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Skinsfan55 wrote:So here's the offensive breakdown as we start cutting down the roster.

Quarterback
#12 John Beck
#8 Rex Grossman
#11 Kellen Clemens

We should know enough about these guys now, Grossman was a former first round pick, Beck and Clemens former second rounders. All have started in the NFL before, but only Grossman has been a full season starter. Actually a lot of experience in this group, but not a lot of skill. IMO, pretty much the most we could hope for from these guys is someone to be a game manager. We just need someone to come in and not throw picks.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Running Back
#46 Ryan Torain
#34 Tim Hightower
#26 Roy Helu
#22 Evan Royster
#35 Keiland Williams

Shanahan has a great track record with running backs, but that's always seemed to be because of his dominant offensive lines. Still, we saw flashes from Torain who had multiple 100 yard gains. Tim Hightower is new, and he's show flashes of brilliance too. Both guys are made for this system. Hopefully they work out. Helu and Royster are rookies, hopefully they stick around for a while. It's a crowded backfield though, and Keiland Williams proved to be a useful goalline back in 2011.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Fullback
#45 Mike Sellers
#36 Darrel Young

Young has been getting more of the work, so it looks like the end of the line for Mike Sellers. I don't expect Sellers to break camp with the team.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Wide Receiever
#89 Santana Moss
#13 Anthony Armstrong
#10 Jabar Gaffney
#85 Leonard Hankerson
#14 Malcolm Kelly
#19 Donte' Stallworth
#16 Brandon Banks

This is a crowded position and there's a few more I didn't list. Moss, Armstrong and Gaffney all had more than 800 yds receiving last season. Hankerson and Kelly look great in camp and Banks is on the roster bubble since he's limited to returning kicks.

Looks like the WR corps may be a position of strength for Beck and Grossman. These guys all just go to work, no complaining, and with the possible exception of Stallworth character is a huge plus for everyone.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Tight End
#47 Chris ey
#83 Fred Davis

There's a couple camp bodies in there too, but these are the two guys to beat. ey and Davis are arguably the best TE combo in football. One position where we have strength for sure.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Offensive Line
#71 Trent Williams
#78 Kory Lichtensteiger
#63 Will Montgomery
#65 Chris Chester
#77 Jammal Brown
#75 Artis Hicks
Clint Oldenburg
Selvish Capers
Eric Cook
Xavier Fulton
Maurice Hurt
Willie Smith

The line is pretty thin, especially on the interior. Seems like with a shortened offseason and a weak FA market Shanahan went for continuity and familiarity with the scheme to try and get results. I don't know if it's gonna work. I like Williams and Brown a lot, but there's very little depth at all, to go with a weak interior. Maybe we'll see one or two of the interior line step up. As for who makes the team as a reserve, I don't see an obvious choice as a backup center but that could get sorted out. The rest will be hammered out in camp.[/b]

Skinsfan55 wrote:Looks like the WR corps may be a position of strength for Beck and Grossman. These guys all just go to work, no complaining, and with the possible exception of Stallworth character is a huge plus for everyone.

1niksder wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:So here's the offensive breakdown as we start cutting down the roster.

Quarterback
#12 John Beck
#8 Rex Grossman
#11 Kellen Clemens

We should know enough about these guys now, Grossman was a former first round pick, Beck and Clemens former second rounders. All have started in the NFL before, but only Grossman has been a full season starter. Actually a lot of experience in this group, but not a lot of skill. IMO, pretty much the most we could hope for from these guys is someone to be a game manager. We just need someone to come in and not throw picks.

Wouldn't be surprised if Shanahan only carries 2 QBs this year.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Running Back
#46 Ryan Torain
#34 Tim Hightower
#26 Roy Helu
#22 Evan Royster
#35 Keiland Williams

Shanahan has a great track record with running backs, but that's always seemed to be because of his dominant offensive lines. Still, we saw flashes from Torain who had multiple 100 yard gains. Tim Hightower is new, and he's show flashes of brilliance too. Both guys are made for this system. Hopefully they work out. Helu and Royster are rookies, hopefully they stick around for a while. It's a crowded backfield though, and Keiland Williams proved to be a useful goalline back in 2011.

Williams has been switched to FB

Skinsfan55 wrote:Fullback
#45 Mike Sellers
#36 Darrel Young

Young has been getting more of the work, so it looks like the end of the line for Mike Sellers. I don't expect Sellers to break camp with the team.

Sellers has been moved to TE

Skinsfan55 wrote:Wide Receiever
#89 Santana Moss
#13 Anthony Armstrong
#10 Jabar Gaffney
#85 Leonard Hankerson
#14 Malcolm Kelly
#19 Donte' Stallworth
#16 Brandon Banks

This is a crowded position and there's a few more I didn't list. Moss, Armstrong and Gaffney all had more than 800 yds receiving last season. Hankerson and Kelly look great in camp and Banks is on the roster bubble since he's limited to returning kicks.

Looks like the WR corps may be a position of strength for Beck and Grossman. These guys all just go to work, no complaining, and with the possible exception of Stallworth character is a huge plus for everyone.

I doubt they keep Stallworth and Gaffney nor do I think they'll go with seven WRs

Skinsfan55 wrote:Tight End
#47 Chris ey
#83 Fred Davis

There's a couple camp bodies in there too, but these are the two guys to beat. ey and Davis are arguably the best TE combo in football. One position where we have strength for sure.

Logan Paulson and Sellers will battle for the 3rd spot, They will carry three and Logan will be the third TE again this year. One of the two on your list might be traded

Skinsfan55 wrote:Offensive Line
#71 Trent Williams
#78 Kory Lichtensteiger
#63 Will Montgomery
#65 Chris Chester
#77 Jammal Brown
#75 Artis Hicks
Clint Oldenburg
Selvish Capers
Eric Cook
Xavier Fulton
Maurice Hurt
Willie Smith

The line is pretty thin, especially on the interior. Seems like with a shortened offseason and a weak FA market Shanahan went for continuity and familiarity with the scheme to try and get results. I don't know if it's gonna work. I like Williams and Brown a lot, but there's very little depth at all, to go with a weak interior. Maybe we'll see one or two of the interior line step up. As for who makes the team as a reserve, I don't see an obvious choice as a backup center but that could get sorted out. The rest will be hammered out in camp.[/b]

Pretty thin is right Capers has been lining up a guard so far in camp and Hurt has look pretty good but who knows how the line will shake out.

All in all you've put together a pretty good list other than the position changes.

Red_One43 wrote:Your use of the word "possible" concerning the exception of Stallworth's character is duly noted; however see the thread link below for the discussion about Stallworth's character.

Some may judge (and I know you are not) that what he did makes him a bad character for life, but as far as football is concerned, Donte does not fit the label of a questionable character or bad character guy.

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

Red_One43 wrote:I agee with 1nik, you put a pretty good list together. One area with my attention is TE. I love Sellers as a special teams guy. I believe that the coaches love Paulsen's work ethic. No way, you keep four. I agree with 1 nik that a tight end might get traded (I'm not ruling out Davis since he has the most value and we need picks to our QB next year) - TE goes down for another team and I think Davis is gone.

I also think that Banks will get traded if they can't incorporate him more into the offense.

Skinsfan55 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:Your use of the word "possible" concerning the exception of Stallworth's character is duly noted; however see the thread link below for the discussion about Stallworth's character.

Some may judge (and I know you are not) that what he did makes him a bad character for life, but as far as football is concerned, Donte does not fit the label of a questionable character or bad character guy.

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

Yeah, I can understand it was most likely a horrible accident, I just wanted to qualify the statement so someone didn't come in and go "ZOMG! HE KILLED SOMEONE!!!! WHARRRRGBL!!!"

1niksder wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:I agee with 1nik, you put a pretty good list together. One area with my attention is TE. I love Sellers as a special teams guy. I believe that the coaches love Paulsen's work ethic. No way, you keep four. I agree with 1 nik that a tight end might get traded (I'm not ruling out Davis since he has the most value and we need picks to our QB next year) - TE goes down for another team and I think Davis is gone.

I also think that Banks will get traded if they can't incorporate him more into the offense.

Oakland gambled, thinking they would be able to re-sign their TE and he left....

Bank sat out practice yesterday with a swollen knee (same knee he had surgery on last year) no sure what they can get for a WR that has a bad knee and doesn't play WR

Skinsfan55 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:Your use of the word "possible" concerning the exception of Stallworth's character is duly noted; however see the thread link below for the discussion about Stallworth's character.

Some may judge (and I know you are not) that what he did makes him a bad character for life, but as far as football is concerned, Donte does not fit the label of a questionable character or bad character guy.

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

Yeah, I can understand it was most likely a horrible accident, I just wanted to qualify the statement so someone didn't come in and go "ZOMG! HE KILLED SOMEONE!!!! WHARRRRGBL!!!"

HEROHAMO wrote:Heavy sigh....

Well we still need a solid QB. We have question marks on the offensive line. Trent Williams was great for a rookie last year. I expect him to be even better. Our offensive line was better then the year before. So I expect even more progress this year.

Running backs could also be a concern. We have a big unknown in Helu. His career at Nebraska was promising and he did produce. Torrain returns from a solid year but finished it injured. So at least we have some depth now.
We may have a two headed monster in Torrain and Helu. Hey theres some reason for optimism with the RBs.

WR also looks promising. Hankerson had a great career in College. He was also great in the Senior Bowl. We resigned Santana Moss and ey and Davis well are both very good. Armstrong was a solid contributor and we are still waiting to see what Kelly can do.

The biggest concern is obviously the QB. Just cross your fingers is all I can say. While Grossman can be productive at times. He always seems to throw the pick in the most critical situations. Beck... I havent a clue what John Beck can do. I have seen some highlight tapes of college but have also seen atrocious play while he was in Miami. Like I said just cross your fingers and hope the kid works his butt off.

crazyhorse1 wrote:Williams was ranked as one of the worse RT's in the league last year.

andyjens89 wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Williams was ranked as one of the worse RT's in the league last year.

Well that's alright, seeing as he played LEFT tackle