Cooley

[Redskin in Canada]

^^^

So anyways... As someone posted earlier, I actually could see ey getting released if LP has a good offseason. 6.23 against the cap...

It comes down to his health status.

Knee seems to be holding up but he had a strain muscle this week and he was visibly limping.

I would want him to be healthy and play for us BUT this may be his last year with us. I also feel that he would be a good and charismatic person in TV.

[SkinsJock]

The reality is he's only here if he shows he's better suited for what we need than the other players vying for the spot

What he makes is not a factor

What he's done is not a factor

What he might do if he's healthy is not a factor

Mike has made it very clear - all of these players (except 1 ) are competing for roster spots

the players that are going to make this team will be those that can best help the team going forward and not because of what they've done in the past or what they make

If ey's healthy he'll be one of them - simple really

[ATX_Skins]

^^^

So anyways... As someone posted earlier, I actually could see ey getting released if LP has a good offseason. 6.23 against the cap...

It comes down to his health status.

Knee seems to be holding up but he had a strain muscle this week and he was visibly limping.

I would want him to be healthy and play for us BUT this may be his last year with us. I also feel that he would be a good and charismatic person in TV.

A year off, go to practice and limping... no bueno.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Speaking more-so with my heart than brain, I want us to find a way to keep him.

[SkinsJock]

Speaking more-so with my heart than brain, I want us to find a way to keep him.

actually Chris - I hope we see both ey and Santana on the roster and playing well this season

Our offense is only going to get better over the next year or two and it would be great to see these 2 helping RGIII begin his NFL career

[skinsfan#33]

Speaking more-so with my heart than brain, I want us to find a way to keep him.

Speaking from mu head and my heart, but mainly my head, we need to find a way to keep him. We have no oner that is proven to be better than him. We have a guy that has the talent to be better, but never has. And that player failed for drug tests last year.

[skinsfan98]

Chris ey needs to for sure stay healthy. With him being injured it does us no good. Fred Davis could become a stellar player by learning from Chris. Chris is also still young, so we're looking at a couple of good years with him and hoping to a bright future with Fred Davis.

[Deadskins]

Apparently the limping we all saw on the video was due to a pulled groin muscle, and has nothing to do with his knee. Shanahan was talking him up, so I think we will see ey on the team this season.

[Redskin in Canada]

Apparently the limping we all saw on the video was due to a pulled groin muscle, and has nothing to do with his knee. Shanahan was talking him up, so I think we will see ey on the team this season.

Nobody said that it had anything to do with the knee to begin with.

Problem arises when an athlete begins to have his body complain and the way of complaining is having an injury after another.

Sure, he might be back but it will not be for more than a year. I want him to be here when we have a real QB. He had to put up with wannabes QBs most of his pro career. His experience and leadership count too. So, I am in IF he is healthy.

[skinsfan#33]

Apparently the limping we all saw on the video was due to a pulled groin muscle, and has nothing to do with his knee. Shanahan was talking him up, so I think we will see ey on the team this season.

What limping are you talking about? I haven't seen anything. I haven't heard one report talk about him limping. Both of the local radio insiders that see him more than any of us have been asked about his health and they have both say he looks healthy and have mentioned nothing about a limp.

I will see him in person tomorrow,, so I we look to see if I can see any limp.

[Red_One43]

Apparently the limping we all saw on the video was due to a pulled groin muscle, and has nothing to do with his knee. Shanahan was talking him up, so I think we will see ey on the team this season.

What limping are you talking about? I haven't seen anything. I haven't heard one report talk about him limping. Both of the local radio insiders that see him more than any of us have been asked about his health and they have both say he looks healthy and have mentioned nothing about a limp.

I will see him in person tomorrow,, so I we look to see if I can see any limp.

Red_One43 wrote:

it was posted on the boards that ey appeared to be favoring one of his legs in the OTA video posted.

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... 557#579557

At the the end of the video, ey is favoring one of his legs. Link is below

http://blog.redskins.com/2012/05/21/vid ... 12-season/

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said Thursday that tight end Chris ey's knee is OK but his groin was strained. The injury isn't believed to be serious. ey has been able to practice on the knee without any swelling or setbacks, much to the delight of Shanahan.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ ... k/10913159

[skinsfan#33]

Apparently the limping we all saw on the video was due to a pulled groin muscle, and has nothing to do with his knee. Shanahan was talking him up, so I think we will see ey on the team this season.

What limping are you talking about? I haven't seen anything. I haven't heard one report talk about him limping. Both of the local radio insiders that see him more than any of us have been asked about his health and they have both say he looks healthy and have mentioned nothing about a limp.

I will see him in person tomorrow,, so I we look to see if I can see any limp.

Red_One43 wrote:

it was posted on the boards that ey appeared to be favoring one of his legs in the OTA video posted.

z
http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... 557#579557

At the the end of the video, ey is favoring one of his legs. Link is below

http://blog.redskins.com/2012/05/21/vid ... 12-season/

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said Thursday that tight end Chris ey's knee is OK but his groin was strained. The injury isn't believed to be serious. ey has been able to practice on the knee without any swelling or setbacks, much to the delight of Shanahan.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ ... k/10913159

R1 43,
Thanks. That was what people were freaking out about. A slight hitch in his giidyup for 1/2 a second at the end of a video. Something that is no longer relevant, since he has been healthy for the past two weeks of OTAs.

People are grasping here.

I really watch him tomorrow to see if he has a gimpy gate at all. I'll let everyone know how he looks.

[DarthMonk]

People are grasping here.

... and not just on one side of the issue(s).

DarthMonk

[Red_One43]

Apparently the limping we all saw on the video was due to a pulled groin muscle, and has nothing to do with his knee. Shanahan was talking him up, so I think we will see ey on the team this season.

Are you referencing this video from May 21st?

http://blog.redskins.com/2012/05/21/vid ... 12-season/

That would mean what Shanny is talking about this past Thursday (May 31st) groin strain, has been lingering on for 10 days and not a new injury.

Often when players compensate for a knee injury, they aggravate muscles of other areas, so it is possible that the groin strain is related to the knee.

Here's the evidence that makes me believe that ey is not healthy:

Chris ey said last week:

“I feel the best I’ve felt,” he said. “It’s to the point that I trust I’m healthy. It’s tough to know but I’ve worked hard enough and ran hard enough and I’ve had no swelling.”

"The best, I've felt?" He left off the "since when" part.
Note that he is not saying that he is 100% or that he will be by training camp. He is saying only that he "trusts" that he is healthy. Saying "trusts" is not very convincing even to oneself.

Your last statement about Shanahan, I agree with. Mike wants ey on the team and if ey can help this team win as a back up TE, as a back up HB, FB, he will be on the team. I am not optimistic about him regaining his form that sent him to the Pro Bowl.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/re ... ove/637926

[Red_One43]

Apparently the limping we all saw on the video was due to a pulled groin muscle, and has nothing to do with his knee. Shanahan was talking him up, so I think we will see ey on the team this season.

What limping are you talking about? I haven't seen anything. I haven't heard one report talk about him limping. Both of the local radio insiders that see him more than any of us have been asked about his health and they have both say he looks healthy and have mentioned nothing about a limp.

I will see him in person tomorrow,, so I we look to see if I can see any limp.

Red_One43 wrote:

it was posted on the boards that ey appeared to be favoring one of his legs in the OTA video posted.

z
http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... 557#579557

At the the end of the video, ey is favoring one of his legs. Link is below

http://blog.redskins.com/2012/05/21/vid ... 12-season/

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said Thursday that tight end Chris ey's knee is OK but his groin was strained. The injury isn't believed to be serious. ey has been able to practice on the knee without any swelling or setbacks, much to the delight of Shanahan.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ ... k/10913159

R1 43,
Thanks. That was what people were freaking out about. A slight hitch in his giidyup for 1/2 a second at the end of a video. Something that is no longer relevant, since he has been healthy for the past two weeks of OTAs.

People are grasping here.

I really watch him tomorrow to see if he has a gimpy gate at all. I'll let everyone know how he looks.

Love your optimism. There are still two months until training camp.

[Countertrey]

Apparently the limping we all saw on the video was due to a pulled groin muscle, and has nothing to do with his knee. Shanahan was talking him up, so I think we will see ey on the team this season.

What limping are you talking about? I haven't seen anything. I haven't heard one report talk about him limping. Both of the local radio insiders that see him more than any of us have been asked about his health and they have both say he looks healthy and have mentioned nothing about a limp.

I will see him in person tomorrow,, so I we look to see if I can see any limp.

Red_One43 wrote:

it was posted on the boards that ey appeared to be favoring one of his legs in the OTA video posted.

z
http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... 557#579557

At the the end of the video, ey is favoring one of his legs. Link is below

http://blog.redskins.com/2012/05/21/vid ... 12-season/

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said Thursday that tight end Chris ey's knee is OK but his groin was strained. The injury isn't believed to be serious. ey has been able to practice on the knee without any swelling or setbacks, much to the delight of Shanahan.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ ... k/10913159

R1 43,
Thanks. That was what people were freaking out about. A slight hitch in his giidyup for 1/2 a second at the end of a video. Something that is no longer relevant, since he has been healthy for the past two weeks of OTAs.

People are grasping here.

I really watch him tomorrow to see if he has a gimpy gate at all. I'll let everyone know how he looks.

Sometimes, context is important. For several days prior to that vid, we had been hearing about how well ey was doing in his rehab... then we get a 4 second shot of him limping into the endzone as the only evidence of how he is doing. Not reassuring. I commented.

I look forward to your assessment...

[SkinsJock]

- waiting for the report

[skinsfan#33]

:shock: - waiting for the report

He looked good yesterday. He washis football camp for kids.

He ran some drills to show the kids what to do. They were the box drill, L drill and ather one i forget the name of. of course he didn't run anything at full speed, but it was every bit as fast as practice (maybe faster). the important thing is they were explosion/cutting drills and he had no limp or hitch in his giggy up all day.

He looked completely helthy.

By they way if you have never had a kid at one of those football camps, they are fantastic. "Pro Camp" runs the camp and ey has benn sponsoring it for at least three days. He stays all 3.5 hours each day (Saturday and Sunday). According to Pro Camps, most NFL players don't stay all day each day and some are just there for 1/2 hour each day. My son has gone the past three years and loves it.

ey plays with each kid at least once each day. I just hope he will be back on the team year year (but I'm not hloding my breath).

[Red_One43]

Here’s what one longtime general manager said he would do with tight end Chris ey, “He’s a glue guy, not a go-to guy. He’s a guy the quarterback gets comfortable with, and he’s an easy pitch-and-catch guy and a sure guy. But he’s not special. I don’t pay a guy like that much. Right now he’s a $3 million a year guy. I’d want him. This quarterback needs every weapon he can count on, and he’ll be a favorite target because he’s so dependable. So he does have value [to Washington], but there’s no market place for those guys. It’s just more based on what he brings intangibly to the offense. He’s always in the right place. If he’s healthy, you like him. He never was fast. He never was a great blocker. He had really good hands, and he knew how to run good routes, and he has great instincts. You think more in terms of clutch. … But because of the offense they want to run, I don’t know if he’s a fit anymore.”

http://community.washingtonexaminer.com/redskins/

[skinsfan#33]

Here’s what one longtime general manager said he would do with tight end Chris ey, “He’s a glue guy, not a go-to guy. He’s a guy the quarterback gets comfortable with, and he’s an easy pitch-and-catch guy and a sure guy. But he’s not special. I don’t pay a guy like that much. Right now he’s a $3 million a year guy. I’d want him. This quarterback needs every weapon he can count on, and he’ll be a favorite target because he’s so dependable. So he does have value [to Washington], but there’s no market place for those guys. It’s just more based on what he brings intangibly to the offense. He’s always in the right place. If he’s healthy, you like him. He never was fast. He never was a great blocker. He had really good hands, and he knew how to run good routes, and he has great instincts. You think more in terms of clutch. … But because of the offense they want to run, I don’t know if he’s a fit anymore.”

http://community.washingtonexaminer.com/redskins/

2010 he was a top 3 TE in that offense "that he doesn't". Since that "nothing special" TE has been in the NFL he had caught more passes than all but five TEs (Gates, Gonzalez, Witten, and KW2 (3 more catches than ey)).

I simply don't care if ey is deemed athletically "special" by some long time GM. All I care about is that fact that he puts up top flight numbers when he is healthy. I don't care if he is flashy when doing it. He is a substance over style type player.

He has more catches than Mike Ditka, Dave Casper, Jay Novacek, Brent Jones and our own Jerry Smith had in their NFL careers! And he can probably play for another five years.

Yep ey is nothing special!

[Red_One43]

Here’s what one longtime general manager said he would do with tight end Chris ey, “He’s a glue guy, not a go-to guy. He’s a guy the quarterback gets comfortable with, and he’s an easy pitch-and-catch guy and a sure guy. But he’s not special. I don’t pay a guy like that much. Right now he’s a $3 million a year guy. I’d want him. This quarterback needs every weapon he can count on, and he’ll be a favorite target because he’s so dependable. So he does have value [to Washington], but there’s no market place for those guys. It’s just more based on what he brings intangibly to the offense. He’s always in the right place. If he’s healthy, you like him. He never was fast. He never was a great blocker. He had really good hands, and he knew how to run good routes, and he has great instincts. You think more in terms of clutch. … But because of the offense they want to run, I don’t know if he’s a fit anymore.”

http://community.washingtonexaminer.com/redskins/

2010 he was a top 3 TE in that offense "that he doesn't". Since that "nothing special" TE has been in the NFL he had caught more passes than all but five TEs (Gates, Gonzalez, Witten, and KW2 (3 more catches than ey)).

I simply don't care if ey is deemed athletically "special" by some long time GM. All I care about is that fact that he puts up top flight numbers when he is healthy. I don't care if he is flashy when doing it. He is a substance over style type player.

He has more catches than Mike Ditka, Dave Casper, Jay Novacek, Brent Jones and our own Jerry Smith had in their NFL careers! And he can probably play for another five years.

Yep ey is nothing special!

I don't think that the GM meant his "not special" comment as a put down. I think that he is saying that ey is not flashy, not the fastest TE, not the best blocker, not the biggest TE, not the most athletic, not the most powerful, but he is a guy who gets the job done. He has the instincts to be where his QB needs him to be. That explains that stats that you provide. The comment in my opinon was tongue in cheek.

[Deadskins]

Here’s what one longtime general manager said he would do with tight end Chris ey, “He’s a glue guy, not a go-to guy. He’s a guy the quarterback gets comfortable with, and he’s an easy pitch-and-catch guy and a sure guy. But he’s not special. I don’t pay a guy like that much. Right now he’s a $3 million a year guy. I’d want him. This quarterback needs every weapon he can count on, and he’ll be a favorite target because he’s so dependable. So he does have value [to Washington], but there’s no market place for those guys. It’s just more based on what he brings intangibly to the offense. He’s always in the right place. If he’s healthy, you like him. He never was fast. He never was a great blocker. He had really good hands, and he knew how to run good routes, and he has great instincts. You think more in terms of clutch. … But because of the offense they want to run, I don’t know if he’s a fit anymore.”

http://community.washingtonexaminer.com/redskins/

2010 he was a top 3 TE in that offense "that he doesn't". Since that "nothing special" TE has been in the NFL he had caught more passes than all but five TEs (Gates, Gonzalez, Witten, and KW2 (3 more catches than ey)).

I simply don't care if ey is deemed athletically "special" by some long time GM. All I care about is that fact that he puts up top flight numbers when he is healthy. I don't care if he is flashy when doing it. He is a substance over style type player.

He has more catches than Mike Ditka, Dave Casper, Jay Novacek, Brent Jones and our own Jerry Smith had in their NFL careers! And he can probably play for another five years.

Yep ey is nothing special!

I don't think that the GM meant his "not special" comment as a put down. I think that he is saying that ey is not flashy, not the fastest TE, not the best blocker, not the biggest TE, not the most athletic, not the most powerful, but he is a guy who gets the job done. He has the instincts to be where his QB needs him to be. That explains that stats that you provide. The comment in my opinon was tongue in cheek.

I don't think it was tongue in cheek. He's basically saying ey's overpaid and has no trade value.

[Red_One43]

Here’s what one longtime general manager said he would do with tight end Chris ey, “He’s a glue guy, not a go-to guy. He’s a guy the quarterback gets comfortable with, and he’s an easy pitch-and-catch guy and a sure guy. But he’s not special. I don’t pay a guy like that much. Right now he’s a $3 million a year guy. I’d want him. This quarterback needs every weapon he can count on, and he’ll be a favorite target because he’s so dependable. So he does have value [to Washington], but there’s no market place for those guys. It’s just more based on what he brings intangibly to the offense. He’s always in the right place. If he’s healthy, you like him. He never was fast. He never was a great blocker. He had really good hands, and he knew how to run good routes, and he has great instincts. You think more in terms of clutch. … But because of the offense they want to run, I don’t know if he’s a fit anymore.”

http://community.washingtonexaminer.com/redskins/

2010 he was a top 3 TE in that offense "that he doesn't". Since that "nothing special" TE has been in the NFL he had caught more passes than all but five TEs (Gates, Gonzalez, Witten, and KW2 (3 more catches than ey)).

I simply don't care if ey is deemed athletically "special" by some long time GM. All I care about is that fact that he puts up top flight numbers when he is healthy. I don't care if he is flashy when doing it. He is a substance over style type player.

He has more catches than Mike Ditka, Dave Casper, Jay Novacek, Brent Jones and our own Jerry Smith had in their NFL careers! And he can probably play for another five years.

Yep ey is nothing special!

I don't think that the GM meant his "not special" comment as a put down. I think that he is saying that ey is not flashy, not the fastest TE, not the best blocker, not the biggest TE, not the most athletic, not the most powerful, but he is a guy who gets the job done. He has the instincts to be where his QB needs him to be. That explains that stats that you provide. The comment in my opinon was tongue in cheek.

I don't think it was tongue in cheek. He's basically saying ey's overpaid and has no trade value.

"Tongue and cheek" is the wrong term that I used. This GM at the same time he is saying ey is not special, sees ey as special.
Not sure what you call that.

Let's look at all the attributes the longtime unnamed GM says about ey

Negatives:

1. not a go to guy
2. don't pay a guy like that much
3. no trade value
4. never fast
5. never a great blocker
6. don't know if he is a fit where Redskins are going
7. If healthy

Summary of Negatives: The GM sees ey as not a special TE

Positives:

1. a guy the quarterback gets comfortable with[
2. easy pitch-and-catch guy
3. a sure guy
4. I’d want him
5. This quarterback needs every weapon he can count on.
6. and he’ll be a favorite target because he’s so dependable.
7. he does have value (to Washington)
8. He's always in the right place
9. good routes
10. great instincts
11. clutch
12. glue guy

Summary of positives: The GM seems to be implying that ey is special - great instincts, dependability, clutch, are special qualities that only so few players have. He has to admit that he would want ey.

I don't see the overall quote of this GM as a put down of ey. Just an honest assessment of ey from an opposing longtime GM, who has to be careful how he says things. There is more than enough positives in his statement to say tha tCooley is respected around the league.

[Deadskins]

I don't see the overall quote of this GM as a put down of ey. Just an honest assessment of ey from an opposing longtime GM, who has to be careful how he says things. There is more than enough positives in his statement to say tha tCooley is respected around the league.

I can agree with that, though I'm not sure it's an opposing GM. I get the feeling it's Casserly for some reason.

[DarthMonk]

Here’s what one longtime general manager said he would do with tight end Chris ey, “He’s a glue guy, not a go-to guy. He’s a guy the quarterback gets comfortable with, and he’s an easy pitch-and-catch guy and a sure guy. But he’s not special. I don’t pay a guy like that much. Right now he’s a $3 million a year guy. I’d want him. This quarterback needs every weapon he can count on, and he’ll be a favorite target because he’s so dependable. So he does have value [to Washington], but there’s no market place for those guys. It’s just more based on what he brings intangibly to the offense. He’s always in the right place. If he’s healthy, you like him. He never was fast. He never was a great blocker. He had really good hands, and he knew how to run good routes, and he has great instincts. You think more in terms of clutch. … But because of the offense they want to run, I don’t know if he’s a fit anymore.”

http://community.washingtonexaminer.com/redskins/

I saw this as very realistic and, overall, positive. I think he's saying that, much like Fletch, Chris is worth more to us than he is to anyone else - if healthy. He'd probably fetch little or nothing in a trade and meanwhile, if Chris is healthy, he can do a lot for us - probably more than he could do for anyone else.

He IS at risk.

DarthMonk