Trade Cousins

[Deadskins]

The franchise couldn't care less about Cousins' interests unless they happen to coincide with their own.

[DarthMonk]

The FO (not Cousins) will decide what to do and I'm fairly sure that 'decision' will be in Cousins best interest also ... and that ain't happening soon

that's just my opinion

The decisions each party makes will affect the decisions of the other party.

The decisions other teams make will have their effects as well.

In his next to last year we will begin soliciting/entertaining offers (if not sooner). If the offers are strong, he will be traded. If they are not, it could get interesting. There are scenarios where we could make him a contract offer. Him accepting could keep him here or even make him more trade-able. Him not accepting makes him a free agent and once other teams know that, his trade value could begin to slip.

It's fluid and both parties have a huge say in what happens.

Cousins is not the same piece of meat players from the '50s were.

That's a fact.

[SkinsJock]

The decisions each party makes will affect the decisions of the other party. The decisions other teams make will have their effects as well.

In his next to last year we will begin soliciting/entertaining offers (if not sooner). If the offers are strong, he will be traded. If they are not, it could get interesting. There are scenarios where we could make him a contract offer. Him accepting could keep him here or even make him more trade-able. Him not accepting makes him a free agent and once other teams know that, his trade value could begin to slip.

It's fluid and both parties have a huge say in what happens.

Cousins is not the same piece of meat players from the '50s were.

That's a fact.

wow - thanks for clearing that up for us

[langleyparkjoe]

Yea I'm gonna need everyone to stop the madness about trading Cousins ok? Honestly, it's just dumb.

[StorminMormon86]

We need someone who could come in and take the reigns as if nothing has changed. Besides the speed, who else (besides Cousins) could we realistically get that would be better? The trade talk is nonsense.

[langleyparkjoe]

We need someone who could come in and take the reigns as if nothing has changed. Besides the speed, who else (besides Cousins) could we realistically get that would be better? The trade talk is nonsense.

Stop making sense dude, what the heck is your problem?

[DarthMonk]

The decisions each party makes will affect the decisions of the other party. The decisions other teams make will have their effects as well.

In his next to last year we will begin soliciting/entertaining offers (if not sooner). If the offers are strong, he will be traded. If they are not, it could get interesting. There are scenarios where we could make him a contract offer. Him accepting could keep him here or even make him more trade-able. Him not accepting makes him a free agent and once other teams know that, his trade value could begin to slip.

It's fluid and both parties have a huge say in what happens.

Cousins is not the same piece of meat players from the '50s were.

That's a fact.

wow - thanks for clearing that up for us

You're welcome. Someone had to do it and I didn't see it coming from your keyboard.

The FO (not Cousins) will decide what to do

[SkinsJock]

we shall see how this plays out

I'm looking for the FO to make the right decision regarding Cousins - but we'll see ....

[KazooSkinsFan]

:lol: we shall see how this plays out

I'm looking for the FO to make the right decision regarding Cousins - but we'll see ....

The "FO" has been clear. They aren't shopping him. It would be stupid to do that right now. And no one's offering us enough to make them interested at this point.

It's win win for other teams too. He was a fourth round pick for a reason, and he's got a so-so arm. Why overpay now then spend the next couple years of their own time developing him when we're already doing it? And then they can assess better if he's worth it or not.

The whole thing currently is a figment in the minds of some of the sillier people who post on places like Redskin message boards. There is no reason to trade him, there is no reason to pay us what it would take.

[welch]

You don't trade Cousins

You listen politely to offers before turning down anything less than a first rounder and hope for a bidding war. Lots of teams need a QB and this year seems to have a limited amount of starting quality QBs.

Doesn't mean there aren't any potential back-up QBs in there

+1.

Cousins ought to get plenty of playing time in pre-season, and mop up work in the regular season. Cousins can fill in for Griffin without the offense shattering. That's a quality 2nd string QB. Players get hurt. No reason to expect that Griffin goes through the aseason without some aches.

[num1skinsfan]

Keep Cousins until RGIII has tested knee, 16 game plus playoffs is a long run. Need quality backups in all positions.

[emoses14]

:lol: we shall see how this plays out

I'm looking for the FO to make the right decision regarding Cousins - but we'll see ....

The "FO" has been clear. They aren't shopping him. It would be stupid to do that right now. And no one's offering us enough to make them interested at this point.

It's win win for other teams too. He was a fourth round pick for a reason, and he's got a so-so arm. Why overpay now then spend the next couple years of their own time developing him when we're already doing it? And then they can assess better if he's worth it or not.

The whole thing currently is a figment in the minds of some of the sillier people who post on places like Redskin message boards. There is no reason to trade him, there is no reason to pay us what it would take.

My very quiet thought (hope?) is that while showing extreme competency in a backup role, there is not enough shown to exhibit true starter quality (Yes, I think he's better than that, too. Now shut up.) in Cousins. Then no team offers enough to warrant a trade (remembering the Matt Flynn seattle debacle and instead opt for bumper rookie QB crops that year and the next) and his agent gets scared, he resigns with the skins for a pretty good back up paycheck extending his rookie deal and he sticks around as our back up for an extra 2-4 years. I love Kirk, like a lot, but after that, I don't care if he walks, we get a trade for him or anything in between. We've already won with his pick today, let alone if that scenario plays out.

[KazooSkinsFan]

:lol: we shall see how this plays out

I'm looking for the FO to make the right decision regarding Cousins - but we'll see ....

The "FO" has been clear. They aren't shopping him. It would be stupid to do that right now. And no one's offering us enough to make them interested at this point.

It's win win for other teams too. He was a fourth round pick for a reason, and he's got a so-so arm. Why overpay now then spend the next couple years of their own time developing him when we're already doing it? And then they can assess better if he's worth it or not.

The whole thing currently is a figment in the minds of some of the sillier people who post on places like Redskin message boards. There is no reason to trade him, there is no reason to pay us what it would take.

My very quiet thought (hope?) is that while showing extreme competency in a backup role, there is not enough shown to exhibit true starter quality (Yes, I think he's better than that, too. Now shut up.) in Cousins. Then no team offers enough to warrant a trade (remembering the Matt Flynn seattle debacle and instead opt for bumper rookie QB crops that year and the next) and his agent gets scared, he resigns with the skins for a pretty good back up paycheck extending his rookie deal and he sticks around as our back up for an extra 2-4 years. I love Kirk, like a lot, but after that, I don't care if he walks, we get a trade for him or anything in between. We've already won with his pick today, let alone if that scenario plays out.

You could be right, but I think before he'd do that he'd want to play out his rookie contract and see if he could get a starting gig.

My prediction is we hold on to him for two more years, then when there's one year left on his rookie deal we trade him for a second rounder. More than we paid, but to your point not exactly a Matt Flynn deal.

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

The franchise couldn't care less about Cousins' interests unless they happen to coincide with their own.

+1

[RedskininSlidell]

I think they will test the waters after this year if RG3 stays healthy. I think somewhere around an 2nd and 3rd would get the job done. Then the front office would draft a backup qb that can run the read offense better than Cousins.

[KazooSkinsFan]

The franchise couldn't care less about Cousins' interests unless they happen to coincide with their own.

Ridiculous post. You know nothing about business.

Successful management aligns the interest of their customers, their employees and themselves. None of the three succeed without the other two.

[StorminMormon86]

The franchise couldn't care less about Cousins' interests unless they happen to coincide with their own.

Ridiculous post. You know nothing about business.

Successful management aligns the interest of their customers, their employees and themselves. None of the three succeed without the other two.

+1

If Cousins expressed a desire to stay with the Skins, there's no doubt the organization would try to make it happen.

[Irn-Bru]

I doubt he will desire it in the long-run, though. Cousins is a winner and winners want to take control on the field.

[StorminMormon86]

I doubt he will desire it in the long-run, though. Cousins is a winner and winners want to take control on the field.

Don't get me wrong, there's no doubt in my mind if Cousins reads the writing on the wall (if Griffin remains in full health for the next two years, mind you) he'll want to go somewhere were he can start.

[Deadskins]

The franchise couldn't care less about Cousins' interests unless they happen to coincide with their own.

Ridiculous post. You know nothing about business.

Successful management aligns the interest of their customers, their employees and themselves. None of the three succeed without the other two.

So, in other words, you're saying their interests must coincide.

What's ridiculous is that you think that an NFL franchise is like a normal business. Right now there are about 40 employees whose interests are in making the team, but three weeks from now, the franchise will make a decision to cut those players, because it's in its own interests. So sorry, that's the way this business works.

[Deadskins]

The franchise couldn't care less about Cousins' interests unless they happen to coincide with their own.

Ridiculous post. You know nothing about business.

Successful management aligns the interest of their customers, their employees and themselves. None of the three succeed without the other two.

+1

If Cousins expressed a desire to stay with the Skins, there's no doubt the organization would try to make it happen.

Then their interests would coincide. It's pretty simple. the franchise will do what's in it's own interests. If they got an offer of Herschel Walker proportions, are you saying they wouldn't pull the trigger because Cousins wants to stay? Get real.

[KazooSkinsFan]

The franchise couldn't care less about Cousins' interests unless they happen to coincide with their own.

Ridiculous post. You know nothing about business.

Successful management aligns the interest of their customers, their employees and themselves. None of the three succeed without the other two.

+1

If Cousins expressed a desire to stay with the Skins, there's no doubt the organization would try to make it happen.

Then their interests would coincide. It's pretty simple. the franchise will do what's in it's own interests. If they got an offer of Herschel Walker proportions, are you saying they wouldn't pull the trigger because Cousins wants to stay? Get real.

The NFL is exactly like a normal business. You have to understand the dynamics of any business to succeed. Good business practices are agnostic. You're talking to a guy who spent half my career in GE rotating through businesses (GE Information Services, Nuclear, Power Systems, Capital and Consumer Finance) and the other half in management consulting in a plethora of industries before owning three businesses in three different industries. Managers who fail always start by saying business in their industry is "different." Industries have different dynamics, good business doesn't change. Understanding the dynamics of an industry is part of good business practices, not counter to them.

On the content, you completely didn't understand my point. You said they "don't care" about Cousins which is ridiculous, management does care about their employees. And you stated it as if they are passive, "happen to." Good business makes their incentives align, it doesn't just sit there and hope it happens. You can't turn a fry cook into an astronaut, but you better believe they are working with Cousins to make him happy in his role. It's active.

And you're wrong again about your cuts comment. It's not management's job to align their interests with the people who don't make it, it's their job to align their interests with the people who do. I started managing people six months out of college. In one of my earlier jobs, I had a guy I gave exactly three too many chances to after it was clear he couldn't do the job. I was afraid if I fired him, my good people would wonder if I was going to fire them. Finally I fired him. When I told the rest of my staff, they literally said they wondered why it took so long.

That was when I realized they were harmed by my inaction. They had to make up for him. They did it. They didn't tell me to fire him. But when I did, they were relieved. And we hired someone good to replace him and make their life better.

Suppose we didn't go through all the things we do to find the best team. How on earth would that be in the interest of the guys who we are building around. The business is football. The owners, fans and players all want to be good. And that is tied in with making money doing it. You have to actually understand the business and the real interests of people who are successful doing it. I never meant you need to make the people who can't cut it happy.

The NFL is business. That's a good thing. Despite what is popular for people trying to be elected to political offices peddling fear say in the US today and said in Europe in the 1930s. Understanding the specifics of a particular business and industry is basic, not counter to business.

[StorminMormon86]

If they got an offer of Herschel Walker proportions, are you saying they wouldn't pull the trigger because Cousins wants to stay? Get real.

You really think there's even a shred of a chance that this will happen?

[KazooSkinsFan]

If they got an offer of Herschel Walker proportions, are you saying they wouldn't pull the trigger because Cousins wants to stay? Get real.

You really think there's even a shred of a chance that this will happen?

Hey, a running back who rushed for over 13,000 yards in his pro career versus a second year, fourth round quarterback who started one NFL game? And Cousins has played in four! Could happen. Deadskins is right, we should have accounted for the possibility we'd get three first round picks, a second, three more picks and some players for him. And he's right we'd take the trade. He's all over this, we're trying to catch up still.

[punchmunky]

Not sure you want to trade your future....