Skins are front runner for RGIII

[DarthMonk]

Who says that Tannehill won't turn into a franchise qb?

Me.

DarthMonk

[SkinsJock]

Tannehill MIGHT very well be a really good QB

There is NO DOUBT about the future for RGIII

The Redskins can consider a lot of options at QB but the TOP PRIORITY is to add RGIII

[Jeremy81]

Tannehill MIGHT very well be a really good QB

There is NO DOUBT about the future for RGIII

The Redskins can consider a lot of options at QB but the TOP PRIORITY is to add RGIII

I get what youre saying, but there is ALWAYS a doubt when it comes to a payer that hasn't played a down in the nfl...

[Irn-Bru]

Who says that Tannehill won't turn into a franchise qb? The guy is most likely going to be a first round pick, he's not some scrub.

Would he have been a first round pick if everyone else didn't go back to school for another year?

If not, then he truly isn't a first-round talent.

I don't think that's fair. This year's class of QBs was going to be the most packed since 1999. In an average year, which we are much closer to with only Luck/RG declaring of the top talent, Tannehill is a 1st round pick.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I don't think that's fair. This year's class of QBs was going to be the most packed since 1999. In an average year, which we are much closer to with only Luck/RG declaring of the top talent, Tannehill is a 1st round pick.

That's fine. I wasn't trying to down the dude because I'm far from knowledgeable about collegiate talent. But you guys answered my question.

[Irn-Bru]

What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Let me ask this question. We're going to pay all that for an unproven player. There's rumors out there that Tim Hasselbeck may be on the trading block.

I'm guessing your question is, "You think it's worth that many picks to acquire an unproven player?" This question has two parts: (1) the chances that RGIII will succeed, and (2) the amount we are paying to take that risk.

On (1), I don't buy the "unproven" line. Sure, RGIII hasn't played in the NFL, but it's not like his college experience is irrelevant. Yes, there are busts in the draft, but the fact is that (especially with QBs) the best players tend to be taken very high in the draft. You can rummage around lower picks or scour the free agent market for overlooked talent, but by far the most effective way to acquire a top QB is to draft one in the first round.

(Or, let me put it this way: in the last 20 years we've had one massive draft bust at QB, two 1st round QB picks that proved mediocre, maybe 1-2 solid FA QBs, and an enormous number of mediocre-to-awful FA QBs. Right now we have more reason to be wary of yet another FA QB "solution" than one we draft.)

With RGIII in particular, analysts universally agree that he's likely to be a starter from day one and a franchise player over the long haul. They are saying that a talent like his hasn't been available in the draft in years. Many say that he's at least as good as Luck (I don't buy that, but a lot of people I respect are saying it). These aren't the kinds of things analysts say about whatever top QB is available every year. So, with the proviso that we all know RGIII could be a bust, it's safe to say that he's about as sure a thing as a team can really count on for a prospective draft pick.

Washington could get a RT, WR, QB, and maybe more with those picks.

Now we turn to the question of (2) whether the risk of taking RGIII is worth what we are giving up.

Looking at your scenario, we could get either one RT or WR that we could count on to take over a starting slot on day one. Then we could pick up a QB and RT/WR that might compete for a spot.

So the question you are posing is: given the present state of the team, would I prefer to have RGIII or a starting RT/WR + a QB and RT/WR with potential to start?

I take RGIII. Right now this team is hurting the most for a decent quarterback. Our offensive line was looking good last year; we've got a running game; our receivers are adequate, even if we're missing that #1 stud; we've got a couple of big targets at TE. There is one missing piece of the puzzle. I'd rather see us put that in place than bolster either WR or OL while continuing to add layers of depth.

[SkinsJock]

Tannehill MIGHT very well be a really good QB
There is NO DOUBT about the future for RGIII
The Redskins can consider a lot of options at QB but the TOP PRIORITY is to add RGIII

I get what youre saying, but there is ALWAYS a doubt when it comes to a payer that hasn't played a down in the nfl...

I hear you Jeremy and that's technically true

HOWEVER - in recent drafts BECAUSE of what has happened with college QBs, the scrutiny and evaluation is a lot more severe

Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III will be prepared and coached-up to become 2 of the top 5 in the NFL

these 2 QBs offer more than any recent QBs coming out of college

my point was more that Tannehill MIGHT get to be really good - Luck & RGIII have a huge upside by comparison

[tribeofjudah]

CLL - there was really only one guy - Barkeley - who returned for his Sr season. Everyone else was right in line as Tannehill. Next years draft class will be much deeper than this years. That's why I'm not opposed to waiting a year.

I'm tired of having another mediocre year....!!!

[CanesSkins26]

What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Let me ask this question. We're going to pay all that for an unproven player. There's rumors out there that Tim Hasselbeck may be on the trading block.

Washington could get a RT, WR, QB, and maybe more with those picks.

I think a franchise QB could do more for this team than a new RT, WR, and Tannehill/Hasselbeck. Heck, we had bookend tackles with Gibbs, plus ey and Moss in their prime and went on to set a record for least points scored in a playoff victory before getting knocked out. Good team, but bad QB play.

Who says that Tannehill won't turn into a franchise qb? The guy is most likely going to be a first round pick, he's not some scrub.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade up for Griffin (I think we should), but there is plenty we could do with those picks that we would trading away. For example, draft Blackmon in the first and use the 2nd rounder and other picks to trade up into the mid or late first to draft Tannehill.

No thanks. Who says Tannehill will? I think RGIII has bigger upside, and is head and shoulders ahead of Tannehill. I'm just not to pleased with what I see from tape.

Also, Tannehill will go somewhere mid 1st. So that means you'll have to swap our 2nd for the 15th pick (for example), plus the 3rd and both 4th to pick up what amounts to an average player with potential. So would you rather...

Trade up for griff so the draft looks like this
1st RGIII
2nd RT like Mike Adams or Cordy Glenn
4th C Philip Blake (no way he drops this far) or David Molk
5th
6th
7th
And pick up a OG and WR in free agency but lose a 1st next year

Or stay pat and look like this
1st Blackmon
1st Tannehill
5th
6th
6th
7th

Grab a OG and an OT in FA
answer to me is pretty obvious

I never said I preferred that Blackmonn/Tannehill option. In fact, if you READ my post, I specifically said I favored trading up for RGIII. I was using this as an example of other ways we can improve the qb situation without giving up as much, or if we cant get RGIII.

[CanesSkins26]

CLL - there was really only one guy - Barkeley - who returned for his Sr season. Everyone else was right in line as Tannehill. Next years draft class will be much deeper than this years. That's why I'm not opposed to waiting a year.

I'm tired of having another mediocre year....!!!

What do you think is going to happen if we start a rookie? A playoff run?

[CanesSkins26]

my point was more that Tannehill MIGHT get to be really good - Luck & RGIII have a huge upside by comparison

Tannehill has some significant upside. This is a guy that was athletic enough to play wide receiver in the Big 12. His issue isn't upside, it's experience since he only played qb for a year-and-a-half at Texas A&M.

[Chris Luva Luva]

What do you think is going to happen if we start a rookie? A playoff run?

Possibly... I mean look at what Cam did last year and that teams as a whole isn't as good as the Redskins. U put Cam on our squad last year and we win the division... It's amazing how a talent can uplift the surrounding talent. It's arguable that Rex could have got us to .500 if he wasn't benched... I'd argue that a rookie RGIII could get us there. Look at how well the Bengals did with a rookie... What if we get RGIII and Dwayne Bowe via FA...? Couple that with the RB's we have, the TE's and a top 10 defense (when u aren't turning the ball over 3+ times a game). That to me sounds like a 8-9 win team. 9-7 won the NFC East last year and subsequently the SB. I don't think you can count the rookie QB out.

[SkinsJock]

I'm tired of having another mediocre year!

What do you think is going to happen if we start a rookie? A playoff run?

in a word - YES

I'm not a blind homer - I have a lot of faith in these guys to continue what they've done here

I hope we add RGIII - that will be great but ....

I don't expect miracles from RGIII - his real worth will most likely come in the years down the road not in the first year
I'm excited about RGIII in the years ahead - NOT 2012

This kid is going to need a bunch of time to even be a good NFL QB

HOWEVER - we already have a lot of pieces in place and we're OBVIOUSLY going to need a FA QB

we might have Grossman but he's disaster relief ONLY

Peyton and Troy took a year to get there - HOWEVER - they did not have the quality of players we ALREADY have here

[Irn-Bru]

What do you think is going to happen if we start a rookie? A playoff run?

That happens often enough that I'm surprised you say this.

[riggofan]

What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Let me ask this question. We're going to pay all that for an unproven player. There's rumors out there that Tim Hasselbeck may be on the trading block.

Washington could get a RT, WR, QB, and maybe more with those picks.

I know what you're saying, but I don't see how you can waste the opportunity to bring in your franchise QB for the next decade because you'd like to draft a RT and another WR this year too.

Would I rather have RGIII or Tannehill + a 2d round RT + a 3d round WR?

I think I'll take RGIII, roll the dice on Jammal Brown again and see if we can bring in Vincent Jackson.

[riggofan]

What do you think is going to happen if we start a rookie? A playoff run?

That happens often enough that I'm surprised you say this.

Yeah I don't see why this is so crazy.

And even if we don't make the playoffs next year, I'd still take a season like the Panthers had with Cam Newton in 2011 vs. watching the exercise in futility of trotting Rex and Beck out there every Sunday.

[CanesSkins26]

What do you think is going to happen if we start a rookie? A playoff run?

Possibly... I mean look at what Cam did last year and that teams as a whole isn't as good as the Redskins. U put Cam on our squad last year and we win the division... It's amazing how a talent can uplift the surrounding talent. It's arguable that Rex could have got us to .500 if he wasn't benched... I'd argue that a rookie RGIII could get us there. Look at how well the Bengals did with a rookie... What if we get RGIII and Dwayne Bowe via FA...? Couple that with the RB's we have, the TE's and a top 10 defense (when u aren't turning the ball over 3+ times a game). That to me sounds like a 8-9 win team. 9-7 won the NFC East last year and subsequently the SB. I don't think you can count the rookie QB out.

Cam Newton set the record for most passing yards EVER by a rookie. To expect something like that from RGIII, if he were to even start Day 1, is unrealistic at this point. And even with the record breaking performance of Cam Newton the Panthers still only won 6 games.

There has been no free agency yet, or the draft, so we don't even know how much better we will be, or any of the other teams in our division or conference, so making predictions for the playoffs at this point in time is stupid.

[CanesSkins26]

What do you think is going to happen if we start a rookie? A playoff run?

That happens often enough that I'm surprised you say this.

We have to wait until after free agency and the draft to make these predictions. If we just add RGIII, with no other major additions, then no chance we make the playoffs. Improve the oline, add a big-time receiver, and fix the secondary...then you might be looking at a playoff run. Anybody expecting RGIII to come in here, in this division, and start working miracles from Day 1 is setting themselves up for some serious disappointment.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Cam Newton set the record for most passing yards EVER by a rookie. To expect something like that from RGIII, if he were to even start Day 1, is unrealistic at this point. And even with the record breaking performance of Cam Newton the Panthers still only won 6 games.

There has been no free agency yet, or the draft, so we don't even know how much better we will be, or any of the other teams in our division or conference, so making predictions for the playoffs at this point in time is stupid.

You're missing the point. I'm not expecting RGIII to be Cam or do what Cam did. Substitute Andy Dalton with Cam... My point is that RGIII's ability can elevate the talent around him. Very simple. We were arguably a .500 with Rex, it's not unreasonable to think we could win 9 games in my hypothetical scenario. That's all it is, a scenario.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Exactly. There were two rookie qbs in the playoffs last year, and neither had the resume RGIII does entering the NFL.
With the cap room we have addressing the players in FA that we need and can't draft w the picks we are trading, should be easier then not.
Add RGIII or any qb that plays even slightly better the Rex then we are a playoff team. Keep the turn over machine off and imo our D is a top ten D. Couple that w a versatile athletic and accurate qb the line looks better the rbs job is easier and wr can make better plays.
Adding RGIII are we a playoff CALIBER TEAM? Absolutely.

[chiefhog44]

What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Let me ask this question. We're going to pay all that for an unproven player. There's rumors out there that Tim Hasselbeck may be on the trading block.

Washington could get a RT, WR, QB, and maybe more with those picks.

I think a franchise QB could do more for this team than a new RT, WR, and Tannehill/Hasselbeck. Heck, we had bookend tackles with Gibbs, plus ey and Moss in their prime and went on to set a record for least points scored in a playoff victory before getting knocked out. Good team, but bad QB play.

Who says that Tannehill won't turn into a franchise qb? The guy is most likely going to be a first round pick, he's not some scrub.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade up for Griffin (I think we should), but there is plenty we could do with those picks that we would trading away. For example, draft Blackmon in the first and use the 2nd rounder and other picks to trade up into the mid or late first to draft Tannehill.

No thanks. Who says Tannehill will? I think RGIII has bigger upside, and is head and shoulders ahead of Tannehill. I'm just not to pleased with what I see from tape.

Also, Tannehill will go somewhere mid 1st. So that means you'll have to swap our 2nd for the 15th pick (for example), plus the 3rd and both 4th to pick up what amounts to an average player with potential. So would you rather...

Trade up for griff so the draft looks like this
1st RGIII
2nd RT like Mike Adams or Cordy Glenn
4th C Philip Blake (no way he drops this far) or David Molk
5th
6th
7th
And pick up a OG and WR in free agency but lose a 1st next year

Or stay pat and look like this
1st Blackmon
1st Tannehill
5th
6th
6th
7th

Grab a OG and an OT in FA
answer to me is pretty obvious

I never said I preferred that Blackmonn/Tannehill option. In fact, if you READ my post, I specifically said I favored trading up for RGIII. I was using this as an example of other ways we can improve the qb situation without giving up as much, or if we cant get RGIII.

And if you read my post, I didn't like the example.

[yajexyage]

Am I the only one that thinks 2011 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 2012 1st is way too much for any player? Guess RGIII can throw to himself and block for himself. Can he play "D" too?
Oh wait, there are a few lineman and receivers in free agency we can grab and if they don't work out we can just blame Danny boy..
Maybe it's me, maybe Im mad but I just dont get it...

[DarthMonk]

Lotta threads. Gettin' frayed.

DarthMonk

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Ok ill break it down for ya...
Its not this years first plus plus we are swapping first for a better first.
Sp that leaves a second and fourth or third and fourth this year and a first next year. As far as o linemen and WR or DBs to be had in thd later rounds they are just as much if not much more of a gamble vs a YOUNG proven vet.
So imo we are swapping our first this year.. Making a bigger splash in FA on proven guys vs drafting them (great year to do so w all the cap room we have) and only really losing a first rounder next year. Next year there isn't a qb as good as rgiii available so nows the time ya?
I predict we do better then this year so let's say we pick 20th next year.. That's not exactly gonna be a star player right away right? So wht are we losing vs gaining?

Never seen a team full of rookies and 2nd year guys win it all have you? Point being yes u build through the draft but part of that is making moves to get an impact player. this year that happens to be a guy that can be the face of the franchise and who we build around for years. He aint cheap... But well worth it. its time we go for it and he is it that's all. We aren't a horrible team and have options in FA.. Of course a QB isn't really one. No to payton no to Flynn or Orton. YES to rgiii!

[Countertrey]

I had no idea that we were using last year's picks again! Sounds like a hell of a bargain!