Why we won't draft a QB in rounds 1 or 2

[The Hogster]

I mean "system" in the sense that he is in he best offense in the NFL. Take away that line and those receivers, give him the Skins' mediocre offensive talent and I think he struggles much the same way Rex did. Nothing in what he did in college or so far in the pros shows that he is the type of qb that can lift an offense.

That's a fair point man, and I agree with what you're saying. But you can almost say that about any QB you bring in here who isn't Cam Newton. Whatever QB you bring in is going to have to deal with our mediocre offensive talent.

I also don't think he will struggle the same way Rex did. Grossman's big issue was the ludicrous number of interceptions. If somebody like Flynn or Kyle Orton or whoever can come in, play better than Beck did and turn the ball over less than Rex that is an upgrade, don't you think?

Having an improvement over Beck or Rex would be good, but I don't want another good or OK QB. I want to be one of those teams that didn't have think about their starting QB for ten years. I want a guy that can be considered a franchise QB.

Is it too much to ask that my team can find a franchise QB in the draft once every 75 years?

I am not one of those people that thinks it is a good ideas to mortgage the future to get the chance to draft a player that MIGHT be a franchise QB, but I'm sick and tired pf not having a QB that I can call a Probowl quality player.

So I'm starting to feel desperate. Think about it. How many QBs have we had that we can call a franchise qb? Joey T (barely), Sonny (yes but we traded for him), and Sammy (75 freaking years ago).

Sure we drafted Norm Snead who we traded for Sonny and he was better than anything we have draft since, so maybe you count him, but that was still about 50 years ago!

We HAVE to find a franchise qb! Our team will never be consistently good w/o one. Think about how many SBs Gibbs would have won of he had had Montana, Simms, Boomer, Kelly or Kosar?

With that said, if MS feels that there is a Franchise QB there and he can put together a deal to get him, he should do it!

But unlike everyone spouting, "RG3 well be long gone before #6". Well let me point out it is January and a ton can change between now and the end of Aprill. Also, there are almost always QBs that drop a lot farther than people expect. Gabbert was definitely hoping to be gone by #10 last year so if we wanted him we needed to move up. Wrong. Aaron Rodgers was possibly going to be the 1st player drafted, but he went 23rd ish. Same for Brady Quinn.

There are very real situations where RG3 could fall to #6 and even worse we pass on him.

Now I'm sure I'm going to get a ton of the "no way he will be there" and "if he's there its a lock we're taking him" post, but don't waste your time, because...

There is NO WAY YOU CAN KNOW THAT FOR SURE! So save your breath, or fingers.

I understand exactly what you're saying. My only point is that there are possibly other "franchise" qbs in this draft not named Griffin or Luck. And, as fans, we'd be better served to take a look at those other guys because "franchise" qbs are not all drafted in the Top 6.

[1niksder]

I understand exactly what you're saying. My only point is that there are possibly other "franchise" qbs in this draft not named Griffin or Luck. And, as fans, we'd be better served to take a look at those other guys because "franchise" qbs are not all drafted in the Top 6.

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Even if Griff falls to #6 (which is highly possible), I don't see a problem with also looking at and drafting one of those other guys. Looking at how many QBs went down this year, and the Redskins roster drafting two and adding a FA wouldn't hurt

[skinsfan#33]

I understand exactly what you're saying. My only point is that there are possibly other "franchise" qbs in this draft not named Griffin or Luck. And, as fans, we'd be better served to take a look at those other guys because "franchise" qbs are not all drafted in the Top 6.

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Even if Griff falls to #6 (which is highly possible), I don't see a problem with also looking at and drafting one of those other guys. Looking at how many QBs went down this year, and the Redskins roster drafting two and adding a FA wouldn't hurt

No, I agree with both you and Hogster. We sghould look at EVERY possible way of getting a Franchise QB. I wasn't trying to say that we had to just get Luck or RG3, but they are the only two QBs that most expect to develope into franchise guys.

But if MS can find a QB via trade, FA or in the 7th round of the draft that can start for this team for 10+ year and play at a very high level then I'm for it.

I would prefer us to draft a QB (younger (except for Weeden) and usually cheaper).

Whatever route he takes MS HAS TO find that guy in this off season or we can expect anoother 5-10 years of the same old crap.

[GoSkins]

Most here feel the same way about the fact that we have not had a very good QB for a long while and we need a good QB
A very good QB is hard to find - this year we don't have a bunch of QBs available that look like being very good QBs

IF Mike & Bruce can find one - great - if not, we need to improve the play from the QB position and keep re making this franchise


DO NOT give up draft picks - get more draft picks if possible

STICK WITH THE PLAN

We will be a mediocre team unless we have a stud at QB. This is not debateable.

[SkinsJock]

We will be a mediocre team unless we have a stud at QB. This is not debateable.

WRONG - it is VERY much up for debate

This FO understands the need for better play from the QB and the offense - they will address that

now - I don't see a "stud QB" being on this team this year - we might get one but it's not likely

This team can be in the playoffs without a "stud QB"

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

What would be the benefit of not getting a stud? Another ok qb like we've had for 20+ years? No thanks

[Deadskins]

This team can be in the playoffs without a "stud QB"

Possibly, but we won't go very far. Who was the last SB winner without a franchise QB? Tampa Bay with Brad Johnson? Baltimore with Dilfer? I just don't think you can do it any more without a top-notch QB. It used to be that defenses won championships, but with all the rule changes, it QBs now. I want the Redskins to win it all, not just make the playoffs occasionally.

[EA7649]

Come on guys the redskins will end up selecting a Defensive Tackle with the 6th pick. haha jk. But I have a feeling the Redsksins will select WR Blackmon with the 6th pick. (Shanahan said they need elite Wide Receivers. We will probably pick up a QB in free agency or/and select the old 28 year old Brandon Weeden

[frankcal20]

You guys throw around the term "Stud" or "Franchise" players like they're just walking around out there. Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but EVERY TEAM is looking for the next GREAT QB. I don't care who the team is, they're looking to upgrade the position. No one player is perfect but if you have the right coaching, talent surrounding that player, etc you can grow a QB into a player that fits your system and can produce. That's how Brady was made and same with Rogers in my opinion.

[GoSkins]

You guys throw around the term "Stud" or "Franchise" players like they're just walking around out there. Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but EVERY TEAM is looking for the next GREAT QB. I don't care who the team is, they're looking to upgrade the position. No one player is perfect but if you have the right coaching, talent surrounding that player, etc you can grow a QB into a player that fits your system and can produce. That's how Brady was made and same with Rogers in my opinion.

I don't have the definition for stud or franchise QB either; or for that matter if the QB has "it". But we all know we don't have the aforementioned on our roster today. Shanny's success will be dependent on a major upgrade at our QB position. I have no idea who he will get but if I were a betting man Shanny will try to do it this year. We've read countless posts on our QB problem. And everyone has their own view as to what we should do. Hopefully Shanny gets the QB that will put us in a position to be a top tier team for the foreseaable future. As Bear Bryant used to say: "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s--t".

[EA7649]

If Rex Grossman or even worse John Beck is the starting qb next year because he didnt want to hurt their feelings. Im going to burn my orakapo jersey haha.

[frankcal20]

You guys throw around the term "Stud" or "Franchise" players like they're just walking around out there. Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but EVERY TEAM is looking for the next GREAT QB. I don't care who the team is, they're looking to upgrade the position. No one player is perfect but if you have the right coaching, talent surrounding that player, etc you can grow a QB into a player that fits your system and can produce. That's how Brady was made and same with Rogers in my opinion.

I don't have the definition for stud or franchise QB either; or for that matter if the QB has "it". But we all know we don't have the aforementioned on our roster today. Shanny's success will be dependent on a major upgrade at our QB position. I have no idea who he will get but if I were a betting man Shanny will try to do it this year. We've read countless posts on our QB problem. And everyone has their own view as to what we should do. Hopefully Shanny gets the QB that will put us in a position to be a top tier team for the foreseaable future. As Bear Bryant used to say: "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s--t".

I totally think that the QB situation will be addressed. My whole point is that none of us really know what they are thinking. I also don't think they're going to bring in a guy who doesn't fit their system. I think they're too stubborn to do that.

[Red_One43]

Come on guys the redskins will end up selecting a Defensive Tackle with the 6th pick. haha jk. But I have a feeling the Redsksins will select WR Blackmon with the 6th pick. (Shanahan said they need elite Wide Receivers. We will probably pick up a QB in free agency or/and select the old 28 year old Brandon Weeden

You listen well. Shanny did say that we need more playmakers, but I find it hard that the Rams will pass on Blackmon. Rams have the QB (Bradford). They need the stud receiver (Blackmon). I project the Rams to take Blackmon.

[Red_One43]

You guys throw around the term "Stud" or "Franchise" players like they're just walking around out there. Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but EVERY TEAM is looking for the next GREAT QB. I don't care who the team is, they're looking to upgrade the position. No one player is perfect but if you have the right coaching, talent surrounding that player, etc you can grow a QB into a player that fits your system and can produce. That's how Brady was made and same with Rogers in my opinion.

I can't speak to Brady about being made, you could probably support that argument with a research into why Brady was drafted in the 6th round. With Rodgers, that research was done and shared during the Thursday Night season opener. You have a good point about Rodgers. There is a reason he was passed over by so many teams. Rodger's college mechanics were analyzed and compared to his mechanics last year. The film doesn't lie - Rodgers clearly improved as a QB while he waited his time.

[frankcal20]

Brady's stock fell because he was demoted his senior year. He also was considered too slow and didn't have an NFL arm.

I think, and I'm not totally sure, but Brady's backup QB Hoyer from Mich. State is a FA at the end of the year. He may be worth a look.

[Red_One43]

Good point about Hoyer. Why would the Pats keep both Hoyer and Mallet.

If Hoke has he tools - strong arm and mobilty among others, I could see Shanny and Beli doing a trade and then Shanny drafting his own QB in the later rounds, like a TJ Yates or if lucky Tannehill falls to the 3rd round. IMO, this looks something that has shanny sense.

[GoSkins]

You guys throw around the term "Stud" or "Franchise" players like they're just walking around out there. Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but EVERY TEAM is looking for the next GREAT QB. I don't care who the team is, they're looking to upgrade the position. No one player is perfect but if you have the right coaching, talent surrounding that player, etc you can grow a QB into a player that fits your system and can produce. That's how Brady was made and same with Rogers in my opinion.

I don't have the definition for stud or franchise QB either; or for that matter if the QB has "it". But we all know we don't have the aforementioned on our roster today. Shanny's success will be dependent on a major upgrade at our QB position. I have no idea who he will get but if I were a betting man Shanny will try to do it this year. We've read countless posts on our QB problem. And everyone has their own view as to what we should do. Hopefully Shanny gets the QB that will put us in a position to be a top tier team for the foreseaable future. As Bear Bryant used to say: "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s--t".

I totally think that the QB situation will be addressed. My whole point is that none of us really know what they are thinking. I also don't think they're going to bring in a guy who doesn't fit their system. I think they're too stubborn to do that.

If you haven't read this blog that was posted earlier it's worth the read. Shanny does believe he is flexible with the different respective styles of his former QBs.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blog ... =34788&wjb

[frankcal20]

Good point about Hoke. Why would the Pats keep both Hoke and Mallet.

If Hoke has he tools - strong arm and mobilty among others, I could see Shanny and Beli doing a trade and then Shanny drafting his own QB in the later rounds, like a TJ Yates or if lucky Tannehill falls to the 3rd round. IMO, this looks something that has shanny sense.

His name is Hoyer. I think Hoke was in Louisville.

[Red_One43]

Good point about Hoke. Why would the Pats keep both Hoke and Mallet.

If Hoke has he tools - strong arm and mobilty among others, I could see Shanny and Beli doing a trade and then Shanny drafting his own QB in the later rounds, like a TJ Yates or if lucky Tannehill falls to the 3rd round. IMO, this looks something that has shanny sense.

His name is Hoyer. I think Hoke was in Louisville.

Thanks

[Red_One43]

You guys throw around the term "Stud" or "Franchise" players like they're just walking around out there. Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but EVERY TEAM is looking for the next GREAT QB. I don't care who the team is, they're looking to upgrade the position. No one player is perfect but if you have the right coaching, talent surrounding that player, etc you can grow a QB into a player that fits your system and can produce. That's how Brady was made and same with Rogers in my opinion.

I don't have the definition for stud or franchise QB either; or for that matter if the QB has "it". But we all know we don't have the aforementioned on our roster today. Shanny's success will be dependent on a major upgrade at our QB position. I have no idea who he will get but if I were a betting man Shanny will try to do it this year. We've read countless posts on our QB problem. And everyone has their own view as to what we should do. Hopefully Shanny gets the QB that will put us in a position to be a top tier team for the foreseaable future. As Bear Bryant used to say: "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s--t".

I totally think that the QB situation will be addressed. My whole point is that none of us really know what they are thinking. I also don't think they're going to bring in a guy who doesn't fit their system. I think they're too stubborn to do that.

If you haven't read this blog that was posted earlier it's worth the read. Shanny does believe he is flexible with the different styles of his previous respective QBs.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blog ... =34788&wjb

Thanks for posting. I am currently reading Shanny's book that he did with Schefter. He talks to this in the book.

[riggofan]

You guys throw around the term "Stud" or "Franchise" players like they're just walking around out there. Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but EVERY TEAM is looking for the next GREAT QB. I don't care who the team is, they're looking to upgrade the position. No one player is perfect but if you have the right coaching, talent surrounding that player, etc you can grow a QB into a player that fits your system and can produce. That's how Brady was made and same with Rogers in my opinion.

LOL. Too true. It does seem like people who understand the fact that we NEED a franchise QB often forget the fact that there is no sure recipe to finding/developing one.

[riggofan]

We will be a mediocre team unless we have a stud at QB. This is not debateable.

WRONG - it is VERY much up for debate

This FO understands the need for better play from the QB and the offense - they will address that

now - I don't see a "stud QB" being on this team this year - we might get one but it's not likely

This team can be in the playoffs without a "stud QB"

Definitely - I agree with you on this. The Bears made the super bowl with REX GROSSMAN.

I know some fans say "what's the point? super bowl or nothing." Personally I could be pretty happy just seeing this team start making the playoffs consistently. Start building a real winner. And if there isn't the long term answer at QB available for us this year, get the best possible QB we can now and keep looking. I'm tired of seeing the team out of contention in November.

[SkinsJock]

riggofan - I'm with you on this - I'm very frustrated about the amount of time that has gone by since we had a very good QB

I'm sure we will get one again and soon

the problem is we don't have one getting ready now and the current crop of free agents & college kids seems a little grim


we just have to keep with the remaking of this franchise and hope that we can get a future great QB on this roster soon


The FO needs to stick with the plan - it's obvious that the players we have are looking and playing better together

The QB issue is a big issue but it will work itself out and we need to keep adding to the mix