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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:The Redskins were possibly over-rated when they were 3-1 this team is a lot better than many think but not near as good as some think

I think this is the most accurate description of the team anyone has ever given. I just hope our "better" side shows up this Sunday.

See, you're setting yourself up for failure. Look man, this is the reality of it. Most of this "good side" you're talking about is on IR. So don't expect much.

and not even oh the roster yet .... i blame all this on the giants game we played a beat up team and that alone gave us all false hope like wow look out we can win the division after one game ??

WRONG - most here knew what we were looking at -it's not bad - it's certainly not winning the NFC east


coulda woulda shoulda - get with it - we are an 8-8 franchise

we're getting there - it's all up from here on out - always was

SkinsJock wrote::lol: WRONG - most here knew what we were looking at -it's not bad - it's certainly not winning the NFC east


coulda woulda shoulda - get with it - we are an 8-8 franchise

we're getting there - it's all up from here on out - always was

true but it did give ALOT of fans false hope ........ 8-8 not sure if we get to that but i would take it

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:The logic is there and your response is inconsistent with the thread.....don't highjack it. There are a million and one threads about our INEPT offense....I needn't start another

-If you can't comprehend how one effects the other, I'll explain it to you.

-If time of possession doesn't make sense to you, ask someone, we can explain it to you.

-If the word fatigue is foreign and how it relates to the line above, I'll explain it to you.

-If the concept of playing with a lead from a defensive POV, doesn't make sense. Just ask me.

So sir, to sum this up. You cannot accurately depict the defense without honestly discussing how the offense contributes to their success or lack thereof. But, if you're goal is to be inaccurate, which is a common theme around here. I'll still be happy to "hijack" your thread with sprinklings of love, joy and common sense.

The problem is that you are overstating the time of possession issues. On offense we are averaging 29:27 of possession. That's not great but it's not awful either. The problem with the D recently is that they can't get off the field. Over the last 3 games we are letting teams convert 43 percent of their 3rd downs. That's awful and has nothing to do with the offense.

As for the argument about playing from behind, a lot of that is the defense's own making. Over the last 3 games we have have given up an average of 14 points in the first half, which is among the worst in the NFL. In the second half of those games we've given up 11 on average. So it's not like the defense is being worn down and giving up points late. They are doing it to themselves early on in games recently.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:The logic is there and your response is inconsistent with the thread.....don't highjack it. There are a million and one threads about our INEPT offense....I needn't start another

-If you can't comprehend how one effects the other, I'll explain it to you.

-If time of possession doesn't make sense to you, ask someone, we can explain it to you.

-If the word fatigue is foreign and how it relates to the line above, I'll explain it to you.

-If the concept of playing with a lead from a defensive POV, doesn't make sense. Just ask me.

So sir, to sum this up. You cannot accurately depict the defense without honestly discussing how the offense contributes to their success or lack thereof. But, if you're goal is to be inaccurate, which is a common theme around here. I'll still be happy to "hijack" your thread with sprinklings of love, joy and common sense.

The problem is that you are overstating the time of possession issues. On offense we are averaging 29:27 of possession. That's not great but it's not awful either.

Except, that's significantly skewed by the first two games, when our TOP was over 35minutes... take those out, and what is it?

The problem with the D recently is that they can't get off the field. Over the last 3 games we are letting teams convert 43 percent of their 3rd downs. That's awful and has nothing to do with the offense.

As for the argument about playing from behind, a lot of that is the defense's own making. Over the last 3 games we have have given up an average of 14 points in the first half, which is among the worst in the NFL.

that includes numerous points off of turnovers with field position, doesn't it? With one exception, the defense has pretty much kept scoring below the opponent's average, I think...

In the second half of those games we've given up 11 on average. So it's not like the defense is being worn down and giving up points late. They are doing it to themselves early on in games recently.

I'm thinking that you can't ignore the context of the stats... you have to account for gimmes to the opponents off the hands of our offense...

CanesSkins26 wrote:The problem is that you are overstating the time of possession issues. On offense we are averaging 29:27 of possession. That's not great but it's not awful either. The problem with the D recently is that they can't get off the field. Over the last 3 games we are letting teams convert 43 percent of their 3rd downs. That's awful and has nothing to do with the offense.

If the offense stayed on the field longer the defense would have more time to rest. Sure, on offense we are averaging 29:27 of possession, and we are letting teams convert 43 percent of their 3rd downs over the last three games but over the last three games the Redskins average time of possession has only been around 23 minutes per game.

CanesSkins26 wrote:As for the argument about playing from behind, a lot of that is the defense's own making. Over the last 3 games we have have given up an average of 14 points in the first half, which is among the worst in the NFL. In the second half of those games we've given up 11 on average. So it's not like the defense is being worn down and giving up points late. They are doing it to themselves early on in games recently.

You can't call it the defense's own making when the offense has only scored on it's first possession once all season, and that was a Gano FG, the Skins have only scored first in two of seven games. When you have opening drives that end in turnovers, you convert only 33% of third downs, and then refuse to make adjustments to help a battered O-line you will be playing from behind a lot. That's not the defense's own making

Phillip Buchanon to IR via his facebook page. He posted it about an hour ago.

Yes, he is listed on IR on Redskins.com.

With Brandyn Thompson already moved up from the practice squad does this mean that Kareem Moore might be activated?

John Keim's take on our Defense after the Jet game:

The defense is a playoff-caliber unit. It's not a complete group yet, but it is much closer than the offense. One executive said he's impressed with the caliber of the Redskins' pass rush considering how few times they have played with a legitimate lead in the fourth quarter. That only should improve when rookie end Jarvis Jenkins is able to play next season. Of their front seven, only one current starter is older than 27 years old (linebacker London Fletcher). The big questions in the offseason will involve the secondary, particularly at safety.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nf ... z1ftYVp1C3

Red_One43 wrote:John Keim's take on our Defense after the Jet game:

The defense is a playoff-caliber unit. It's not a complete group yet, but it is much closer than the offense. One executive said he's impressed with the caliber of the Redskins' pass rush considering how few times they have played with a legitimate lead in the fourth quarter. That only should improve when rookie end Jarvis Jenkins is able to play next season. Of their front seven, only one current starter is older than 27 years old (linebacker London Fletcher). The big questions in the offseason will involve the secondary, particularly at safety.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nf ... z1ftYVp1C3

Thanks for that, RO! Good stuff... and in line with what most of us already know... this is a solid D. Just needs some help from the O...

Not this year, fellas...

Countertrey wrote:Thanks for that, RO! Good stuff... and in line with what most of us already know... this is a solid D. Just needs some help from the O...

Not this year, fellas...

Yessir! They're a good squad. I can't wait to see the impact that Jenkins can bring. Carriker is solid but he's not special, and I say that with full appreciation of his work ethic and contributions.

tribeofjudah wrote:We all know our Offense is INEPT....

Our D went from near last to about 11th last I saw. Sounds about right. Shut down? No. Was that a realistic expectation? No.

Yet another whiny post from the doom and gloom crowd who criticize The Danny...and act like him. Winning is the end of the process, not the beginning. Thank God that you're not making the decisions and Shannahan is. He seems to get it.

The Defense isn't bad. Not elite, but definitely "Good." And, not over rated. If we had an Offense that could (i) keep them off the field for over half the game, (ii) let them play with a lead once in a while, and (iii) stop making them defend a short field. Then, they would be even better.

They're not the Ravens, or Steelers. But, they are good. Definitely not "over rated."