It's that time... Final 53 Projections 2012

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:03 pm

1niksder u got 10 dbs w 2 of them being Barnes...

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:19 pm

DarthMonk wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:What is the chance of Grossman being picked up if he is released?

My answer is "almost zero." This happens a lot, Red. I think of a question but you ask it first.

I say waive Rex, watch him clear, claim him, and then do whateva with the guy you really want to keep without risking exposing him to the waiver wire (Morris).

I suppose Rex could retire and we could hire him as a coach if someone claims him.

DarthMonk

If you waive him then claim him, what's the point of waiving him?? :shock:

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:30 pm

Practice squad instead of 53 man roster I think?

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:50 pm

1nik, Hogster, why is Gomes on your 53? He is appearing on everybody's 53 including mine, but I only put him on because he looked promising last year. I am finding it hard to keep him on my list as I prepare to redo it. It seems to me that every time, I look up, Gomes is missing tackles or hurt on the ground. I have never seen him make a hard tackle. I recognize that my perception might be wrong here. Thoughts? Anybody else, please feel free to weigh in.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:03 pm

Uh.. I think he caught a flailing duck desperation pass for an int last year... That's bout it.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:04 pm

Uh.. I think he caught a flailing duck desperation pass for an int last year... That's bout it.

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:05 pm

The Hogster wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:What is the chance of Grossman being picked up if he is released?

My answer is "almost zero." This happens a lot, Red. I think of a question but you ask it first.

I say waive Rex, watch him clear, claim him, and then do whateva with the guy you really want to keep without risking exposing him to the waiver wire (Morris).

I suppose Rex could retire and we could hire him as a coach if someone claims him.

DarthMonk

If you waive him then claim him, what's the point of waiving him??

"Claim" is probably the wrong word but every team does what I'm talking about every year. You waive a guy you want to keep hoping he clears waivers. Meanwhile a guy you actually want to develop makes your "final" 53 if you think exposing him to waivers results in losing him. After the waived guy clears he ends up on your 53 while the guy you "kept" ends up on the PS.

You do this to keep both guys.

Dig?

DarthMonk

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:12 pm

Well...

In regards to Rex clearing waivers, I'd like to point out that the Texans run the same scheme... They picked up Beck... As we know Rex > Beck... So there is a possiblity that someone would pick up Rex, albeit slim.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:23 pm

DarthMonk wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:What is the chance of Grossman being picked up if he is released?

My answer is "almost zero." This happens a lot, Red. I think of a question but you ask it first.

I say waive Rex, watch him clear, claim him, and then do whateva with the guy you really want to keep without risking exposing him to the waiver wire (Morris).

I suppose Rex could retire and we could hire him as a coach if someone claims him.

DarthMonk

If you waive him then claim him, what's the point of waiving him??

"Claim" is probably the wrong word but every team does what I'm talking about every year. You waive a guy you want to keep hoping he clears waivers. Meanwhile a guy you actually want to develop makes your "final" 53 if you think exposing him to waivers results in losing him. After the waived guy clears he ends up on your 53 while the guy you "kept" ends up on the PS.

You do this to keep both guys.

Dig?

DarthMonk

1. You are right, "claim" is not a good word. Rex would only have to be re-signed.

He does not have to clear waivers because he has four years of service.

If a player has acquired
four years of service, placing the player on waivers automatically terminates his contract and makes him an unrestricted free agent

2. There is no way to get a guy to your practice squad without exposing him to waivers. What you are describing would not work. It would put you back in the same situation that you started.

3. What I think that you are describing is the
"54 Trick"during the season. You want to bring a guy up form the PS or you acquire a guy via waivers or FA and need to drop a guy from the 53. You drop the vet, often with the unwritten understanding that he will be picked up again after the game. The only way you lose the vet is if he chooses to sign elsewhere (Trevor Price did this). If the team brings the vet back, they drop a guy that they are betting will clear waivers.

LAst year, I don't believe that we actually dropped a vet to bring him back, but our swing practice guy was Brandyn Thompson - he rode the 53 rollercoaster.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:34 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Well...

In regards to Rex clearing waivers, I'd like to point out that the Texans run the same scheme... They picked up Beck... As we know Rex > Beck... So there is a possiblity that someone would pick up Rex, albeit slim.

CLL, Beck was picked up for offseason and training camp. If Rex were to be released, the other teams rosters would be complete. I am not sure that another team would see Rex released and feel that he is a better option as a back up this late in the game (especially when the Skins don't see him as a back up). Remember, he was a free agent the last three years. Only the Skins have showed interest in him in each of those three years - not even the Houston Texans where he last played before coming to the Skins.

Everyone knows that on some days, Rex can light it up, but why roll the dice with him, when most other QBs get you more consistency and not lose games. In an emergency situation during the season, yes, the Redskins, Texans and Raiders, who now run the same O, could come calling, but Beck will might have the upper hand for outside/inside job of emergency QB off the street for the Texans.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:58 pm

Most other QBs not named John Beck.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:14 pm

wtf - Grossman or Beck - neither are worth a damn

what are the chances the Texans pick up Grossman = slim

what are the chances the Texans keep Beck and Grossman = ZERO

fugetaboudit - not worth worrying about

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:25 pm

Red_One43 wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:What is the chance of Grossman being picked up if he is released?

My answer is "almost zero." This happens a lot, Red. I think of a question but you ask it first.

I say waive Rex, watch him clear, claim him, and then do whateva with the guy you really want to keep without risking exposing him to the waiver wire (Morris).

I suppose Rex could retire and we could hire him as a coach if someone claims him.

DarthMonk

If you waive him then claim him, what's the point of waiving him??

"Claim" is probably the wrong word but every team does what I'm talking about every year. You waive a guy you want to keep hoping he clears waivers. Meanwhile a guy you actually want to develop makes your "final" 53 if you think exposing him to waivers results in losing him. After the waived guy clears he ends up on your 53 while the guy you "kept" ends up on the PS.

You do this to keep both guys.

Dig?

DarthMonk

1. You are right, "claim" is not a good word. Rex would only have to be re-signed.

He does not have to clear waivers because he has four years of service.

If a player has acquired
four years of service, placing the player on waivers automatically terminates his contract and makes him an unrestricted free agent

2. There is no way to get a guy to your practice squad without exposing him to waivers. What you are describing would not work. It would put you back in the same situation that you started.

3. What I think that you are describing is the
"54 Trick"during the season. You want to bring a guy up form the PS or you acquire a guy via waivers or FA and need to drop a guy from the 53. You drop the vet, often with the unwritten understanding that he will be picked up again after the game. The only way you lose the vet is if he chooses to sign elsewhere (Trevor Price did this). If the team brings the vet back, they drop a guy that they are betting will clear waivers.

LAst year, I don't believe that we actually dropped a vet to bring him back, but our swing practice guy was Brandyn Thompson - he rode the 53 rollercoaster.

Also thought of the Texans. Wasn't aware of the 4 year rule.

So I was thinking of 47 and 53 with waivers not realizing there was a 4 year rule.

I sure would like to keep Morris. Maybe we can waive RGIII. Nobody would claim him after seeing how bad he is compared to Cousins! :mrgreen:

Back to my fantasy rankings.

DarthMonk

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:32 pm

Red_One43 wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:What is the chance of Grossman being picked up if he is released?

My answer is "almost zero." This happens a lot, Red. I think of a question but you ask it first.

I say waive Rex, watch him clear, claim him, and then do whateva with the guy you really want to keep without risking exposing him to the waiver wire (Morris).

I suppose Rex could retire and we could hire him as a coach if someone claims him.

DarthMonk

If you waive him then claim him, what's the point of waiving him??

"Claim" is probably the wrong word but every team does what I'm talking about every year. You waive a guy you want to keep hoping he clears waivers. Meanwhile a guy you actually want to develop makes your "final" 53 if you think exposing him to waivers results in losing him. After the waived guy clears he ends up on your 53 while the guy you "kept" ends up on the PS.

You do this to keep both guys.

Dig?

DarthMonk

1. You are right, "claim" is not a good word. Rex would only have to be re-signed.

He does not have to clear waivers because he has four years of service.

If a player has acquired
four years of service, placing the player on waivers automatically terminates his contract and makes him an unrestricted free agent

2. There is no way to get a guy to your practice squad without exposing him to waivers. What you are describing would not work. It would put you back in the same situation that you started.

3. What I think that you are describing is the
"54 Trick"during the season. You want to bring a guy up form the PS or you acquire a guy via waivers or FA and need to drop a guy from the 53. You drop the vet, often with the unwritten understanding that he will be picked up again after the game. The only way you lose the vet is if he chooses to sign elsewhere (Trevor Price did this). If the team brings the vet back, they drop a guy that they are betting will clear waivers.

LAst year, I don't believe that we actually dropped a vet to bring him back, but our swing practice guy was Brandyn Thompson - he rode the 53 rollercoaster.

+1

Well explained.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:37 pm

My choice to drop Morris is based on my belief that he will clear waivers and return to the PS much like Evan Royster did. There is always a risk though depending on 1) other team's injuries or views of the guys on their roster and 2) how highly rated they had your guy on their draft boards. For example, if Team A had Morris rated as a 5th or 6th rounder and had an injury, they might claim him.

It's really a crapshoot. Remember Marcus Mason?? The Barry Sanders of the preseason. He cleared waivers. But, Keiland Williams was grabbed by the Lions.

I am not overwhelmed by Alfred. He's good, but I don't think he's someone to fear releasing. Ryan Torain started regular season games for us, played well and is now out of the league altogether.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:48 pm

Red_One43 wrote:1nik, Hogster, why is Gomes on your 53? He is appearing on everybody's 53 including mine, but I only put him on because he looked promising last year. I am finding it hard to keep him on my list as I prepare to redo it. It seems to me that every time, I look up, Gomes is missing tackles or hurt on the ground. I have never seen him make a hard tackle. I recognize that my perception might be wrong here. Thoughts? Anybody else, please feel free to weigh in.

Mainly I think he makes it by default. The guys behind him are just not very good. Jordan Bernstine doesn't look like he's ready to play in the NFL. I expect Reed Doughty to see plenty of time on Special Teams and in the secondary. I think he showed some promise last year. He came in lighter this season. And, with the injury to Merriweather & Jackson still getting up to speed, it will be hard to go without 5 Safeties.

Red One - Who are you considering replacing him with?

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:56 pm

To clear waivers is 24 hours right? Do you have to send notice to every team? U can't jus "sneak" someone on to the ps I'm assuming, so how's it work? Teams report to the NFL about any cuts and/or releases and its up to the teams to keep an eye on the waiver wire or what ever?

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:03 pm

Last's Year's 53 Final Roster before the start of the season

Tandler:

They managed to keep four tight ends and seven wide receivers by going tight with eight on the offensive line and carrying two quarterbacks. One of the eight O-linemen was rookie free agent tackle Willie Smith, who they knew would not be ready to play until the latter stages of the season. The gamble did not work out too well as injuries hit along the line and they had to call up Maurice Hurt from the practice squad and sign Tyler Polumbus off of the street.

The spot for return specialist Brandon Banks came from the defense with the line on that side of the ball going tight as well.

The lesson to learn here is that there is no rigid number that needs to be kept at each position. The last few roster spots, where decision are made based on special teams, potential, or just keeping the best football players, can throw everything out of whack.

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:09 pm

Teams had 33 when guys played both ways a lot. I think George Allen had 40 Redskins.

Forty men together can't lose!

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:12 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:To clear waivers is 24 hours right? Do you have to send notice to every team? U can't jus "sneak" someone on to the ps I'm assuming, so how's it work? Teams report to the NFL about any cuts and/or releases and its up to the teams to keep an eye on the waiver wire or what ever?

Players who are waived when paperwork notifying the league of their release is filed. Their name then goes on the "Waiver Wire" that all teams have.
Each team is ranked based on record. Worst team has 1st priority. Teams have 24 hours to put in a claim. The team with highest priority who claims a player gets the rights to that player.

In order to clear waivers, no team puts in a claim. If multiple teams put in claims, the "worst" team wins so to speak.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:47 pm

Right , I figured as much.. I know we got Briscoe even tho multiple teams tried because of last year.
Thanks Rex!

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:48 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:1niksder u got 10 dbs w 2 of them being Barnes...

Should have Jackson on that list,

My first list had Barnes and Griffin on it the second had Griffin and Jackson... It should read

Defensive Backs (10) Josh Wilson, DeAngelo Hall, Kevin Barnes, Madieu Williams, Tenard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes, Brandyn Thompson, and Richard Crawford

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:52 pm

Is that in order? If it came down to banks or Gomes I'd say peace out to Gomes quick

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:56 pm

Question you also have to ask is "Does it make more sense to keep a guy who will be inactive on gameday for depth or do you keep a guy who will play each and every week."

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:26 pm

Shanahan said he’ll keep more than 25 players on one side of the ball if that’s what needs to happen. So there’s a chance he’ll keep 26 offensive players, 24 on defense and three specialists. He also said he won’t keep a player just as insurance in case Trent Williams or Fred Davis fail another drug test and receive a year-long suspension.

“I trust both of them,” Shanahan said. “I’d be very disappointed if they let me down or their teammates down. I really don’t think along those lines.”

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