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Irn-Bru wrote:But PulpExposure, I think you are missing something: both RGIII and Vick are black and very fast.

So what if they play different styles in the QB position, had dissimilar college careers, have totally different family backgrounds, and don't share the same attitudes, moral character, work ethic, etc., whatsoever.

So what?

Black and fast. The similarities cannot be ignored!

Wait...

I'm black. I'm fast. I'm... I'm a quarterback?!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Wait...

I'm black. I'm fast. I'm... I'm a quarterback?!

What the heck, man? Why didn't you try out for the team? We've been looking for a guy like you!

Cousins is White and slow.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:But PulpExposure, I think you are missing something: both RGIII and Vick are black and very fast.

So what if they play different styles in the QB position, had dissimilar college careers, have totally different family backgrounds, and don't share the same attitudes, moral character, work ethic, etc., whatsoever.

So what?

Black and fast. The similarities cannot be ignored!

Wait...

I'm black. I'm fast. I'm... I'm a quarterback?!

No, no. That would make you an "athlete" who plays quarterback and is overatted and sometimes coddled by, the media.

ATX_Skins wrote:Cousins is White and slow.

Let's hope that that is the only comparison that he has to Grossman.

DarthMonk wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:So is beg Ben the only qb who isn't tiny?

Since this guy retired?



Yeah, I guess.

DarthMonk

Matt Stafford is the tiniest - he gets hurt 2 out of 3 seasons and he isn't even a runner.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:But PulpExposure, I think you are missing something: both RGIII and Vick are black and very fast.

So what if they play different styles in the QB position, had dissimilar college careers, have totally different family backgrounds, and don't share the same attitudes, moral character, work ethic, etc., whatsoever.

So what?

Black and fast. The similarities cannot be ignored!

Wait...

I'm black. I'm fast. I'm... I'm a quarterback?!

All blacks are fast. Everyone knows that, duh.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:But PulpExposure, I think you are missing something: both RGIII and Vick are black and very fast.

So what if they play different styles in the QB position, had dissimilar college careers, have totally different family backgrounds, and don't share the same attitudes, moral character, work ethic, etc., whatsoever.

So what?

Black and fast. The similarities cannot be ignored!

Wait...

I'm black.

Say it LOUD!

It’s hard to tell a whole lot about players from a rookie minicamp in which no one is wearing pads. But I’m going to quickly move on and say this: Robert Griffin III is impressive in person. It’s not just the arm, which is fantastic. Those saying it’s the best arm in camp since Jeff George aren’t exaggerating. But the thing that jumps out with Griffin, too, is the footwork. He’s just smoother than the other quarterbacks in camp. He worked hard on keeping a good base to throw from; he reached his destination point on his drops just a little bit quicker than the others. And he reset his feet well on throws. Of course, there’s no rush, but there is some urgency because he was throwing against coverages.

Griffin’s footwork is just different than the other quarterbacks who were here (Kirk Cousins and Jonathan Crompton). Cousins’ feet are a little rougher. That’s not to say his footwork was bad – and his game is not built around mobility – but that it suffered in comparison. The funny thing is, when Griffin was facing eight defenders (in a seven-on-eight drill), he never tucked and ran. Cousins did so on his first dropback and did it later as well. I’d hate to go after Griffin in any drill focusing on footwork. Maybe the best one came when Griffin dropped back and followed Kyle Shanahan’s direction, stepping up then stepping back and then he reversed field and threw to his left. Smooth.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/re ... sis/581011

Red_One43 wrote:

It’s hard to tell a whole lot about players from a rookie minicamp in which no one is wearing pads. But I’m going to quickly move on and say this: Robert Griffin III is impressive in person. It’s not just the arm, which is fantastic. Those saying it’s the best arm in camp since Jeff George aren’t exaggerating. But the thing that jumps out with Griffin, too, is the footwork. He’s just smoother than the other quarterbacks in camp. He worked hard on keeping a good base to throw from; he reached his destination point on his drops just a little bit quicker than the others. And he reset his feet well on throws. Of course, there’s no rush, but there is some urgency because he was throwing against coverages.

Griffin’s footwork is just different than the other quarterbacks who were here (Kirk Cousins and Jonathan Crompton). Cousins’ feet are a little rougher. That’s not to say his footwork was bad – and his game is not built around mobility – but that it suffered in comparison. The funny thing is, when Griffin was facing eight defenders (in a seven-on-eight drill), he never tucked and ran. Cousins did so on his first dropback and did it later as well. I’d hate to go after Griffin in any drill focusing on footwork. Maybe the best one came when Griffin dropped back and followed Kyle Shanahan’s direction, stepping up then stepping back and then he reversed field and threw to his left. Smooth.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/re ... sis/581011

This is encouraging

Cousins’ arm was pretty solid, too. He doesn’t have Griffin’s zip, but few do and there’s no doubt Cousins can make all the throws. But he will be the classic system-type QB. It’s helpful that he understands the situation he’s in, but he’ll prepare the same regardless. If he prepares well and plays well in the preseason, and possibly in games where RG3 can’t go, then Cousins eventually will get his shot as a starter somewhere. And he knows that.

because we may have a higher draft pick than number 4 in the future.

andyjens89 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Wait...

I'm black. I'm fast. I'm... I'm a quarterback?!

What the heck, man? Why didn't you try out for the team? We've been looking for a guy like you!

No doubt. Even fifth round pick money is pretty good. Go for it!

Deadskins wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:But PulpExposure, I think you are missing something: both RGIII and Vick are black and very fast.

So what if they play different styles in the QB position, had dissimilar college careers, have totally different family backgrounds, and don't share the same attitudes, moral character, work ethic, etc., whatsoever.

So what?

Black and fast. The similarities cannot be ignored!

Wait...

I'm black. I'm fast. I'm... I'm a quarterback?!

All blacks are fast. Everyone knows that, duh.

Rubbish swimmers though.

Although, strictly speaking, that's not a skill generally required to be a QB in the NFL.

ATX_Skins wrote:Cousins is White and slow.

RACIST!

I think RGIII improves most by allowing the playbook to become 2nd nature to him.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think RGIII improves most by allowing the playbook to become 2nd nature to him.

And then becoming expert at reading coverages and allignments designed to stop his team's offense and him. I'm looking for that expertise to start showing itself in year 2, really, because that has got to take some time.

emoses14 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think RGIII improves most by allowing the playbook to become 2nd nature to him.

And then becoming expert at reading coverages and alignments designed to stop his team's offense and him. I'm looking for that expertise to start showing itself in year 2, really, because that has got to take some time.

It's definitely a layered process. He'll benefit from teams not knowing how to gameplan for him early on in his rookie year. In year two, your point comes into play because his tendencies will be well-documented. He will have to rise above and really learn to read the coverages and where that will dictate his progression.

The funny thing is, he's already talking about that, he mentioned this exact thing at the rookie minicamp. He's ahead of the curve, at least in acknowledging what he needs to do to succeed.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

emoses14 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think RGIII improves most by allowing the playbook to become 2nd nature to him.

And then becoming expert at reading coverages and alignments designed to stop his team's offense and him. I'm looking for that expertise to start showing itself in year 2, really, because that has got to take some time.

It's definitely a layered process. He'll benefit from teams not knowing how to gameplan for him early on in his rookie year. In year two, your point comes into play because his tendencies will be well-documented. He will have to rise above and really learn to read the coverages and where that will dictate his progression.

Yeah, i saw where he acknowledged that and stole my "Insight" from him on that one. I think he'll benefit tremendously, and have his growing pains most significantly, in his second games against NFC East foes this year.
The funny thing is, he's already talking about that, he mentioned this exact thing at the rookie minicamp. He's ahead of the curve, at least in acknowledging what he needs to do to succeed.

well since I have been taught here by a bunch of average schmoes on the Internet that a person should never compare one qb who is black to another qb who is black because thats just unfair and simplistic and it's impossible for one black qb to be similar to another one and there is no way possible for there not to be some sort of underlying racial undertones there and it is just implausible to suggest a correlation in these modern times because we've come so far and we should not be relying on same color comparisons today and it's insulting to even suggest it.....I have found a perfect alternative comparion to rg3.

no, sorry, im not selecting Aaron Rodgers or Steve young or any other hall of famer you so unracially and unbiasedly dream to make him into.....

nope.

Like RG3, he was coached by art briles in college.
like rg3, he had one signature collegiate season.
similar build as rg3 (thin frame for NFL standards)
put up eerily similar numbers as rg3 in his senior season including 3800 yards, 30 Tds, 4 ints)


Kevin kolb.

doesn't it suck to know that Kevin kolb had the same passing success in that offense in college? yeah, your silence. = the answer.

so there you have it. Kevin kolb. man, 3 firsts and a high second. I dunno, we'll have to see if rg3 can stay healthier than kolb has been able to in the pros.

owned.

dftt

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

emoses14 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think RGIII improves most by allowing the playbook to become 2nd nature to him.

And then becoming expert at reading coverages and alignments designed to stop his team's offense and him. I'm looking for that expertise to start showing itself in year 2, really, because that has got to take some time.

It's definitely a layered process. He'll benefit from teams not knowing how to gameplan for him early on in his rookie year. In year two, your point comes into play because his tendencies will be well-documented. He will have to rise above and really learn to read the coverages and where that will dictate his progression.

The funny thing is, he's already talking about that, he mentioned this exact thing at the rookie minicamp. He's ahead of the curve, at least in acknowledging what he needs to do to succeed.

Exactly, that is why they call it softmore blues. I have a good feeling about it.

We often look at what other players did but the fact is that every now and then a player comes along that is just special

this player is one of those - he is driven to succeed and he'll have great guidance because these guys know how important RGIII is to both their future and this franchise

there has to be a learning curve and getting comfortable with the players around him and the offensive game plan will take time

but

RGIII will show that he is a lot better than anyone expects - especially when compared to other QBs that played


RGIII is VERY special

For some reason I felt the need to examine Kevin Kolb. He must be tiny by NFL standards (like Aaron Rodgers and Troy Aikman) because he has suffered from turf toe and was concussed by Clay Matthews. Probably couldn't get away with his blazing 4.85 40 speed.



DarthMonk

DarthMonk wrote:For some reason I felt the need to examine Kevin Kolb. He must be tiny by NFL standards (like Aaron Rodgers and Troy Aikman) because he has suffered from turf toe and was concussed by Clay Matthews. Probably couldn't get away with his blazing 4.85 40 speed.



DarthMonk

That's so strange, I had that same tickle thought, to examine Kevin Kolb, last night. Then, I realized I was at the bottom of a bottle of Bookers and it was the alcohol talking. Damn moonshine!

RGIII is going to be a lot harder to get to

however

when defensive players do get a chance to hit him, you can bet that they will try to make up for that

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