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cleg wrote:I can speak for myself when I say it is hard to fight the urge not to assume the worse when it comes to the Redskins. Honestly, there was not an outcome that could have been much worse and to have to watch it play out and know it was going to most likely happen was awful.

With a couple days vision I feel better about everything. Remember it really is not that important in our lives. I was reminded of this while reading Captain Underpants to my son on Sunday night - that is what is important.

That said, it was an egregous mistake by Shanny and I hate the idea that this 22 year old kid has to go through this now. At this point I am hoping for the best and prepared for the worst which would be to not see RGIII on the field until 2014.

DarthMonk wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:I have a very good friend a Dr. Daniel Gordon that does MRI's and he said that if its a partial tear surgery won't be needed. If it's a full tear we are screwed 9-12 months FAST HEALER 12-14 months NORMAL HEALER....
Either way if it's more than partial tears we are screwed, Kirk Cousins will be the starter most likely next year.

OK - PLEASE ask your "very good friend" to explain how A P was able to do what he did THIS season after the injury to his knee in December 2011

September is 9 months after December and AP is a fast healer.

How did I do?

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

grampi wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:I think based on this it's reasonable to assume that Kirk Cousins is our starting QB next year with Rex backing him up.......Or will there be a mob screaming that hey if Adrian Peterson can do it so can RG3, even though they are two totally different people, and circumstances.......

Why assume the worst? Many NFL players have come back the following season and played as good or better than they did before with much worse knee injuries than the one RGIII has.

Especially coming from you, this is a monumental post!

The doom and gloom never ends for redskins nation.. MOST players come back the following year. ACL reconstruction isn't a big deal these days.. Tiger woods injury was probably the same severity. I hope they don't have to use a hamstring graft like mine.. my hammy flares up every now and then now. -anything is better then a cadavers ACL tho

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:I will NEVER consider a player selfish for wanting to be in the game. I WANT that. I don't expect the player to be objective about himself... that's the coach's job. jeeze.

When someone constantly says in a presser that he wanted to be kept in so he could win the game because he (not the team) deserved to be there and win it, then yes, I consider that selfish. Not to mention disrespectful as hell to Cousins by continuing to inisit he was the best chance to win that game. I'm starting to become alarmed by people's love for RGIII over the team as a whole. The guy is not invincible. He is young, a rookie, and yes he can make mistakes and come off as selfish from time to time. He will only get better with time.

RayNAustin wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:I have a very good friend a Dr. Daniel Gordon that does MRI's and he said that if its a partial tear surgery won't be needed. If it's a full tear we are screwed 9-12 months FAST HEALER 12-14 months NORMAL HEALER....
Either way if it's more than partial tears we are screwed, Kirk Cousins will be the starter most likely next year.

OK - PLEASE ask your "very good friend" to explain how A P was able to do what he did THIS season after the injury to his knee in December 2011

September is 9 months after December and AP is a fast healer.

How did I do?

Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III suffered a partially torn lateral collateral ligament in his right knee during Sunday's playoff game against the Seahawks, a source said.

Griffin also likely tore at least part of his anterior cruciate ligament (ACL), but it's unknown how severe it is because a previous knee injury he suffered at Baylor in 2009 required two screws and a rubber band to hold it together. Because of the previous injury, doctors initially could not determine Monday if his ACL was partially or completely torn and doctors don't know what surgery should be performed.

The Washington Post reported earlier that Griffin's MRI suggested partial tears to the ACL and LCL.

Griffin, who entered Sunday's wild-card playoff game already nursing a previously sprained LCL in the same knee, appeared to tweak the knee on a pass attempt in the first quarter and then left the game in the fourth quarter after twisting his leg while attempting to recover a muffed shotgun snap.

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said in a news conference Monday the results of the MRI are prompting the team to send Griffin to Pensacola, Fla., on Tuesday to see orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, who serves as a Redskins' physician, for further examinations to determine how to proceed.

"There is a concern," Shanahan said. "That's why he's going to see him."

Andrews, meanwhile, tried to clarify comments he made Sunday to USA Today that he didn't clear Griffin to return to the Dec. 9 game in which he originally hurt his knee, as Shanahan had claimed the following day.

On Monday, Andrews told The Washington Post that "Shanahan didn't lie about it, and I didn't lie."

"I didn't get to examine (Griffin's knee) because he came out for one play, didn't let us look at him and on the next play, he ran through all the players and back out onto the field," he told the newspaper.

"Coach Shanahan looks at me like, 'Is he OK?' and I give him the 'Hi' sign as in, 'He's running around, so I guess he's OK.' But I didn't get to check him out until after the game. It was just a communication problem. Heat of battle. I didn't get to tell him I didn't get to examine the knee. Mike Shanahan would never have put him out there at risk just to win a game."


I think based on this it's reasonable to assume that Kirk Cousins is our starting QB next year with Rex backing him up.......Or will there be a mob screaming that hey if Adrian Peterson can do it so can RG3, even though they are two totally different people, and circumstances.......

I was hoping Griff would be pulled when he jogged for a 9 yard gain because the Seattle D no longer saw him as a threat and all his throws were high.

I am mentally prepared to see Kirk start at least until the bye.

Both of the above were reasons for drafting Kirk. I'll say the staff was preening after the Brown game. They did not show that same confidence "in the heat of battle" this past Sunday.

Let me ask you a "hypothetical" question. Let's say you're a rich man, and you buy yourself a Lamborgini Aventador. Your Son comes to you and says .. Dad, can I take Sally out in the Lambi Saturday night? And you say, OK son ... but no fooling around ... you drive carefully, and no hot rodding and hot dogging .. he says OK. In the wee hours of Sunday Morning, Junior comes back home in a cab, with a tow truck towing the Lamborghini with a smashed up front end ... engine knocking, and all the rubber burned off the back tires ..... are you going to fix that car, or get a new one, and hand him the keys to it AGAIN?

Well that's PRECISELY what Mike and Kyle did to Dan Snyder's RG3 Lamborghini ... only RG3 is worth 25 times as much.

grampi wrote:

cleg wrote:I can speak for myself when I say it is hard to fight the urge not to assume the worse when it comes to the Redskins. Honestly, there was not an outcome that could have been much worse and to have to watch it play out and know it was going to most likely happen was awful.

With a couple days vision I feel better about everything. Remember it really is not that important in our lives. I was reminded of this while reading Captain Underpants to my son on Sunday night - that is what is important.

That said, it was an egregous mistake by Shanny and I hate the idea that this 22 year old kid has to go through this now. At this point I am hoping for the best and prepared for the worst which would be to not see RGIII on the field until 2014.

All I will say is I'm not worried about it. RGIII is young and I'm sure he will be ready to play next season and he'll be better than ever. It isn't like this is his 5th or 6th injury to that knee so it's not a cronic thing...

SkinsJock wrote:It's just frustrating hearing fans provide "stuff" and nobody wants to just let Dr Andrews make a determination

some act as if they are "right" about predicting what will happen here

WHO GIVES A STUFF .... NOBODY

let me know as soon as you can - ONLY post what Dr Andrews has found - I could care less what some quack thinks about RG3's prognosis

Countertrey wrote:You know... once is plenty... it's not necessary to post the same comment in multiple threads... seriously... most of us read each thread that has new stuff...

RayNAustin wrote:Now hear this .... you can bet you last penny in that little piggy bank that Shanahan and advisors are, in the meantime, studying every single play that Robert was involved hoping to find plausible evidence that the real damage occurred on that final play, rather than on the early play in the 1st Quarter's second drive where RG3 pulled up lame on that roll out right, because, if that is indeed the case, and I'm convinced that it is, then that would mean they allowed RG3 back out on the field to play for 3 more Quarters on a torn ACL, causing greater damage to occur throughout that time. That would re-categorize this from just an injury, to gross negligence, and might even demand a League response, and certainly a possible action from the NFLPA. And it doesn't matter one tiny little bit about Robert claiming to be OK ... we all saw him hobbling out there, and that's just the reality. Shanahan cannot legitimately claim that he didn't realize he was actually injured. That dog don't hunt.

NYFINESTSKINSFAN wrote:I'm not on the fire Shanahan bandwagan, but I just can't get past what in the hell was Mike thinking leaving RGIII in the game after he injured his knee in the second quarter. You see him hobbling around all over the place. I'm sure RGIII will one day make a full recovery, but it will now be later than sooner.

HEROHAMO wrote:The prognosis has already been given. The bad news is he tore his ACL. I am no orthopaedist but have had the same injury and have about 15 years experience with this type of injury.

For those who dont know, an ACL tear cannot heal on its own. He is going to have surgery if he wants to repair his knee.

Some are waiting is if there is good news coming. You just need to know that once the ACL is torn thats it. Surgery is required. He will be out at least 8 months.

Ill give some good news if any for what its worth. The good news is arthroscopy is as advanced as its ever been. Just take a look at Adrian Peterson. He was back in less than a year.

If this were the sixties RG3s career might be over. Remember Gale Sayers had a similar injury. However I don't think they had arthroscopy in those days.
Also consider the fact that RG3 was walking after the injury. That is a very good sign as well.
RG3 has also been through this before. He knows how to come back from this.

Tom Brady came back from a worse knee injury. Peyton Manning came back from a freaking neck injury(far worse). Adrian Peterson is a running back and he came back. A running back needs to be mobile far more then a QB does.

He will be back next year. I expect him to be back by game two. He will sit out the pre season obviously.

My main concern is RG3. Can he keep himself off the field when he is hurt? Other then that I sure he will be back.

Yikes...Dr. Dreese at Univ of Md. tells WAPO that LCL surgery and rehab could take 8-12 months & could be longer than ACL rehab. #Redskins

Rivers had quick ACL tear recovery in 2008

We don’t know how long it will take Robert Griffin III to recover from whatever injuries he might have to his right knee. But we do know that a torn ACL suffered in January does not necessarily to keep a quarterback out of action the next season.

Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers tore the ACL in his right knee in a divisional round playoff game against the Colts following the 2007 season. He gave way to backup Billy Volek for the remainder of that game and San Diego won. Rivers had arthroscopic surgery to clean out the knee after the game and he played the entire AFC Championship game against the Patriots the following week without an ACL in his right knee. The Chargers lost, making it a moot point that Rivers probably could not have played in the Super Bowl if the Chargers had won.

He had reconstructive surgery soon after the game. Exactly 100 days later he was on the practice field for minicamp. Rivers started all 16 games for the Chargers in 2008, passing for over 4,000 yards and leading the league in touchdown passes (34), yards per pass attempt (8.4), and passer rating (105.5).

There certainly are some differences between the cases Rivers and RG3 with the most important being that Griffin previously tore the same ACL that is injured now and it was the first major injury to the knee for Rivers. Rivers’ comeback season was his fifth in the NFL and his third as a starter. If Griffin misses a lot of offseason prep time that could hurt his 2013 performance more than any time the more experienced Rivers may have missed. Also, Griffin may have suffered more damage to other ligaments than did Rivers. All of these factors could have an effect on the timing and quality of Griffin’s 2013 comeback.

Most importantly, injuries are different and athletes recover from them at different rates. Griffin could have an injury identical to Rivers’ and it could take him longer to recover. Or it might not take him as long, although that would be surprising since Rivers’ recovery was quick, almost to the point of being Adrian Peterson miraculous.

So this is not to say that if RG3 does have a torn ACL we should be able to count on him not only being ready to play when the NFL season starts in about eight months but ready to play at a high level. His recovery could well take longer than that of Rivers. But a January ACL tear does not automatically doom a quarterback to missing time in September or having a subpar season.

Posted by Rich Tandler on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 at 10:55 AM in 2013 Offseason | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)