendola, I know we have much bigger needs than wr, but what do you guys think of it?

Amendola is hurt often. It doesn't matter if he would be a perfect fit and I agree he would, but we just have too little cap room to spend it on an injury prone WR.

Julian Edelman would be a better option considering the cap, then again he'd cost about a third of what they would save cutting Moss, whom he'd spilt playing time with. He's only hitting the market because he wants more PT so he won't break the bank with his asking price

How would he and Moss split timt if they cut Santana?

I'm just saying... I don't think his asking price would require Moss to be cut, but they both play the slot and IF Moss stays on the roster up to training camp Edelman might make him expendable. If they plan on releasing Moss prior to FA then they can "sign three" Edrlmans based on Edelman's market value and Moss' cap savings. I wouldn't outright cut Moss withput knowing his replacement was on the roster.

Last season Moss showed signs that he can do things many here said he couldn't do anymore, more importantly he became a security blanket for RGIII(to this day I say that pass that Paulsen caught after RGIII made the Gints pass rushers look silly was only thrown because Bob saw Tana.

I did not know that Edleman was a FA, well then I would def spend less money on Edleman and forget about Amendola.

If we could keep Edleman and Tana on the roster together that would be great, let him learn from Moss for the 2 years that Moss could possibly have left.

My whole cutting Moss theory is just that, i don't want Santana to go but was just saying this because of his age. He did show that he still has what it takes to be an effective slot receiver, this past season

fetus wrote:I did not know that Edleman was a FA, well then I would def spend less money on Edleman and forget about Amendola.

If we could keep Edleman and Tana on the roster together that would be great, let him learn from Moss for the 2 years that Moss could possibly have left.

My whole cutting Moss theory is just that, i don't want Santana to go but was just saying this because of his age. He did show that he still has what it takes to be an effective slot receiver, this past season

?He had a QB last year, over the years when you named "weapons" on the Redskins roster... if you named Moss I bet there wasn't a QB in the group.

1niksder wrote: ... I don't think his (Edelman) asking price would require Moss to be cut, but they both play the slot and IF Moss stays on the roster up to training camp Edelman might make him expendable. If they plan on releasing Moss prior to FA then they can "sign three" Edrlmans based on Edelman's market value and Moss' cap savings.
I wouldn't outright cut Moss withput knowing his replacement was on the roster.

Last season Moss showed signs that he can do things many here said he couldn't do anymore, more importantly he became a security blanket for RGIII (to this day I say that pass that Paulsen caught after RGIII made the Gints pass rushers look silly was only thrown because Bob saw Tana.

IF we did bring in Edelman - I would not mind having both he and Santana on the roster - unlikely given the cost ... but ...

1niksder wrote:

fetus wrote:I did not know that Edleman was a FA, well then I would def spend less money on Edleman and forget about Amendola.

If we could keep Edleman and Tana on the roster together that would be great, let him learn from Moss for the 2 years that Moss could possibly have left.

My whole cutting Moss theory is just that, i don't want Santana to go but was just saying this because of his age. He did show that he still has what it takes to be an effective slot receiver, this past season

?He had a QB last year, over the years when you named "weapons" on the Redskins roster... if you named Moss I bet there wasn't a QB in the group.

I'm not grasping what you are trying to tell me here....

Though we've seen how reliable "sources with knowledge of the situation" are, but there's been a lot of talk about us not re-signing Santana Moss.

I certainly hope this is just another baseless rumor...I think that could destroy us. No, I don't think he's the best WR on the team; he's just extremely reliable and is still getting the job done.

A bit worried about this...

speculating about how good or bad things are going to be is part of the 'process' and especially at this time of year

it really means very little - it's just a part of the NFL - enjoy it

things are NEVER as bad OR as good as most 'experts' predict


this is a team game and adding a player or losing a player is NOT making or breaking a franchise's potential to make the playoffs

some teams have major overhauls to go through and it is going to take time before they are playoff contenders

we have some issues but we're going to be in the mix to win the NFC East - no matter who is playing ...

we have RG3

he makes coaches look great

he makes players look incredibly talented

and he can also attract players & coaches from other teams

everybody wants to be a part of the franchise that has a great QB

SkinsJock wrote:we have RG3

he makes coaches look great

he makes players look incredibly talented

and he can also attract players & coaches from other teams

everybody wants to be a part of the franchise that has a great QB

The kid is amazing but let's not go overboard. There are plenty of coaches that could have made him look terrible. And his fellow players also made him look good and bailed him out at times too. It's definitely a two-way street.

fetus wrote:

1niksder wrote:

fetus wrote:I did not know that Edleman was a FA, well then I would def spend less money on Edleman and forget about Amendola.

If we could keep Edleman and Tana on the roster together that would be great, let him learn from Moss for the 2 years that Moss could possibly have left.

My whole cutting Moss theory is just that, i don't want Santana to go but was just saying this because of his age. He did show that he still has what it takes to be an effective slot receiver, this past season

?He had a QB last year, over the years when you named "weapons" on the Redskins roster... if you named Moss I bet there wasn't a QB in the group.

I'm not grasping what you are trying to tell me here....

I'm not trying to tell you anything... just agreeing with you.

A little frustrating on the patience side of things, but we might be waiting a little longer than we expected.

Per Shanny's presser on 3/11 (redskins.com), he suggested (paraphrasing) that they weren't going to be considering much more FA signings until later in the draft where they see where they are.

Secondly, with that comment and Shanny's other comment on not being able to properly evaluate Davis until later in the spring, we might not even see us re-signing Davis until a bit later. They were saying that he could take up to a year to be ready which in that worse-case situation would put him in around week 7.

Anyway not being negative, just thinking out loud to take care of my own expectations to avoid disappointment.

Let us all be reminded that Shanahan rarely makes mistakes in the draft & FA. At worst, we're just gonna have to wait a bit longer for our future signings. At least we know we have options to plug up holes this year.

With what Davis said about wanting to be happy, hopefully the FO can keep sweet talking him to be patient and hold out for us.

Perhaps we might even get D. Hall back at a good price.

My God, what's become of me?? I'm wanting us to get Davis & Hall back Never thought I'd see the day

^^ g'day - I think a part of you're post is correct ...

there's a good chance we'll see Davis playing in B&G on opening day and a slightly less than good chance we'll see Hall on the roster on opening day

1 thing we all know - the ONLY time Mike Shanahan is lying about his players IS when he's discussing them with the media or the fans
apart from those few times, he's just stretching the truth ... a little

SkinsJock wrote:^^ g'day - I think a part of you're post is correct ...

there's a good chance we'll see Davis playing in B&G on opening day and a slightly less than good chance we'll see Hall on the roster on opening day

1 thing we all know - the ONLY time Mike Shanahan is lying about his players IS when he's discussing them with the media or the fans
apart from those few times, he's just stretching the truth ... a little

I hope so my friend. Can't wait to see our latest cap #'s.

Would love to see us get Davis & a good CB before the draft, but we'll just have to wait & see

The Redskins are going to have to really role the dice on guys in order to field a competitive team. It got me thinking. Who's a guy out there who fills a spot for us, was a mega huge talent but is going to need to take a 1 year "prove it" deal at the minimum for next season?

It's Kellen Winslow Jr!

Seriously, if we miss out on Davis... why not Winslow? He was an elite talent. Shanahan knows TE's. He molded Shannon Sharpe. Isn't Winslow the type of guy who represents a good risk? The Patriots sure thought so.

Winslow would have an opportunity to earn playing time here. He could show his stuff before cashing in. A prove it deal would be perfect for both sides.

Skinsfan55 wrote:The Redskins are going to have to really role the dice on guys in order to field a competitive team. It got me thinking. Who's a guy out there who fills a spot for us, was a mega huge talent but is going to need to take a 1 year "prove it" deal at the minimum for next season?

It's Kellen Winslow Jr!

Seriously, if we miss out on Davis... why not Winslow? He was an elite talent. Shanahan knows TE's. He molded Shannon Sharpe. Isn't Winslow the type of guy who represents a good risk? The Patriots sure thought so.

Winslow would have an opportunity to earn playing time here. He could show his stuff before cashing in. A prove it deal would be perfect for both sides.

How far below the cap at we currently and what is his approximate "worth"?

I think w/ the exception of Davis & Hall, Shanahan has checked out of the FA market until "midway through the draft". Check out his press conference on redskins.com for 3/11; he implies his reliance on the upcoming draft.

I'd like to see it happen sooner, but Shanahan also mentioned the FO wouldn't be able to see where Davis truly is until half way into Spring.

Might see something sooner, but seems more likely that we won't see much more this year besides the draft.

2 things - We're most likely getting Davis back - this team is not in dire straits

Davis: - because of his injury, I doubt he's getting a contract big enough to entice him to leave - His best contract is the next one (NOT this one) - he stays to earn it

current status: - the team primarily needs to address the secondary & the RT - that can happen w/FA additions + the draft
PLUS - players we currently have stepping it up a notch


we're not in great shape but we are better off than we were last pre-season and that was a team that got better as the regular season went on DESPITE some bad injuries

SkinsJock wrote:2 things - We're most likely getting Davis back - this team is not in dire straits

Davis: - because of his injury, I doubt he's getting a contract big enough to entice him to leave - His best contract is the next one (NOT this one) - he stays to earn it

current status: - the team primarily needs to address the secondary & the RT - that can happen w/FA additions + the draft
PLUS - players we currently have stepping it up a notch


we're not in great shape but we are better off than we were last pre-season and that was a team that got better as the regular season went on DESPITE some bad injuries

Only "concerning" news I've heard about us resigning Davis is that "both sides are far apart financially." After all his talk about happiness over money, I hope he isn't asking for too much.

If its strictly in the context of our cap situation, I understand.

Source is here, paragraph 11:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/re ... story.html

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:The Redskins are going to have to really role the dice on guys in order to field a competitive team. It got me thinking. Who's a guy out there who fills a spot for us, was a mega huge talent but is going to need to take a 1 year "prove it" deal at the minimum for next season?

It's Kellen Winslow Jr!

Seriously, if we miss out on Davis... why not Winslow? He was an elite talent. Shanahan knows TE's. He molded Shannon Sharpe. Isn't Winslow the type of guy who represents a good risk? The Patriots sure thought so.

Winslow would have an opportunity to earn playing time here. He could show his stuff before cashing in. A prove it deal would be perfect for both sides.

How far below the cap at we currently and what is his approximate "worth"?

I think w/ the exception of Davis & Hall, Shanahan has checked out of the FA market until "midway through the draft". Check out his press conference on redskins.com for 3/11; he implies his reliance on the upcoming draft.

I'd like to see it happen sooner, but Shanahan also mentioned the FO wouldn't be able to see where Davis truly is until half way into Spring.

Might see something sooner, but seems more likely that we won't see much more this year besides the draft.

+1

And, this is the smart way to approach it. See what happens in the Draft. What player(s) fall to the Redskins that perhaps they have rated highly. Then make a measured decision on any free agents to supplement the roster going into training camp.

I read that the Redskins are talking to Rex Grossman's agent.

The Hogster wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:The Redskins are going to have to really role the dice on guys in order to field a competitive team. It got me thinking. Who's a guy out there who fills a spot for us, was a mega huge talent but is going to need to take a 1 year "prove it" deal at the minimum for next season?

It's Kellen Winslow Jr!

Seriously, if we miss out on Davis... why not Winslow? He was an elite talent. Shanahan knows TE's. He molded Shannon Sharpe. Isn't Winslow the type of guy who represents a good risk? The Patriots sure thought so.

Winslow would have an opportunity to earn playing time here. He could show his stuff before cashing in. A prove it deal would be perfect for both sides.

How far below the cap at we currently and what is his approximate "worth"?

I think w/ the exception of Davis & Hall, Shanahan has checked out of the FA market until "midway through the draft". Check out his press conference on redskins.com for 3/11; he implies his reliance on the upcoming draft.

I'd like to see it happen sooner, but Shanahan also mentioned the FO wouldn't be able to see where Davis truly is until half way into Spring.

Might see something sooner, but seems more likely that we won't see much more this year besides the draft.

+1

And, this is the smart way to approach it. See what happens in the Draft. What player(s) fall to the Redskins that perhaps they have rated highly. Then make a measured decision on any free agents to supplement the roster going into training camp.

I read that the Redskins are talking to Rex Grossman's agent.

Yeah I still think Rex is valuable to us. Not sure how expensive he'll be, but as a third string QB (second if RG3 isn't ready), I don't suspect he'd be too bad.

Unless there's a better option around the same price.

We could have him fill in for Cousins, you know, do some ol read option, all of us sitting back on the couch w/ popcorn temporarily routing for the linebacker closing in on him

Dude can play decent in short time frames though. I was always frustrated with his consistency.