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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:30 am
by SCSkinsFan
Hint: Washington was not on P Manning's intinerary. Maybe he already knew something. Anyway, now that the die is cast, let the RGIII era began and hope for the best. Only time will tell if this was the right move. The guy seems to have the tools to make this work. Now the Skins just need to go out and get him some support and protection. If it works, no one will care about the picks we gave up. Don't forget, Bruce Allen is George Allen's son. That apple didn't fall far from that tree.
Re: "Fleeced"
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:31 am
by Deadskins
Judge wrote:RG3 is an amazingly gifted athlete.
The Redskins don't need an athlete.
They need a quarterback. Desperately.
Fort Worth, huh?
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:36 am
by emoses14
I know, Man! The Rams sure were. I can't believe they'd be this stupid to pass up RGIII for Sam, I can't stay healthy or upright Bradford!
I'm glad a real redskin fan sees this trade the same way I do!
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:47 am
by Warmother
I'm not a big fan of trading multiple picks for 1 player, but I have no problem with this deal.
RG3 or Luck may be the the missing piece to being a consistent playoff team. Heck if he can come in this year and get the Skin's to 8-8. Then to 12-4 in 2013 then those picks really are not that valuable.
I love the deal.
Re: "Fleeced"
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:51 am
by TimSkin
Deadskins wrote:Judge wrote:RG3 is an amazingly gifted athlete.
The Redskins don't need an athlete.
They need a quarterback. Desperately.
Fort Worth, huh?
LOVE IT!!!!
Re: "Fleeced"
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:09 am
by Countertrey
Judge wrote:That is the word that they will be using in five years when they look back on this deal.
While the Rams can use their newly acquired treasure trove of first round picks to draft positions of need and build a much more competitive team...
All the Redskins will have to show for this trade are years where they go 4-12, 6-10, 3-13 and 5-11 and routinely get realistically eliminated from playoff contention by Halloween. And no first round stud picks of their own to choose from, barring any future trades to acquire them.
RG3 is a great athlete. No question about it. He can run really fast, he's ridiculously agile and he won a Heisman Trophy.
Some guys who are not as fast and agile as RG3 are and who did NOT win the Heisman Trophy are: Joe Montana, Ben Roethlisberger, Troy Aikman, Tom Brady and BOTH Manning brothers.
(And before you go there, that's not racial commentary. It's simply the matter of fact.)
So to review...
The Rams are being given a golden opportunity to draft their way back into contention in their division from the ground up and for the long haul, and maybe even be a playoff team before very long. And with Jeff Fisher as their coach now, those chances are probably even better.
And in exchange, the Redskins are going to get a quarterback who can run really fast and who won some games in college.
And so, once again, we see that the people in charge of our favorite team opt for eye-candy and making a big splash instead of good old fashioned common sense.
Drafts are always a gamble, yes. High picks sometimes go bust. Low picks sometimes have long, productive careers. Nothing is certain and there's a large amount of luck necessary for things to work out well.
But the Redskins are taking a foolish risk on this one by gambling with so many assets, and they can expect a LOT of second-guessing when this trade doesn't work out for them.
And it won't. Watch.
RG3 is an amazingly gifted athlete.
The Redskins don't need an athlete.
They need a quarterback. Desperately.
Was the price steep? Yes.
Was it worth it? Don't know... but I'm betting YES
Is this post off base... oh, yeah. This is not merely a gifted athlete... but a gifted mind, as well, a young man who has a very strong team focus, and humble roots.
Ask yourself... Do the Giants regret the cost for Eli?
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:10 am
by Redskin in Canada
It was an ASTRONOMICAL bet/price.
If it works, they are geniuses!
If it does not, the FO and coaches are out and the Skins are in deep crap for the next few years.
I will not
predict success or failure, nor will I
predict whether the cost was worth it or not. I do not have the knowledge or insight to justify or criticize this trade. I will just hope for success.
Awful nervous though.
Re: "Fleeced"
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:10 am
by DarthMonk
Judge wrote:RG3 is an amazingly gifted athlete.
The Redskins don't need an athlete.
They need a quarterback. Desperately.
DarthMonk
Re: "Fleeced"
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:11 am
by Countertrey
DarthMonk wrote:Judge wrote:RG3 is an amazingly gifted athlete.
The Redskins don't need an athlete.
They need a quarterback. Desperately.
DarthMonk
Fort Worth?
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:13 am
by riggofan
OH god. I predict we're going to spend the next week reading posts from newbies crying over this trade.
Re: "Fleeced"
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:13 am
by Redskin in Canada
Countertrey wrote:Was it worth it? Don't know... but I'm betting YES
The key word is "betting". I agree.
This move reverses the trend established last year to grow steadily through the draft and bring young people. Hopefully the Cap space left will be enough to sign some good FAs.
Can anybody bring a GREAT OL for this kid? PLEASE!!!!!!
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:13 am
by StorminMormon86
Redskin in Canada wrote:It was an ASTRONOMICAL bet/price.
If it works, they are geniuses!
If it does not, the FO and coaches are out and the Skins are in deep crap for the next few years.
I will not
predict success or failure, nor will I
predict whether the cost was worth it or not. I do not have the knowledge or insight to justify or criticize this trade. I will just hope for success.
Awful nervous though.
+1,000,000
Re: "Fleeced"
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:14 am
by SouthLondonRedskin
DarthMonk wrote:Judge wrote:That is the word that they will be using in five years when they look back on this deal.
The prediction is made.
Judge wrote:While the Rams can use their newly acquired treasure trove of first round picks to draft positions of need and build a much more competitive team...
Yes ...
Judge wrote:All the Redskins will have to show for this trade are years where they go 4-12, 6-10, 3-13 and 5-11 and routinely get realistically eliminated from playoff contention by Halloween. And no first round stud picks of their own to choose from, barring any future trades to acquire them.
... an even bolder predition is made. We could have those records with Rex. Is RGIII that bad? Really?
Judge wrote:RG3 is a great athlete. No question about it. He can run really fast, he's ridiculously agile and he won a Heisman Trophy.
All true.
Judge wrote:Some guys who are not as fast and agile as RG3 are and who did NOT win the Heisman Trophy are: Joe Montana, Ben Roethlisberger, Troy Aikman, Tom Brady and BOTH Manning brothers.
(And before you go there, that's not racial commentary. It's simply the matter of fact.)
All true.
So to review...
Judge wrote:The Rams are being given a golden opportunity to draft their way back into contention in their division from the ground up and for the long haul, and maybe even be a playoff team before very long. And with Jeff Fisher as their coach now, those chances are probably even better.
No doubt.
Judge wrote:And in exchange, the Redskins are going to get a quarterback who can run really fast and who won some games in college.
More truth.
Judge wrote:And so, once again, we see that the people in charge of our favorite team opt for eye-candy and making a big splash instead of good old fashioned common sense.
Fast, agile eye candy - if only he could think and throw.
Judge wrote:Drafts are always a gamble, yes. High picks sometimes go bust. Low picks sometimes have long, productive careers. Nothing is certain and there's a large amount of luck necessary for things to work out well.
Reasonable.
Judge wrote:But the Redskins are taking a foolish risk on this one by gambling with so many assets, and they can expect a LOT of second-guessing when this trade doesn't work out for them.
It is a risk. It may or may not be foolish. Looks like the 2nd guessing has already started.
Judge wrote:And it won't. Watch.
You can bet we'll all watch. I noticed you called the Redskins "them" not "us." Is this a principle of yours or are you a fan of another team?
Judge wrote:RG3 is an amazingly gifted athlete.
Yes.
Judge wrote:The Redskins don't need an athlete.
We need many.
Judge wrote:They need a quarterback. Desperately.
I think we just got one. He looks as good as any QB who's come out in a few decades plus he can do all the stuff you say. You make it sound like he's fast and agile and that's it. That's just wrong. The rest is conjecture and you may be right. You imply he's no better or even worse than Rex. Not buying that at all.
Going to any games?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6JryHp0gJsDarthMonk
Good work DM!
A fine disection of a contridictory and disturbingly pessimistic post.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:23 am
by jr_uscg
I'm with you SCSkinsFan, all picks will be forgotten if RGIII succeeds and i wish him the best! Call me crazy, but I like him better than Luck. Oh, sorry for the double post, my bad...
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:27 am
by StorminMormon86
I'm somewhat leery about giving up what we gave away for Griffin, but at least we got (by all accounts) a future star QB on our team. I definitely do not mind the fact that Griffin will be on our team, BUT I still don't want to get over confident. I keep reading things like, "Do you think the Giants are made for giving away what they gave for Eli..." on message boards and article comments, etc. But it's still a gamble no matter how you look at it. Remember what we gave away for Brad Johnson? And what happened to the depth rebuilding of the "Shanaplan"?
All in all, I'm still going to be "cautiously optimisic" about the 2012 season. I just hope RGIII lives up to the hype and then some.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:28 am
by Burgundy&Wha?
Think about this: Gregg Williams institutes a bounty policy for the defense. The Skins D is likely responsible for the injury that set Peyton Manning on his current path. With a healthy Peyton, the Colts are not looking to draft a QB. That impacts the value of all that falls after their pick. Who's the DC in St. Louis that benefits from this: Gregg Williams.
Gregg Williams is a dick.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:32 am
by Redskin in Canada
Snout wrote:So much for building through the draft. You know what this reminds me of? The Herschel Walker trade.
This was the dumbest move the Redskins have made in the 30 years I have been a fan. It is stupid to trade so much for one guy -- a guy who might not be as good as everyone hopes, a guy who might get injured on opening day.
So much for patience and sticking with a long term strategy.
In addition to all the other pressure our new pick would have faced, he will now have the additional pressure of knowing that we traded so much for him.
He better not make any mistakes!
Yikes. Woe is me.
Almost everybody will argue on your side IF the deal ends up in an injury or just not meeting "franchise QB" expectations.
Hell, I can see Dan Snyder happy. He has an "attraction", which might bring interest and attendance back. He will sell tons of RGIII merchandise, endorsements, etc. So, EVEN if it does not work out in the field, Danny makes a TON of money.
The ones really gambling here are the FO and coaches with their jobs and ... the fans (who only have two options: stay and spend or leave).
I thought they would stick to the Shanaplan. They did not. It is a WIN TODAY league. I hope it works out for us fans.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:36 am
by Countertrey
Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Think about this: Gregg Williams institutes a bounty policy for the defense. The Skins D is likely responsible for the injury that set Peyton Manning on his current path. With a healthy Peyton, the Colts are not looking to draft a QB. That impacts the value of all that falls after their pick. Who's the DC in St. Louis that benefits from this: Gregg Williams.
Gregg Williams is a dick.
The implication that the hit on Manning was a cheap shot makes the last comment a bit ironic...
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:37 am
by StorminMormon86
riggofan wrote:OH god. I predict we're going to spend the next week reading posts from newbies crying over this trade.
It's kind of amusing how 99% of Skins fans were on RGIII's jock, and then when the Skins pulled the trigger and got the number 2, all of a sudden there's all of this pissing and moaning over us "mortaging our future away".
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:38 am
by Prowl33
Now pick up vjack/colston and, yes and, Pierre garcon. Keep hankerson, moss, Armstrong.
Griffin is the kinda guy that will make a bad oline look OK, and an OK line look good. So with our line last year (pre injuries) he would be fine, but we could use some depth there for sure.
I see us 10-6 this year, if you inserted Griffin into our team last year with no other changes there's 4+ more games we would of won that we barely lost due to Rex throwing pics. Which would of had us in the playoffs.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:46 am
by Cappster
Welcome to DC RGIII! And welcome to DC Vincent Jackson (hopefully)! I am glad we took a shot on a guy who could legitimately become a franchise QB. The skins had to pull the trigger on trying to get a franchise QB as those don't come via free agency with the exception being Drew Brees. I'd rather take a shot on a stud at the most important position in football rather than keeping "filling positions" with first round picks that aren't as impactful on W's and L's.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:52 am
by cowboyhater4life
Was this trade made to early?
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:56 am
by cowboykillerzRGiii
If you seriously didn't cry upon reading all this eat.. badword
RGiii.. I'm on board and can't wait to buy your jersey
Re: "Fleeced"
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:57 am
by Deadskins
Redskin in Canada wrote:This move reverses the trend established last year to grow steadily through the draft and bring young people.
I disagree. We still have seven picks this year (and our first rounder will net us a franchise QB), seven next year (no first rounder, but that hardly means we can't have a productive draft), and six (for now) in 2014. We can continue to build through the draft.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:00 am
by Irn-Bru
cowboyhater4life wrote:Was this trade made to early?
I don't think so. If it gets done before FA, then we have something more concrete to offer the stud wide receiver that we'll (hopefully) sign.