brad7686 wrote:1. Ryan Clark- cheap, underrated player
2. JC - underrated and better than what we have (not saying much)
3. Los. should have kept him, got wilson and dumped hall. He's dumb though, doesn't even know how to visit the eye doctor
Andre Carter does not fit the 3-4 and therefore was ok
Suisham is still awful. Gano is the man.
brad7686 wrote:1. Ryan Clark- cheap, underrated player
2. JC - underrated and better than what we have (not saying much)
3. Los. should have kept him, got wilson and dumped hall. He's dumb though, doesn't even know how to visit the eye doctor
Andre Carter does not fit the 3-4 and therefore was ok
Suisham is still awful. Gano is the man.
frankcal20 wrote:If his eyes have been bad his whole life, how is he to know that they are bad. It's all he knows. But I know when I get a basic physical every year, that's one of the first things the Dr checks. Sorry but that's on the team 1st in my opinion.Chris Luva Luva wrote:I tried to tell yall that Rodgers was good but....lol, I don't know why I wasted my breath.
Anyway, if contacts were the issue all along, Rodgers was at fault for not buying them.... #shrug
Irn-Bru wrote:brad7686 wrote:1. Ryan Clark- cheap, underrated player
2. JC - underrated and better than what we have (not saying much)
3. Los. should have kept him, got wilson and dumped hall. He's dumb though, doesn't even know how to visit the eye doctor
Andre Carter does not fit the 3-4 and therefore was ok
Suisham is still awful. Gano is the man.
Agreed on all of this. Someone else mentioned Antonio Pierce; I can't believe I forgot him. Lemar Marshall played hard for us, but he just couldn't fill that void. Pierce was on the fringe of Pro Bowl quality.
Irn-Bru wrote:It's really hard for me to take this thread seriously. How many people here were on record when Rogers left saying that it was a mistake to let him go?
As for Carter, the points have already been made in this thread. If you really wanted to retain (a) a 30+ year old player whose impact has been so-so, who (b) doesn't fit the new scheme going forward and will not be a key player on a rebuilding team . . . well . . . if you really wanted to retain him, I don't know what to say.
I can see the argument for keeping Jason Campbell. Surely he'd have performed better than Beck and probably Grossman. (Not that critics would be any quieter as a result.) But then again, he was the starter here, and it's not common for a starter in his prime, making #1 money, to sit on the bench for a few years while your team rebuilds. Campbell was not the long-term solution, but if it could have worked out to have him as a backup, we'd probably be better off.
I agree with most people here concerning Ryan Clark. That one is purely on Snyder, who was doing all of the player negotiations at the time and basically told Clark he could go screw himself because no team would beat what we were offering. What a surprise that Snyder's ego is behind one of the worst personnel screwups of the last eight years (or so).
The coulda woulda talk is mildly interesting, but again I can hardly take this thread seriously as some kind of discussion of Redskins failures. Letting good players go just hasn't been a feature of this team.
Irn-Bru wrote:Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:42 am Post subject:
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Cappster wrote:
I say wait until mid season to lock up Rogers. Lets get some of the "contract year performances" from him first and then lock him up.
VetSkinsFan wrote:
You run the risk of him running up his own price. I wouldn't want that to be a distraction during the year and would prefer to get it out of the way before the season starts. He's performed better and better by the year; I don't see why this year won't follow the trend.
Cappster wrote:
True that you run the risk of him running up his asking price, but hopefully he would learn how to catch better if big money is on the line. I mean he should have plenty of opportunities this year if our pass rush performs up to the hype. I see it is a catch 22 situation (no pun intended).
Blowwad wrote:
I know it's frustrating to see the dude drop all of those potential interceptions but he's a corner. His job is to prevent the other team from catching the ball. Dude had 24 passes deflected last year which is one more than Champ ever had and he always seemed to be on top of his receiver when the ball was thrown his way. I say pay the man.
blowwad wrote:Cappster wrote:
I say wait until mid season to lock up Rogers. Lets get some of the "contract year performances" from him first and then lock him up.
VetSkinsFan wrote:
You run the risk of him running up his own price. I wouldn't want that to be a distraction during the year and would prefer to get it out of the way before the season starts. He's performed better and better by the year; I don't see why this year won't follow the trend.
Cappster wrote:
True that you run the risk of him running up his asking price, but hopefully he would learn how to catch better if big money is on the line. I mean he should have plenty of opportunities this year if our pass rush performs up to the hype. I see it is a catch 22 situation (no pun intended).
Blowwad wrote:
I know it's frustrating to see the dude drop all of those potential interceptions but he's a corner. His job is to prevent the other team from catching the ball. Dude had 24 passes deflected last year which is one more than Champ ever had and he always seemed to be on top of his receiver when the ball was thrown his way. I say pay the man.
That's three people agreeing that we should keep him and looking at that date I'd say it was about, ohhh, 2 and a half years ago.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:It's really hard for me to take this thread seriously. How many people here were on record when Rogers left saying that it was a mistake to let him go?
<---- LOL I was prolly the only one. While I understood the INT griping, the guy was a great cover corner. Rarely beaten on a consistent basis. #shrug I liked him.
Gary Clark: I don't blame coaches for anything. Well, I blame the coaches for this. When you pick players who aren't willing to tweak your system, us as players, we just no more than coaches in terms of playing our position. The best thing about Joe Gibbs is he was a great strategist that allowed us to tweak his system when it needed to be tweaked. Joe Gibbs is a great head coach, the best head coach I ever got to play with, but Joe never played Receiver, or Punt Returner, or Running Back, or Quarterback. So he had to rely on these individuals who have been playing these positions pretty much their whole life to tweak something when it needed to be tweaked. And have the confidence to go, "OK, Joe, I'm running a scram 7 and I'm suppose to run a corner route but I know I've been giving the guy a 3-step post move, and he keeps going to the corner, they've been game planning us!" They watch film too. So, it's up to me to be like, "I'm not going to run to get covered." So, I'm going to run something else to adapt to this system. I'm going to run a corner hook when he thinks I'm going to the corner, but I'm going to slide back down.
I did it one time in the Championship game, so that's really not the right time to be wrong. (laughing). But you got to have the confidence to be like, "You know what, I'm right, and this is gonna work out." If I am wrong, I'll have to take the punishment that comes along with it, but you got to have a coach that is willing to let you tweak their system. If they don't allow you to tweak their system, than they're a bad coach because we're the true football players.
Gary Clark: Yea. A lot of time players are scared to make that adjustment because if they're doing exactly what is told of them, if something doesn't work, then you say, "Well, I ran the route you told me to. I blocked it the way you told me to block it. So, you can't really punish me for it."
I was neutral on it... I am on record as defending him as an excellent cover corner... but acknowledged that his inability to actually catch resulted in quarterbacks not being afraid to throw in his direction...Deadskins wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:How many people here were on record when Rogers left saying that it was a mistake to let him go?
I was, and still am. He was our best CB.
frankcal20 wrote:I'm on record being a Rogers fan. Sound tackler in run support and while he couldn't catch for **** he was usually in good position to make a play. Happy he's having success b/c the general fan base gave him hell and was under too much pressure to make a play every time instead of just playing free.
frankcal20 wrote:I think a lot of fan's gave him hell for not catching the ball and while he was able to hang in there for years, last year broke the camels back. I don't have a problem with it b/c I sure as hell know I would have snapped back long before he did. He was a better player than any of our current CBs.
don't metion it.