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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:57 pm
by Red_One43
emoses14 wrote:Gentlemen, didn't see the game today and wanted to know how the offensive line looked. I'd heard a lot of chatter in the preseason and before the game that the skins were going to have get a body bag out for Robert because he wouldn't survive 3 plays behind our awful line.
However, he seems to have survived, so I imagine the line must have been ok-ish. If someone could let me know, particularly how the left side of the . . . actually I wanna know about all 5 guys up front.
Thanks,
Emoses14
This came from Gregg Rosenthal from NFL.com- Link for Game Statsยป Either the Saints' pass rush is awful or the Redskins' offensive line is better than you think. Probably a little bit of both.
Probably a quick release and feet of RGIII helped as well.
153 yds rushing 1 sack
Regardless of how it is analyzed, we ran and passed and we won, so the O line gets the credit just like Peyton's O line got credit even though his quick release made them better than what they are. We didn't steam roll the Saints, but they are a good team and Spags is a good D coordinator.
I say they played well.
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:03 pm
by Red_One43
emoses14 wrote:Interesting, it appears as though the Saints had a good idea of what the Skins were gonna try and do offensively and simply couldn't slow down the train. From THEIR OWN MOUTHS, it sounds like they game planned pretty specifically for what the Skins ran.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... rise-them/Hmm.
What you read is what it is like. We scored on 6 of the first 7 possessions. I heard this on the radio post game - hav enot verified it.
I agree with a couple of other posts that said that Shanny got conservative with his play calling. I agree. It could have been worse and should have been.
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:03 pm
by the poster
Irn-Bru wrote:HTTR
Can't remember the last time I saw that kind of QB play for the Redskins.
It's possible I've
never seen QB play that good from a Skins QB.
And that was his first ever game in the NFL. Unbelievable.
its not unprecedented. Patrick Ramsey had a very good first start too. and that was for Spurrier.
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:12 pm
by Deadskins
aswas71788 wrote: The Redskins won a game that no one, NO ONE, gave them a chance.
I wouldn't say
no one.
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:13 pm
by Deadskins
tribeofjudah wrote:Fisher coaches that team and they nearly beat the Iggles today.
Who?
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:31 pm
by crazyhorse1
Chris Luva Luva wrote:IMO I believe we let our foot off of the gas too soon.
We called runs up the middle when we should have been trying to score. Apparently, he thought our D would stop them. The decision to run out the clock was made too early and almost cost us the game.
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:35 pm
by Countertrey
crazyhorse1 wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:IMO I believe we let our foot off of the gas too soon.
We called runs up the middle when we should have been trying to score. Apparently, he thought our D would stop them. The decision to run out the clock was made too early and almost cost us the game.
I agree...
Now, tell us about what you LIKED. I know you can do it!
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:38 pm
by SkinsJock
The Hogster wrote:St. Louis Lambs next
I'll be back to you on this next week - the Rams played well against the Lions in Detroit this week
are you thinking that the group we're up against next Sunday, in St Louis, is the 2011 Rams
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:39 pm
by Deadskins
emoses14 wrote:Gentlemen, didn't see the game today
Should have come to the Whitehall Tavern; we had a great time!
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:48 pm
by SkinsJock
tribeofjudah wrote:The Hogster wrote:St. Louis Lambs next
Let's NOT let up.
Fisher coaches that team and
they nearly beat the Iggles today.
THIS is really amazing to me - do you guys really have any grasp of what is going on?
Hogster thinks the St Louis Rams are a bunch of lambs
this team VERY nearly beat the Lions today ...
and then this ...
you guys sholuld just sit back and relax, have a drink or 2, enjoy the season ....
AND
STFU - you have no clue about the NFL
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:52 pm
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:you guys sholuld just sit back and relax, have a drink or 2
Sounds like they already did.
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:02 pm
by crazyhorse1
Countertrey wrote:crazyhorse1 wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:IMO I believe we let our foot off of the gas too soon.
We called runs up the middle when we should have been trying to score. Apparently, he thought our D would stop them. The decision to run out the clock was made too early and almost cost us the game.
I agree...
Now, tell us about what you LIKED. I know you can do it!
I think RG111 is the best rookie QB I've ever seen and Garcon a potential All-Pro. Visions of playoffs are dancing in my head. RG111's legs, head, quick release, and moves give him all day to throw, which is transformative. We're not going to lose games because of poor offense.
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:18 pm
by emoses14
Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:Gentlemen, didn't see the game today
Should have come to the Whitehall Tavern; we had a great time!
There is a rumor that I was finishing an extended date night with the wife and was attending the matinee showing of the King and I at the Fox theater, allegedly.
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:33 pm
by Irn-Bru
emoses14 wrote:Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:Gentlemen, didn't see the game today
Should have come to the Whitehall Tavern; we had a great time!
There is a rumor that I was finishing an extended date night with the wife and was attending the matinee showing of the King and I at the Fox theater, allegedly.
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:47 pm
by HarleyHog
RGIII was amazing, but so were just about everyone else wearing B&G!
I think the secondary was the biggest surprise. Even on the big completions, the coverage was spot on.it seemed like a LOT of man coverage and not a lot of cushion off the line. Maybe the new mix of personel was intended to tighten things up. Seemed to work today.
"Bob" played so well my eyes welled up with tears of joy at one point. What a STUD!
I reiterate my prediction from the honest predictions thread:
I expect us to be 9-0 at the bye, but then come on strong down the stretch as RGIII settles in and the oline gels.
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:07 am
by Irn-Bru
The more I think about this game, the more impressed I am. No one gave us a chance to win this game. The Saints haven't lost at home in more than a season. This was RGIII's first ever NFL game.
Did we really just witness that? It was awesome.
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:34 am
by RayNAustin
Irn-Bru wrote:The more I think about this game, the more impressed I am. No one gave us a chance to win this game. The Saints haven't lost at home in more than a season. This was RGIII's first ever NFL game.
Did we really just witness that? It was awesome.
Yes ... I did say we had a good chance, and I got a ration of ^%# for saying so. But I'm used to it from all of the years I kept saying Jason Campbell would never be a successful starting QB.
Here's the deal ... what has been missing in the Redskin Equation since FOREVER is a top tier QB. Year after year ... we needed a new line ... new receivers ... changed coaches, changed players .... every excuse imaginable was used to avoid or deny reality. That reality being that a top tier QB can change EVERYTHING.
Last year was the same old same old ... we just were not a good team, and it wouldn't matter who the QB was. This year? same old story ... the O-line will be a problem ... the secondary sucks ... we have no chance to beat a "great team" like the Saints.
Reality? Here's the reality ....
A fine QB does this:
Makes plays when you need them, like those critical 3rd down throws to make a 1st, when the game is on the line and you need to run the clock. It's the difference between winning and losing.
Puts the balls where receivers can actually make yards after the catch, instead of falling down just to make the catch (it was never the receivers before, but inaccurate passers ... for many years)
Extends plays, makes 1st downs and avoids 3 and outs that keeps the other offense off the field, and allows your defense the rest they need to be at their best at crunch time in the 4th QT.
Puts up points ... this game isn't about yards or how many completions you have ... just points. That's what wins.
Inspires the entire team to perform at their highest level, with confidence knowing that they don't have to single handedly win the game or keep the opposition to under 14 points to have a chance to win.
Every team that is successful has a great QB ... those that don't have one, don't succeed ... and they don't beat other great teams with great QBs on their home field.
The biggest difference between the 2011 Redskins and the 2012 version is that we now have .... after decades of trying to succeed without one ... a future great QB that is pretty damned good already.
It's scary to think how good this kid will be in year 3 ... if he's this damned good in game one.
Gotta love it ... hail to the Redskins. And if Joe Gibbs had had a QB like RG3 ... he would have won 6 Super Bowls instead of three.
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:16 am
by Deadskins
RayNAustin wrote:I got a ration of ^%# for saying so.
No you didn't.
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:21 am
by Deadskins
emoses14 wrote:Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:Gentlemen, didn't see the game today
Should have come to the Whitehall Tavern; we had a great time!
There is a rumor that I was finishing an extended date night with the wife and was attending the matinee showing of the King and I at the Fox theater, allegedly.
Didn't realize it was opening day?
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:58 am
by ACW
IWasHacked_ @Abstract_cool
Garcon (#88) got an 88 yard TD. and RG3 (#10) led his team to exactly 10 points in each quarter. #Redskins
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:55 am
by SouthLondonRedskin
RayNAustin wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:The more I think about this game, the more impressed I am. No one gave us a chance to win this game. The Saints haven't lost at home in more than a season. This was RGIII's first ever NFL game.
Did we really just witness that? It was awesome.
Yes ... I did say we had a good chance, and I got a ration of ^%# for saying so. But I'm used to it from all of the years I kept saying Jason Campbell would never be a successful starting QB.
Here's the deal ... what has been missing in the Redskin Equation since FOREVER is a top tier QB. Year after year ... we needed a new line ... new receivers ... changed coaches, changed players .... every excuse imaginable was used to avoid or deny reality. That reality being that a top tier QB can change EVERYTHING.
Last year was the same old same old ... we just were not a good team, and it wouldn't matter who the QB was. This year? same old story ... the O-line will be a problem ... the secondary sucks ... we have no chance to beat a "great team" like the Saints.
Reality? Here's the reality ....
A fine QB does this:
Makes plays when you need them, like those critical 3rd down throws to make a 1st, when the game is on the line and you need to run the clock. It's the difference between winning and losing.
Puts the balls where receivers can actually make yards after the catch, instead of falling down just to make the catch (it was never the receivers before, but inaccurate passers ... for many years)
Extends plays, makes 1st downs and avoids 3 and outs that keeps the other offense off the field, and allows your defense the rest they need to be at their best at crunch time in the 4th QT.
Puts up points ... this game isn't about yards or how many completions you have ... just points. That's what wins.
Inspires the entire team to perform at their highest level, with confidence knowing that they don't have to single handedly win the game or keep the opposition to under 14 points to have a chance to win.
Every team that is successful has a great QB ... those that don't have one, don't succeed ... and they don't beat other great teams with great QBs on their home field.
The biggest difference between the 2011 Redskins and the 2012 version is that we now have .... after decades of trying to succeed without one ... a future great QB that is pretty damned good already.
It's scary to think how good this kid will be in year 3 ... if he's this damned good in game one.
Gotta love it ... hail to the Redskins. And if Joe Gibbs had had a QB like RG3 ... he would have won 6 Super Bowls instead of three.
Well said Ray.
Having an inspirational figure like RGIII at QB makes everyone dig a little deeper.
I thought every element performed very well, particularly the two big concerns of secondary and OL. I watched parts of it back again this morning and the OL was excellent. When you combine that performance with the ones from the first few games of last season you have to say our starting OL is actually very good!
I guess we'll see if we can cope with injuries there later in the season, but well done to Kory in particular who slotted in there for his first action in a long time and was excellent.
The secondary was immense. Obviously we had a couple of dodgy moments but overall they held Brees in check with some sound marking, particularly Wilson, who had an excellent game. Williams had a mixed night of solid moments and silly decisions, but I saw an upgrade there from last year regardless. Gomes had a cracking game also, he could develop into a fine starter given time.
But our defense snuffed Brees out time and time again. There was good pressure, knock downs, etc. and no big coverage mistakes. A big part of that was having RGIII and the boys on the field for so long, our defense was fresh and could make plays and not playing desperation football like last season where they were on the field again after a break of like four plays. They punted more times to us yesterday than they did to anyone at home last season.
Its never perfect of course, the blocked punt was a disaster, some costly penalties, one on 3rd and 20 near the end, meant the game was closer than it should have been. Orakpo had a pick chance but couldn't hold on, and they scored shortly after, which was frustrating.
That pick did come eventually, and Gomes held on with a great return to boot! But to be fair we'd broken their back by then, their last score was on 4th and 10 for example, Bress could find noone open for three plays in a row - they were desperate, and that was great to watch!
We showed we can compete with the best of them, and that's all we can realistically hope for this year, but that's a brilliant step forward.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:11 am
by emoses14
Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:Gentlemen, didn't see the game today
Should have come to the Whitehall Tavern; we had a great time!
There is a rumor that I was finishing an extended date night with the wife and was attending the matinee showing of the King and I at the Fox theater, allegedly.
Didn't realize it was opening day?
Uhm. . . I did. Mentioned it. Mentioned it again. Didn't matter.
Unfortunately, I've educated her on the NFL network's replay concept. She politely told me that in light of bounty suspension overturn, drew brees, and Robert's debut, so long as it was a decent game, I'd be able to see it tuesday or Wednesday via NFL Network's Replay. So, since we had family in town to watch the kids. . .
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:14 am
by Deadskins
emoses14 wrote:Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:Gentlemen, didn't see the game today
Should have come to the Whitehall Tavern; we had a great time!
There is a rumor that I was finishing an extended date night with the wife and was attending the matinee showing of the King and I at the Fox theater, allegedly.
Didn't realize it was opening day?
Uhm. . . I did. Mentioned it. Mentioned it again. Didn't matter.
Unfortunately, I've educated her on the NFL network's replay concept. She politely told me that in light of bounty suspension overturn, drew brees, and Robert's debut, so long as it was a decent game, I'd be able to see it tuesday or Wednesday via NFL Network's Replay. So, since we had family in town to watch the kids. . .
Should have skipped the play and brought the wife to the game.
Alright. See you next week.
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:42 am
by emoses14
So I wanted to take a look at the first 3 Rookie QBs taken this past draft because some have suggested that Griffin should be compared to Ryan Tannehill, while others make the obvious comparison to Luck. It should be made clear that Griffin is BY FAR on the better team, there is no serious debate on this point, but thought this would be fun:
PLAYER ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
Andrew Luck: 45 23 51.1 309 6.87 1 3 3 52.9 309
Robert Griffin 26 19 73.1 320 12.31 2 0 1 139.9 320
Ryan Tannehill 36 20 55.6 219 6.08 0 3 3 39.0 219
So through 1 game, I for one, am fairly happy with Robert and glad we didn't take Tannehill and keep all those draft picks. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the dolphins end up being better than the skins in 2 years or so to see if it was really the right move.
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:48 am
by andyjens89
Weeden was terrible too. A QBR of 5.4 or something. 4 INTs and like 38% completions