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frankcal20 wrote:Also, I don't think there is a difference between the salary we pay him in a trade vs what he's paid when he's cut.

There's a big difference in the salary that the other team pays him under those circumstances. ey isn't worth $3.8 million anymore, and he definitely isn't worth $3.8 million and a 6th rounder. Even the Raiders wouldn't have been willing to part with a 6th rounder at that price.

You can't force a guy to renegotiate his contract, and as I said, nobody is going to agree to renegotiate his deal so that he's easier to trade. Even a team guy like ey is going to want a chance to sign on the open market rather than renegotiate if you're going to get rid of him anyway.

HarleyHog wrote:so, once he's released his contract is nullified, right?
maybe it's a play to re-sign him for say, 2 mil vs 6?
they can't restructure an active contract for less actual money, just different payment schedule.

They can and do restructure active contracts (it's the NFL version of a pay cut... In ey's case he was due $3.8M in base this year, his cap hit was $6.233M this year but again his was to $3.8M. By cutting him they save the $3.8M and will carry $2.433M in "dead money" this year (pro-rated accounting of $$$ ey has already been paid) there is another "dead money" hit next year.

The same numbers would be accurate if they had restructured less ey's new base pay and any bonus pro-ration....

Had they restructured is contract to the vet min. for they would have paid him $825K in base for 2012, $855K in the final year and a signing bonus of $1.5M... the dead cap would be the same but ey's cap hit for 2012 would have dropped from $6.233M to $3.758 for 2012 or almost cut in half.

HarleyHog wrote:If he still has gas in the tank, maybe he's taking one for the team.

The opposite may be more accurate... ey wants to start, but that's Fred"s job. He made the first cut but was still cut the next day says the team is saying go find a starting job this week, or come on back and talk to us.

HarleyHog wrote:I know, clutching at straws. . .

I don't really think you are...

The facts are...

ey and the Redskins are a business but ey and the Redskins fan base are a love affair.... he has always said he wants to be with the Redskins, He seeking a starting job with a new team weather he is healthy or not he's coming of two injury shorten seasons. Roster's have to be down to 53 in three days and the biggest problem in the whole deal....

ey has no one working for him... he doesn't have a agent and by the time he gets one registered with the league teams will have their final rosters in place, so ey has to make all these moves on his own.... moves a agent would have been checking into from the start of training camp (Cooley had been focused on making the Redskins, not looking for a landing spot), I think he'll look around and see whats out there and then come back to "his 1st love" as a backup at multiple positions.

I can actually see ey visiting another team's facilities and getting sick, due to the lack of B&G

HarleyHog wrote:Hail ey!

Gibbs was stuck on two players from "the U" and wasn't sure which one he would select.... Gibbs went the right guy, but I have always believed that Gibbs had spotted a TE later in the draft. He traded up to get Chris. In my mind Chris ey helped Gibbs decide not to spend a first round pick on the son of a guy he coached and gave us one of the best safeties to play the game....

Hail ey!

chiefhog44 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:If ey had come in and lit it up, he'd have a spot on the roster. But he lost a step. There were reports coming from camp, player comments, analysts, that all said this. But if the Skins had decided to part ways back on June 1st, it still would have been a guess. They had every reason to bring him in for training camp to see if he'd work out.

And keeping open the possibility of retaining ey in case Davis or Paul got injured was not classless. That was another legit chance for him to make the team for one last year and receive the millions his contract scheduled him for. Lots of players around the NFL sneak in an extra year or two this way. "Class" has nothing to do with it. He really had two chances to make the team: show that he hadn't lost a step, and take advantage of someone else's injury or inability to play TE.

What if the Skins had released him on June 1st? I bet you would have been livid — after all, at the time you were saying he'd have more catches than our 4th-6th WRs combined. And then suppose Davis got hurt in early August. I bet you would have been all over THN saying that the Skins should never have released him, because now we'd be looking to have him start on gameday.

It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Maybe you will deny that you'd have been mad; it's easy to deny anything. But are you willing to say that you would have called a June 1 release a classy move, at the time? Especially if another TE got hurt in July or August? I bet not.

He has time to find another team if he wants. I just don't see how anyone could see the Redskins as classless in this. Classless would be holding him until the final cuts and then informing him via text message or something.

So true. If we would have cut him in June, it would have been. How classless. How could we cut a guy that is a true Redskins without giving him a chance.

I mean, duh, yes, we hedged our risk by keeping him to make sure Niles Paul works out. And yes, it was probably what he wanted I'm sure. He wouldn't be sounding the drum for the organization if he didn't want that opportunity.

+1 to both of you. This is about the classiest way to handle this situation. I'm not even the biggest cooley fan in our stable of fans, but I am a little shell shocked at this. But, the team gave him a chance to show he wasn't done and could still play to his past levels of excellence. He didn't, he wanted to start and wasn't going to here. So grown men had a conversation and agreed on the best course of action that no one really wanted.

Not sure how you could squeeze more class into this turn of events.

Thank you Chris for every burgundy and gold highlight you've burned into our memories. You'll be missed.

I mean we can't act like we didn't see this coming there was no way that we were keeping 4 TEs going into the season..we have more position of need & he just so happend to be the question mark out of the bunch

I'm guessing they had a discussion, and Chris said he wanted to start. Mike said no, but we will release you and you can check the market. If no one offers you a starting job, you are welcome to come back, and we'll make a new deal.

SalihJones wrote:there was no way that we were keeping 4 TEs going into the season.

I agree, just not that ey would be the odd man out. I think that if he does come back, we'll send Paulsen packing.

Deadskins wrote:

SalihJones wrote:there was no way that we were keeping 4 TEs going into the season.

I agree, just not that ey would be the odd man out. I think that if he does come back, we'll send Paulsen packing.

I'm not so sure about that though
Cause think about bro Paulsen is the biggest out of all the TE he blocks well
& he can catch! That's pretty much what ey can do but for a cheaper price

someone will give ey a chance , he needs to make his mind up whats more important to him palying football or something else. I would not wait on the redskins. Move on with your football life Mr. ey

If I'm Chris ey, I'm calling the Denver Broncos to see if they're in need. Keep in mind he grew up a Bronco fan and the chance to play with Peyton Manning is a once in a lifetime opportunity. I hope he gets that chance after all the crap he's had to deal with team wise here in DC. He gave it all on the field.

skinpride1 wrote:someone will give ey a chance

It's not just a chance, it's a starting job. We'll have to wait and see.

We didn't just convert niles Paul for nothing
We plan on using him at some point he's faster
His blocking suspect but we have Paulsen for that
Paul+Paulsen= better then Chris ey at this point!

skinpride1 wrote:I eat Crowe. I did not think it would happen this year.

Save some crow for me and make it a Texas BBQ.

rskin72 wrote:Can we have a redo on the 80 for 80 voting and get ey in there?

I bet he would have made it if he had been cut back in June. I'll bet he makes the 90 greatest list 10 years from now.

SalihJones wrote:We didn't just convert niles Paul for nothing
We plan on using him at some point he's faster
His blocking suspect but we have Paulsen for that
Paul+Paulsen= better then Chris ey at this point!

ey also plays FB > Paul and Paulsen.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:He sounded down and defeated all training camp. A sad way to go.

Thanks so much for everything, ey! Best of luck wherever you land next.

This was a totally classless way of handling this.

If he truly wasn't in your plans, you should have cut him June 1 and moved on!

It isn't like he got beat out. Davis may and I repeat may end up being as good as ey, but he is one failed drug test away from being gone for a year.

Niles Paul is totally unproved and will most likely never live up to what ey did. And Paulson is just a guy.

This move hurts the team!!!!!!!!!!!!

This move was done in a classless fashion!!!!

This move will come back to haunt us!

I listened to John Keim on the Lavar and Dukes show. I am going to agree with him when LAvar asked why they didn't just cut him before TC. Keim felt that they really wanted to se eif he was the ey of old. Keim thinks that ey is still good. He gets separations, but he does not have the speed that they are looking for in this offense. Keim doesn't feel that it is because he lost speed - no issue in Keim's eyes. It is just that the emphasis on the O doesn't favor a TE like ey. Davis and Paul are Shanny type TEs and Paulsen is the low cost blocker.

I agree with you, Skinsfan, that ey can still play. I had my doubts at the beginning of TC, but ey proved me wrong. He can play and if he wants to play somewhere else, he will. I am not seeing signs that he is welcome here. If it were just money, then there would be no need to cut him, because he said that he would take a pay cut.

I will also defer to ey whether or not it was done in a classless manner. His comments clearly say that he does not want to burn bridges here and would welcome a chance to come back. I am thinking that it would take an injury to get him back here.

ey also plays FB > Paul and Paulsen.[/quote]
This is true but at his salary & him playing FB
Thats crayyy
& im pretty sure he doesnt want to play FB if he has an opportunity to be a starting TE somewhere else.. Lets just keep it real

Obviously he wants to start. And it's also obvious his salary was an issue, no one is disputing that.
I just think he's a more valuable addition to the team than Paulsen.

Deadskins wrote:Obviously he wants to start. And it's also obvious his salary was an issue, no one is disputing that.
I just think he's a more valuable addition to the team than Paulsen.

Yea..but i just think that with the cap space we saved, we can sure up our o line or our secondary
Thats what i really think they made the move for

SalihJones wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Obviously he wants to start. And it's also obvious his salary was an issue, no one is disputing that.
I just think he's a more valuable addition to the team than Paulsen.

Yea..but i just think that with the cap space we saved, we can sure up our o line or our secondary
Thats what i really think they made the move for

We didn't need the money to do that. We already had enough cap space (though we can now carry this savings over to next season).

There was a great quote from RGIII on SportsCenter about how ey is a legend in his mind, and made his transition to the pros much easier. I can't find it on the internets yet, though.

Edit: RGIII tweeted his comment. Anyone got the actual quote?

Red_One43 wrote:I listened to John Keim on the Lavar and Dukes show. I am going to agree with him when LAvar asked why they didn't just cut him before TC. Keim felt that they really wanted to se eif he was the ey of old. Keim thinks that ey is still good. He gets separations, but he does not have the speed that they are looking for in this offense. Keim doesn't feel that it is because he lost speed - no issue in Keim's eyes. It is just that the emphasis on the O doesn't favor a TE like ey. Davis and Paul are Shanny type TEs and Paulsen is the low cost blocker.

That at least makes sense, even if I disagree that this makes the team better.

Sad to see ey cut, but time eventually stops them all. (Except for Sonny, who hasn't lost a step since 1960...)

We all knew this day was coming. Maybe we lied to ourselves and said not this year, but he's hung around on the roster for a while now.

I know we coulda traded him, but would we really want to see someone of his caliber go for a conditional 7th round pick?

It sounds like he's not even sure he's ready to go play for someone else, could we force him into someone else's colors?

I gotta admit, watching his farewell video was hard, but at the end of the day, he's okay with it; so am I. A class act to the very end.

I wish ey the best!

Everyone knows by now that I think he can still play and that I think that if the team truly was moving on from him they should have done it a lot sooner. That is what it appears. They had their mind set that he had very little chance of making the team. They never gave him a chance to show he could still play. Anyone that watched the preseason can vouch for that.

They should have let him go a long time before training camp. Yes, I would have thought they made a mistake, but I would have respected them for trying to do the right thing for Chris (and the team).

What they did was keep him as insurance to cover training camp injuries and a total flop by Paul. I can't say that is the wrong thing, it is good business sense, but with a player of the stature of ey they should have treated him better. Heck they treated Gaffney better.

There is a selfish part of me that wants him back after not finding a better opportunity. I also would love to see him go some place and be exactly what he was two years ago. Denver would make a lot of sense. Or Baltimore. But mostly I want Chris to do what he wants to do and I hope he is happy, he has been too good to this organization!

skinsfan#33 wrote:There is a selfish part of me that wants him back after not finding a better opportunity. I also would love to see him go some place and be exactly what he was two years ago. Denver would make a lot of sense. Or Baltimore. But mostly I want Chris to do what he wants to do and I hope he is happy, he has been too good to this organization!

+1,000,000,000