Brandon Banks Injured in Stabbing

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:45 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
UK Skins Fan wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/15/details-continue-to-come-out-regarding-banks-stabbing/

Oh Mr. Banks,

You know they were fighting over a chick. This just goes to prove girls dont like short dudes...

Seems like there's plenty more detail to emerge yet. Whatever the details, I'm amazed at the level of vitriol that seems to have been raised in this thread, by the mere suggestion that professional athletes would be better served by not being out in clubs at 3am.

Like Skinsjock, I'm not suggesting that Banks was WRONG to be out at that time, nor that he should be stamped on for it. It is the offseason, and he has every right to be out enjoying himself. But any athlete who finds themselves appearing in the news pages instead of the sports pages should expect to have their decision making questioned.

I also don't see the reason for all of the hating. Just because someone is acting within their rights doesn't mean what they are doing is smart. Like it or not, there are higher standards for the behavior of professional athletes. You have to choose your actions and (especially) your friends very carefully. It looks like Banks put a little too much trust in a hot-headed friend, even if they ended being the ones who were victimized.

That seems to be a recurring theme in these events... poor selection of posse members...

mastdark81 · Post by **mastdark81** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:37 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Wahoo McDaniels wrote:
MDSKINSFAN wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Clubbing after midnight = stupid.

Nothing good ever happens then... when are these young players going to get that???

Exactly. I'm glad he is OK but being in a club AT 4 AM, IN DC is not the smartest place to be if you are a young rich football player.

Why can't the Skins just stay out of the news in the offseason? Its never good news.

You all are idiots. I live right down the street from this club. This is a nice place. It's not like he was in Berry Farms at a house party at 4am. He was at a club at closing time at 3am (which is closing time). He's 24 years old. I can't tell you how many clubs I closed down when I was 24.

Exactly right. I work a few blocks away from Park and its right in downtown DC next to nice hotels, law firms, lobbying firms, etc. He wasn't in a dangerous part of town and was in one of the upscale clubs that is frequented by Caps, Redskins, and Wizards players. I've been to Park numerous times and it's not a bad place. It's absurd to expect 24 year old athletes not to act like normal people and go out.

The problem is many of the Redskins athletes are always going out and mingle too much with the general public. If you a veteran Redskin you know to stay and party out in VA not in DC. Not saying you can't get in trouble in VA but it is less likely for athletes. Yeah you work blocks away from the Park probably in the day time, looks can be deceiving (not too far from a world known notorious project). The NFL actually teach these young athletes how to move in about the city. These players love the FAME, however and are constantly hosting parties for the public, hollering at young college chicks, and buying out the bars. I'm not surprised this happened.

mastdark81 · Post by **mastdark81** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:50 pm

Let me state this also, and this is my problem with athletes in this area. EVERY TEAM...we have in this area are some LOSERS. Yet they stay in the club during the season. This is the offseason so I give Banks a pass cause he young, he going to go out but to me he just gotta choose a better way to have fun instead of mingling with people that ain't on his level financially on a consistent basis. As we seen the Park not a whole in the wall but you can get in that joint for just about the same price so essentially it is. The Park does not discriminate from someone catching a wound. I know some stories but I ain't even going to air nobody out on the internet.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:58 pm

Let me state this also, and this is my problem with athletes in this area. EVERY TEAM...we have in this area are some LOSERS. Yet they stay in the club during the season.

Ovi has been criticized for that. n the radio they were getting on him for being out this past Saturday night when the Caps has a 12:30 game on Sunday.

Mississippi Hog · Post by **Mississippi Hog** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:02 pm

[quote="ATX_Skins"][quote="Mississippi Hog"]Just sayin, but I am 29, and have never been to a club. Even in my early 20's the people I knew and hung out with were headed home by midnight or 1. at the latest. The only exception might be going to a Midnight movie on a Friday night. Other than that, I don't know many people that stayed out that late. The old saying proves true that nothing good happens out after 1am.[/quote]

Do you live in America?[/quote]

Yes. Born and raised here and lived here all my life. I just chose to hang with a crowd with high morals and Christian convictions.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:39 pm

Mississippi Hog wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:
Mississippi Hog wrote:Just sayin, but I am 29, and have never been to a club. Even in my early 20's the people I knew and hung out with were headed home by midnight or 1. at the latest. The only exception might be going to a Midnight movie on a Friday night. Other than that, I don't know many people that stayed out that late. The old saying proves true that nothing good happens out after 1am.

Do you live in America?

Yes. Born and raised here and lived here all my life. I just chose to hang with a crowd with high morals and Christian convictions.

I would have responded faster but I had to Google "morals". I'm just messing around man, good on you.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:37 am

Sean Taylor was murdered in his own home. You can't expect athletes to avoid social scenes altogether. And, even when they do, things can happen. It's called society, not dumb athlete syndrome.

I live in D.C. I am not under 30, and I'm not over 50. I have gone to Park many times. It is a very nice club. I'm a lawyer and not an athlete.

Brandon hardly was behaving in a way that would suggest that he's a dumb athlete. More like human.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:50 am

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... fe-attack/

After an early Saturday stabbing, both the Redskins and agent James Gould declared that Redskins receiver Brandon Banks is “fine.”

Redskins spokesman Tony Wyllie told PFT on Saturday that Banks received stitches, and that he was expected to be released from the hospital soon.

Said Gould in a Saturday statement, “Brandon was injured by the assailant with a surface knife wound on his side which will require stitches. He is recovering in a local hospital and is expected to be released within 24 hours.”

Four days later, Banks remains hospitalized. A four-day hospital stay in this day and age happens only when the patient’s condition is serious. Women who have delivered babies are sent home in less than half that time. (Men who have delivered babies usually are kept a tad bit longer.)

According to Mike Jones of the Washington Post, doctors inserted a tube into Banks’ chest to prevent his lung from collapsing.

When informed of the true state of Banks’ condition, Redskins spokesman Tony Wyllie told Jones, “You’ve got to be kidding me.”

So it looks like Gould was disseminating embellished information. And, apparently, Gould was disseminating embellished information because he was getting embellished information from Banks’ family.

“He has a knife wound and a tube in his chest,” Gould told Jones Tuesday. “And with that tube, he’s had repeated X-rays. I do know that today’s X-rays were good, so I’d expect him to be released very soon. There’s no sense in rushing. Taking all of the necessary precautions is very important because knife wounds are dangerous. He was knifed in the chest.”

So why did Gould call the “dangerous” situation a “surface knife wound” on Saturday? “I’m not there, so I don’t know how deep it was, how many inches it went in, but it was on the left side,” Gould said.

We can understand why Banks’ family would be reluctant to put the truth out there initially, but someone had to realize that the truth eventually would come out. Then again, telling the rest of the world about Brandon’s condition surely was the last priority in the aftermath of the stabbing.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:09 am

So this guy comes out wearing all white right? Banks' friend talks trash to the guy about it and the guy fires right back (like I would). Banks' friend then swings on the guy and the guy fights back (like I would). Banks enters into the fight too and a bouncer gets in between to seperate them right? So the guy who may or may not have gotten punched, pulls out a knife, reaches around the bouncer and proceeds to stab them? Dag, I just might have done the same thing considering I may have had some drinks in my system and these guys were trying to punk me. Sorry if you guys think I'm wrong but its easy to say what we wouldn't do not being in the same situation.. but I personally think I may have done the same thing.

As for the athletes not going out, this isn't the same situation as others. Banks and his friend were outside after being told they couldn't come in and they were just hanging around. His stupid *** should've left at that point, that's the bottom line. I hope he gets better for my team's sake but he got what he deserved IMO.

broomboy · Post by **broomboy** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:12 am

langleyparkjoe wrote:So this guy comes out wearing all white right? Banks' friend talks trash to the guy about it and the guy fires right back (like I would). Banks' friend then swings on the guy and the guy fights back (like I would). Banks enters into the fight too and a bouncer gets in between to seperate them right? So the guy who may or may not have gotten punched, pulls out a knife, reaches around the bouncer and proceeds to stab them? Dag, I just might have done the same thing considering I may have had some drinks in my system and these guys were trying to punk me. Sorry if you guys think I'm wrong but its easy to say what we wouldn't do not being in the same situation.. but I personally think I may have done the same thing.

As for the athletes not going out, this isn't the same situation as others. Banks and his friend were outside after being told they couldn't come in and they were just hanging around. His stupid *** should've left at that point, that's the bottom line. I hope he gets better for my team's sake but he got what he deserved IMO.

1. thats a pretty thug/barbaric mentality
2. where are you getting all this other info (the white thing)

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:14 am

broomboy wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:So this guy comes out wearing all white right? Banks' friend talks trash to the guy about it and the guy fires right back (like I would). Banks' friend then swings on the guy and the guy fights back (like I would). Banks enters into the fight too and a bouncer gets in between to seperate them right? So the guy who may or may not have gotten punched, pulls out a knife, reaches around the bouncer and proceeds to stab them? Dag, I just might have done the same thing considering I may have had some drinks in my system and these guys were trying to punk me. Sorry if you guys think I'm wrong but its easy to say what we wouldn't do not being in the same situation.. but I personally think I may have done the same thing.

As for the athletes not going out, this isn't the same situation as others. Banks and his friend were outside after being told they couldn't come in and they were just hanging around. His stupid *** should've left at that point, that's the bottom line. I hope he gets better for my team's sake but he got what he deserved IMO.

1. thats a pretty thug/barbaric mentality
2. where are you getting all this other info (the white thing)

1. Say what you want or call it whatever you want to call it.. 2 guys trying to jump you is a situation I've been in.. it sucks and your extremely angry and payback is the ONLY thing on your mind.. that or get the hell away, I'd choose to fight back unless they had a gun.

2. I got that information on NBC news.. I think it was Monday night or Sunday night.

broomboy · Post by **broomboy** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:20 am

langleyparkjoe wrote:
broomboy wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:So this guy comes out wearing all white right? Banks' friend talks trash to the guy about it and the guy fires right back (like I would). Banks' friend then swings on the guy and the guy fights back (like I would). Banks enters into the fight too and a bouncer gets in between to seperate them right? So the guy who may or may not have gotten punched, pulls out a knife, reaches around the bouncer and proceeds to stab them? Dag, I just might have done the same thing considering I may have had some drinks in my system and these guys were trying to punk me. Sorry if you guys think I'm wrong but its easy to say what we wouldn't do not being in the same situation.. but I personally think I may have done the same thing.

As for the athletes not going out, this isn't the same situation as others. Banks and his friend were outside after being told they couldn't come in and they were just hanging around. His stupid *** should've left at that point, that's the bottom line. I hope he gets better for my team's sake but he got what he deserved IMO.

1. thats a pretty thug/barbaric mentality
2. where are you getting all this other info (the white thing)

1. Say what you want or call it whatever you want to call it.. 2 guys trying to jump you is a situation I've been in.. it sucks and your extremely angry and payback is the ONLY thing on your mind.. that or get the hell away, I'd choose to fight back unless they had a gun.

2. I got that information on NBC news.. I think it was Monday night or Sunday night.

So you condone stabbing someone after a fight is being broken up around the bouncer. Every report i've read banks is helping the bouncer break the fight up...

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:23 am

I knew it was over a girl...

Nobody can resist White Goodman in his shiny white shoes!

Seriously though LPJ, if that info is correct I don't blame "Mr. White" for his actions.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:25 am

To answer your question, yes I would.. and I mean it 100%. Initially it was Banks AND his friend who started it... and if I had a permit to carry, I'd shoot them.

NRA for life

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:26 am

ATX_Skins wrote:I knew it was over a girl...

Nobody can resist White Goodman in his shiny white shoes!

Seriously though LPJ, if that info is correct I don't blame "Mr. White" for his actions.

Right ATX.. now of course this is all assuming Doreen and Vance were correct with the information.

broomboy · Post by **broomboy** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:36 am

langleyparkjoe wrote:To answer your question, yes I would.. and I mean it 100%. Initially it was Banks AND his friend who started it... and if I had a permit to carry, I'd shoot them.

NRA for life

Thank god I live in Canada y'all are wack down there.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:41 am

broomboy wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:To answer your question, yes I would.. and I mean it 100%. Initially it was Banks AND his friend who started it... and if I had a permit to carry, I'd shoot them.

NRA for life

Thank god I live in Canada y'all are wack down there.

Canada's awesome.. got into my first strip club in Toronto when I was 14. Wish I had known I didn't have to tip $10 but hey, it was worth it at that age.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:47 am

I didn't know Canada had internet already.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:00 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:I knew it was over a girl...

Nobody can resist White Goodman in his shiny white shoes!

Seriously though LPJ, if that info is correct I don't blame "Mr. White" for his actions.

Right ATX.. now of course this is all assuming Doreen and Vance were correct with the information.

Unfortunately Doreen and Vance rarely have correct information haha.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:05 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:To answer your question, yes I would.. and I mean it 100%. Initially it was Banks AND his friend who started it... and if I had a permit to carry, I'd shoot them.

NRA for life

Well, then you'd be in jail right now. The guy that stabbed Banks and his buddy is most likely going to prison.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:25 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:To answer your question, yes I would.. and I mean it 100%. Initially it was Banks AND his friend who started it... and if I had a permit to carry, I'd shoot them.

NRA for life

Well, then you'd be in jail right now. The guy that stabbed Banks and his buddy is most likely going to prison.

Actually, if they determine Banks and his buddy were drunk, antagonized the fight, attacked first and were involved in mob assault, Banks and his buddy are looking at time.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:26 pm

Also keep in mind if they were previously kicked out and loitering. That could also come into play.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:29 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:I knew it was over a girl...

Nobody can resist White Goodman in his shiny white shoes!

Seriously though LPJ, if that info is correct I don't blame "Mr. White" for his actions.

Right ATX.. now of course this is all assuming Doreen and Vance were correct with the information.

Unfortunately Doreen and Vance rarely have correct information haha.

I'm just happy someone knew who the heck I was talking about :lol:

broomboy · Post by **broomboy** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:58 pm

ATX_Skins wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:To answer your question, yes I would.. and I mean it 100%. Initially it was Banks AND his friend who started it... and if I had a permit to carry, I'd shoot them.

NRA for life

Well, then you'd be in jail right now. The guy that stabbed Banks and his buddy is most likely going to prison.

Actually, if they determine Banks and his buddy were drunk, antagonized the fight, attacked first and were involved in mob assault, Banks and his buddy are looking at time.

I thought to use self-defense the amount of necessary force used must be proportionate in relation to the gravity of the harm threatened.

So shooting someone cause he punched you would not be proportionate in the case of LPJ.

The fact that he stabbed him after the fight was being broken up would negate the defense as well

TeeterSalad · Post by **TeeterSalad** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:05 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:
broomboy wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:So this guy comes out wearing all white right? Banks' friend talks trash to the guy about it and the guy fires right back (like I would). Banks' friend then swings on the guy and the guy fights back (like I would). Banks enters into the fight too and a bouncer gets in between to seperate them right? So the guy who may or may not have gotten punched, pulls out a knife, reaches around the bouncer and proceeds to stab them? Dag, I just might have done the same thing considering I may have had some drinks in my system and these guys were trying to punk me. Sorry if you guys think I'm wrong but its easy to say what we wouldn't do not being in the same situation.. but I personally think I may have done the same thing.

As for the athletes not going out, this isn't the same situation as others. Banks and his friend were outside after being told they couldn't come in and they were just hanging around. His stupid *** should've left at that point, that's the bottom line. I hope he gets better for my team's sake but he got what he deserved IMO.

1. thats a pretty thug/barbaric mentality
2. where are you getting all this other info (the white thing)

1. Say what you want or call it whatever you want to call it.. 2 guys trying to jump you is a situation I've been in.. it sucks and your extremely angry and payback is the ONLY thing on your mind.. that or get the hell away, I'd choose to fight back unless they had a gun.

2. I got that information on NBC news.. I think it was Monday night or Sunday night.

LPJ can you share the link if you can find it? I did not hear all of that before, that would've definitely changed my previous point of view.

By the way, whatever happened to bar fights ending with some regular old fisticuffs?

You used to be able to settle your arguments outside by either
A. Whooping somebodies a$$
or
B. Getting your a$$ whooped.

Now people pull out knives and guns over a common spat; it's ridiculous.