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Red_One43 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/4/snyder-banks-is-in-it-for-the-long-run/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS


Booyah in yo face nay sayers

Nobody is nay saying dude. This thread was started for the very same reason that column was published. It seems to me that I took a lot of heat for bringing this up yet the entire team noticed it too.

I would like Banks to stay back there and I hope they figure this out.

Ah back on topic, If you read the article, you will see the author gives Banks his props for what he accomplished in the first two games. he author also addresses the lack of production that you describe Banks performance. To me, anytime a team has to game plan a player, that is being productive.

Once again, you have the opportunty to discuss and you play off a valid respsonse and try to play the victim that everybody is out to get you. Everyone on this site has posted one time or another a thread in which we caught some flak. It is a part of the message boards. Are you going to discuss or whine?

Are YOU going to discuss anything or pick one or two words out of every one of my posts and try to prove another not so funny point?

This is just for you since I'm not sure you comprehend anything I write. I will do my best to break it down Barney style for you.

Banks HAD a good first two games. Since, his production has gone down. That was the ENTIRE reason for this thread starting two weeks ago. Before you look up exact dates and try to say it was not exactly 14 days ago, I am speaking of 2 games when I say weeks, good enough?

I do not feel like anyone is out to get me, nor would I even care if they were. I can hold my own here.

Thanks for pointing out that everyone has taken flak on this board at one time or another, I was completely unaware of how these message board things work.

Now, if you read (not skim) the article you will see that even Banks himself feels disappointed by his performance. I have noted many times they need to get this figured out and you cannot seem to comprehend that.

The same point I brought up was made a published article with players chiming in. The only difference is, I pointed this out a week prior.

And no, Niles Paul is not the answer. Something however needs to get figured out because this could be a real problem down the stretch. Shall we discuss a solution?

On KR I say we bring the ball out and get aggressive. Not stupid but be more aggressive. On PR, I'm not sure. Obviously we don't want to take a chance when we will be getting the ball as it is, but maybe switch out the defenders covering the gunners. Maybe run more of a punt block formation and force teams to kick early, or place more guys on the line. Thats where I would start, put more heat on the punter and don't allow the time for high directional punts.

ATX_Skins wrote:

Now, if you read (not skim) the article you will see that even Banks himself feels disappointed by his performance.

Oops, I misread the article. I thought Banks has happy that he was returning kicks in the last two games as well as the first two. Thanks for pointing that out. Note you said Banks feels disappointed in his performance not disappointed in himself.

I have noted many times they need to get this figured out and you cannot seem to comprehend that.

The same point I brought up was made a published article with players chiming in. The only difference is, I pointed this out a week prior.

I said on a number of occasions, that your observations were valid minus the Banks bashing (which I the article didn't do - bash banks - it matter of factly pointed out what you were pointing out initially with the Banks bashing).

This is just for you since I'm not sure you comprehend anything I write. I will do my best to break it down Barney style for you.

Dang, you watch Barney? Of course you do, how else could you break it down Barney style.

Banks HAD a good first two games. Since, his production has gone down. That was the ENTIRE reason for this thread starting two weeks ago. Before you look up exact dates and try to say it was not exactly 14 days ago, I am speaking of 2 games when I say weeks, good enough?

If you would have posted this just like this in the first place and then responded to the valid posts that hit the threads, we could be singing Kum - Bay - ya, instead of that Barney tune.

I do not feel like anyone is out to get me, nor would I even care if they were. I can hold my own here.

I trust that you were still smiling when you wrote this post. Just checking. I am smiling.


All kidding aside what I quoted below is what I was after - a discussion about a possible solution.

And no, Niles Paul is not the answer. Something however needs to get figured out because this could be a real problem down the stretch. Shall we discuss a solution?

On KR I say we bring the ball out and get aggressive. Not stupid but be more aggressive. On PR, I'm not sure. Obviously we don't want to take a chance when we will be getting the ball as it is, but maybe switch out the defenders covering the gunners. Maybe run more of a punt block formation and force teams to kick early, or place more guys on the line. Thats where I would start, put more heat on the punter and don't allow the time for high directional punts.

I can't say that I honestly believe that Paul is a solution, because if it is poor execution and better execution on the Cowboys and Rams ST then surely Paul won't do much better. I mentioned him because he is bigger and perhaps could break some tackles and get more yardage against teams who are beating our ST teams. But he will never be the threat that Banks is so no he is not the solution.

Get aggressive is vague. I assume that you mean that some of the guys that are in there aren't the kick A type of guys and if that is what you mean, I can understand this - because I was asking myself during the last two games, why are the Rams and Cowboys beating our guys' blocks. But is it lack of aggression or a lack of emphasis in practice?

Replacing the gunners is a start. Perhaps Stallworth can be a gunner. I am sure that vet would love to get on the field any chance he gets and also knock some heads.

I wouldn't emphasize punt block. Having an asset like Banks, I would find my best return coverage men even if they played offense. Not being able to use starters limits how many personnel changes can be made, so the emphasis would have to be more practice time spent on special teams. Now - I do see how the reality of that is tough. We have a offense and defense in the second years of complicated schemes - an O line that needs all the practice they can get to gell as a ZBS solid O line. Practice time is limited. No more 3 hours George Allen practices. Being that our offense is sluggish, I think that emphasizing the return game more in practice will give the O better field position and help it in the long run.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Banks hatin aint my style atx. It isn't all on HIM. They are out planning us on special teams BECAUSE he IS a threat and his ONLY job is to return kicks- and he is exceptional at it. Best we have had in years hell maybe EVER. They plan for him and we are NOT counter PLaNING good enough.
BUT if they are spending the needed time to game plan BB hopefully they are overlooking or not planning enough in a different area.
Why do you insist on being right? U aren't doode. And ey IS PB material. Sorry. Facts. BB isn't pist that he all of a sudden sucks he's pist cus he isn't breaking tds changing games and getting love from sour pusses that Looooove to hate on the small guy for ANY reason they can find.
Re read veeeeeerrrrrrry slow if you don't get it
Ha ha its all good on a board this is what it comes down to but seriously- check mate. GET OVER IT.
Now let's join hands and hope our man crush for the 5'7" 155# Brandon Banks, breaks a couple BIG runs vs philthy and every other enemy we face

ATX_Skins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/4/snyder-banks-is-in-it-for-the-long-run/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS


Booyah in yo face nay sayers

Nobody is nay saying dude. This thread was started for the very same reason that column was published. It seems to me that I took a lot of heat for bringing this up yet the entire team noticed it too.

I would like Banks to stay back there and I hope they figure this out.

Ah back on topic, If you read the article, you will see the author gives Banks his props for what he accomplished in the first two games. he author also addresses the lack of production that you describe Banks performance. To me, anytime a team has to game plan a player, that is being productive.

Once again, you have the opportunty to discuss and you play off a valid respsonse and try to play the victim that everybody is out to get you. Everyone on this site has posted one time or another a thread in which we caught some flak. It is a part of the message boards. Are you going to discuss or whine?

Are YOU going to discuss anything or pick one or two words out of every one of my posts and try to prove another not so funny point?

This is just for you since I'm not sure you comprehend anything I write. I will do my best to break it down Barney style for you.

Banks HAD a good first two games. Since, his production has gone down. That was the ENTIRE reason for this thread starting two weeks ago. Before you look up exact dates and try to say it was not exactly 14 days ago, I am speaking of 2 games when I say weeks, good enough?

I do not feel like anyone is out to get me, nor would I even care if they were. I can hold my own here.

Thanks for pointing out that everyone has taken flak on this board at one time or another, I was completely unaware of how these message board things work.

Now, if you read (not skim) the article you will see that even Banks himself feels disappointed by his performance. I have noted many times they need to get this figured out and you cannot seem to comprehend that.

The same point I brought up was made a published article with players chiming in. The only difference is, I pointed this out a week prior.

And no, Niles Paul is not the answer. Something however needs to get figured out because this could be a real problem down the stretch. Shall we discuss a solution?

On KR I say we bring the ball out and get aggressive. Not stupid but be more aggressive. On PR, I'm not sure. Obviously we don't want to take a chance when we will be getting the ball as it is, but maybe switch out the defenders covering the gunners. Maybe run more of a punt block formation and force teams to kick early, or place more guys on the line. Thats where I would start, put more heat on the punter and don't allow the time for high directional punts.

ATX_Skins wrote:

Now, if you read (not skim) the article you will see that even Banks himself feels disappointed by his performance.

Oops, I misread the article. I thought Banks has happy that he was returning kicks in the last two games as well as the first two. Thanks for pointing that out. Note you said Banks feels disappointed in his performance not disappointed in himself.

I have noted many times they need to get this figured out and you cannot seem to comprehend that.

The same point I brought up was made a published article with players chiming in. The only difference is, I pointed this out a week prior.

I said on a number of occasions, that your observations were valid minus the Banks bashing (which I the article didn't do - bash banks - it matter of factly pointed out what you were pointing out initially with the Banks bashing).

This is just for you since I'm not sure you comprehend anything I write. I will do my best to break it down Barney style for you.

Dang, you watch Barney? Of course you do, how else could you break it down Barney style.

Banks HAD a good first two games. Since, his production has gone down. That was the ENTIRE reason for this thread starting two weeks ago. Before you look up exact dates and try to say it was not exactly 14 days ago, I am speaking of 2 games when I say weeks, good enough?

If you would have posted this just like this in the first place and then responded to the valid posts that hit the threads, we could be singing Kum - Bay - ya, instead of that Barney tune.

I do not feel like anyone is out to get me, nor would I even care if they were. I can hold my own here.

I trust that you were still smiling when you wrote this post. Just checking. I am smiling.


All kidding aside what I quoted below is what I was after - a discussion about a possible solution.

And no, Niles Paul is not the answer. Something however needs to get figured out because this could be a real problem down the stretch. Shall we discuss a solution?

On KR I say we bring the ball out and get aggressive. Not stupid but be more aggressive. On PR, I'm not sure. Obviously we don't want to take a chance when we will be getting the ball as it is, but maybe switch out the defenders covering the gunners. Maybe run more of a punt block formation and force teams to kick early, or place more guys on the line. Thats where I would start, put more heat on the punter and don't allow the time for high directional punts.

I can't say that I honestly believe that Paul is a solution, because if it is poor execution and better execution on the Cowboys and Rams ST then surely Paul won't do much better. I mentioned him because he is bigger and perhaps could break some tackles and get more yardage against teams who are beating our ST teams. But he will never be the threat that Banks is so no he is not the solution.

Get aggressive is vague. I assume that you mean that some of the guys that are in there aren't the kick A type of guys and if that is what you mean, I can understand this - because I was asking myself during the last two games, why are the Rams and Cowboys beating our guys' blocks. But is it lack of aggression or a lack of emphasis in practice?

Replacing the gunners is a start. Perhaps Stallworth can be a gunner. I am sure that vet would love to get on the field any chance he gets and also knock some heads.

I wouldn't emphasize punt block. Having an asset like Banks, I would find my best return coverage men even if they played offense. Not being able to use starters limits how many personnel changes can be made, so the emphasis would have to be more practice time spent on special teams. Now - I do see how the reality of that is tough. We have a offense and defense in the second years of complicated schemes - an O line that needs all the practice they can get to gell as a ZBS solid O line. Practice time is limited. No more 3 hours George Allen practices. Being that our offense is sluggish, I think that emphasizing the return game more in practice will give the O better field position and help it in the long run.

Sometimes I feel like your responses are homework I give you. Anyways, breaking something down Barney style is a term used in the Marine Corps for explaining something a 4 year old would understand (nobody said Marines were smart). I don't and wouldn't expect you to get that however I find it amusing.

By aggressive I mean running the ball out from the end zone regardless. Not every time but Banks has the potential, give it a go, especially if we will ever be sitting on a good lead.

The punt block idea didn't mean send the house. I was trying to say put more of an emphasis on rushing the punter and not giving him the time needed to place a well aimed punt. Will it work, who knows, that would be my knee jerk reaction in a game though. Maybe even give the look, then bring guys back into coverage. Either way, I think it could all start from the source, that being the punter or line, however you want to look at it.

Just responded to an e-mail and lost track of what I was talking about, till next time...

Irn-Bru wrote:Some good runs from Banks today. He's still got the ARE bug on punt returns, but I liked his point-and-shoot mentality on the kickoff returns.

ATX_Skins wrote:Ok, I'm resurrecting this thread because Banks is now officially a non contributor to this team.

The Hogster wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Ok, I'm resurrecting this thread because Banks is now officially a non contributor to this team.

Devin Hester once went 2 seasons without returning a kick for a Touchdown and he's widely regarded as the best in history. You people are barking up the wrong tree. Banks is not going to break a long kickoff every game. More than a handful of times per season is enough to lead the league. We're halfway through the season. Take a pill.

Another thing emotional fans often overlook is this. Who are you going to replace him with??? People are always so quick to call for someone to be benched as if we've got All Pros on the bench.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Ok, I'm resurrecting this thread because Banks is now officially a non contributor to this team.

Devin Hester once went 2 seasons without returning a kick for a Touchdown and he's widely regarded as the best in history. You people are barking up the wrong tree. Banks is not going to break a long kickoff every game. More than a handful of times per season is enough to lead the league. We're halfway through the season. Take a pill.

Another thing emotional fans often overlook is this. Who are you going to replace him with??? People are always so quick to call for someone to be benched as if we've got All Pros on the bench.

I was with you earlier in defending Banks and I'm not saying you need to flip to wanting to cut him. But you should acknowledge that he's seriously sucked. He hasn't just not returned a kick for a touchdown.

The Hogster wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Ok, I'm resurrecting this thread because Banks is now officially a non contributor to this team.

Devin Hester once went 2 seasons without returning a kick for a Touchdown and he's widely regarded as the best in history. You people are barking up the wrong tree. Banks is not going to break a long kickoff every game. More than a handful of times per season is enough to lead the league. We're halfway through the season. Take a pill.

Another thing emotional fans often overlook is this. Who are you going to replace him with??? People are always so quick to call for someone to be benched as if we've got All Pros on the bench.

Countertrey wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Ok, I'm resurrecting this thread because Banks is now officially a non contributor to this team.

Devin Hester once went 2 seasons without returning a kick for a Touchdown and he's widely regarded as the best in history. You people are barking up the wrong tree. Banks is not going to break a long kickoff every game. More than a handful of times per season is enough to lead the league. We're halfway through the season. Take a pill.

Another thing emotional fans often overlook is this. Who are you going to replace him with??? People are always so quick to call for someone to be benched as if we've got All Pros on the bench.

Hypothetically speaking, even if we concede that #1 in KO Return yardage isn't good enough (as if)... and 17th in Punt return yardage isn't good enough (...mmmm'K?)... would someone here tell me what player that would make a difference is he keeping off the team?

The Hogster wrote:Really?? Really???? Sucked???

He's only #1 in the NFL in KOR Yards with 618 with an average of 23 yards on 26 returns. He's 13th in PR Yards with 177.

It's halfway through the season for God's sake. One or 2 long returns for TD's will make his statistics even more impressive. We suck. Period. It's not Banks' fault. He'll get his. How about we get an offense that can score, then we won't be waiting on Banks to do it for us.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/playe ... eturnYards

Countertrey wrote:^ This scares me... When Hogster and I agree, karma gets really confused... bad things can happen to good people!

I apologize in advance to anyone who gets screwed by Karma over the next 12 hours...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Really?? Really???? Sucked???

He's only #1 in the NFL in KOR Yards with 618 with an average of 23 yards on 26 returns. He's 13th in PR Yards with 177.

It's halfway through the season for God's sake. One or 2 long returns for TD's will make his statistics even more impressive. We suck. Period. It's not Banks' fault. He'll get his. How about we get an offense that can score, then we won't be waiting on Banks to do it for us.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/playe ... eturnYards

He's #17 in Kickoff Average and #20 in punt average. A lot better stat then total yards. Still, it didn't seem that good, but I guess it's at least OK. Based on the Stats I'll concede you're right that sucking's not fair. It didn't seem that good in games, it seems like he's not going anywhere.

As for blaming him for the team sucking, I don't and didn't say I do. Though you didn't specifically name me on that one.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Banks was getting us into decent field position in the Bills game. Other than that I have yet to see a single KR where he netted anything past the 20 yard line. And that punt he caught behind our five yard line that he dropped was atrocious. He should have just let it fly for a touchback. Although I'm glad Niles Paul was given a shot at a return yesterday. At least they're trying different people.

The Hogster wrote:I sorted by Yards simply because the season is not over yet

Red_One43 wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Banks was getting us into decent field position in the Bills game. Other than that I have yet to see a single KR where he netted anything past the 20 yard line. And that punt he caught behind our five yard line that he dropped was atrocious. He should have just let it fly for a touchback. Although I'm glad Niles Paul was given a shot at a return yesterday. At least they're trying different people.

Not sure that Niles Paul was supposed to return that kick. On the next kick off, he was replaced by Westbrook who moved up and let Banks take the kick and then blocked or tried to block for him.

I was in that end zone and had a good view of Paul's return.

If you watch replays of the Paul return, he immediately headed toward the middleof the field. Undoubtedly a middle return, but he found the same thing that Banks found - nothing, so he bounced it outside. He didn't have the speed to turn the corner but he did break at least two tackles to get past the 20 for a return of 15 yards. It was a gutsy return by Paul running over those two 49ers, but his return showed that there was no blocking for him as well as Banks.

Update: Paul said that he hurt his toe on that return so that explains why he was replaced. Looks like he is out for two weeks.

Shanahan said Banks needs to use better judgment.

“We’re working extremely hard to make sure that happens – that he’s going to make sure he makes the right decisions,” the coach said Monday. “Any time you fumble a punt like he did and you make a bad decision just fielding the punt on the 3-yard line. I get [more] upset about those type of decisions than I do about the actual returns because those returns will eventually turn into a big play because he’s proven that he can do it. But you’ve got to make sure along the way you don’t force something or you’re fumbling the punt or you’re fielding the punt on the 3-yard line. Those mistakes can’t be tolerated.”

Banks entered Sunday’s game tied for eighth in the NFC, averaging 9.3 yards per punt return. He ranked ninth in the NFC on kick returns, averaging 23.9 yards per runback. Banks didn’t record any punt return yardage in the loss, and he averaged 23.3 yards per kick return.