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Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:12 pm**

LoL kaz

I think we don't need to look for a QB, we need to build the line first, then look for a QB. Even if Cam is behind there he won't get us any wins if he has to run for his life at the snap.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:17 pm**

SKINFAN wrote:I think we don't need to look for a QB, we need to build the line first, then look for a QB. Even if Cam is behind there he won't get us any wins if he has to run for his life at the snap.

That's why I'd have him sit for a year behind Grossman. Here's the timeline as I see it....

2011, Round 1: Draft Newton
2011, Round 2: Draft DL or OL
2011, Remainder of Draft: OL/DL

2012 NFL Draft (after lockout): OL/CB/LB
2012 Free Agency: DL/OL/WR

Play the 2012 season with Grossman at QB and Newton on the bench. Then in 2013 put him in behind the revamped OL with some decent receivers to throw to.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:55 pm**

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
UK Skins Fan wrote:One way or another, McNabb has been a mistake. Either he was over the hill when they signed him, in which case that that was a chronic failure in player evaluation. Or he just wasn't suited to the scheme, in which case THAT was a chronic failure of player evaluation, plus an overblown assessment by the coaching staff of their own ability to bend McNabb to their system. Or it was the inability of that same coaching staff to adjust their scheme to McNabb's strengths, which everybody knows already, and certainly should have known when they signed him.

So, the Redskins have screwed up on McNabb, big time.

But it would be a bigger mistake to not acknowledge that error, and to keep banging away at the same brick wall that they've banging away at for the last 13 weeks. By benching McNabb, the Shanahans have openly admitted their error, although I very much doubt that is how they would describe the latest sorry goings on at Redskins HQ.

I doubt that Rex Grossman is about to prove that he will be any more successful in running this offence. But he might just prove to the coaching staff that having a better knowledge of this offence still won't guarantee success, not without a sturdy offensive line, reliable running game, and a couple of wide receivers capable of catching 80+ catches in a season.

What all the above waffle reinforces is this fact: yes, the search for the next Redskins QB really is under way. I now have every expectation that our first round pick next year will be used on a QB. Let's hope they find somebody worthy of that pick, and more suited to their own grand design.

I don't agree. I still think McNabb is a great QB and showed it this year, I stand by it. The only advantage he had over JC was a marginally improved line and a part time RB in Torain. We did not add anyone to throw to and Davis has been a huge disappointment after he showed promise last year and he had no where near the D JC had, yet we've won 5 and been in most of our games this year against a killer schedule. It was phenomenal. You can only gauge him on what he had to work with.

I'll risk the wrath of Ray that I'm "fence sitting" by agreeing that if we don't keep him we wasted the picks we traded for him. Which seems to me to be stubbornness not to admit rather then vice versa. But I won't agree with that move, it won't have been McNabb's fault and I seriously doubt we'll get anyone nearly as good next year. If our scheme's not right for him, Shannahan (both of them) need to do a Gibbs and adjust their scheme for the players they have rather then the other way around.

Funny, you said you didn't agree, but I didn't see anything in your post that contradicted what I said! The only difference between us seems to be that you are confident that McNabb remains an outstanding qb, which is something I'm not convinced about.

But I wasn't arguing about the merits of McNabb himself. My main contention was that, regardless of McNabb's own abilities, the Shanahans have screwed this up - it's just a question of whether you think they screwed it up by signing him in the first place, or by their coaching, or by their gameplanning.

Sorry Kaz, I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree over the matter of whether we agree or disagree :wink:

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:36 pm**

Newton will not be there when we pick.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:49 pm**

gregory smith wrote:Newton will not be there when we pick.

So you're of the belief that Cam Newton will be off the board by #8 (where it looks like we'll be picking)? Can I assume then that you have both Luck and Newton going in the Top 7 selections? Any other QB's going up there as well, in your mind?

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:50 pm**

The FO (Allen & Shanahan) are not taking C Newton

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:52 pm**

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
gregory smith wrote:Newton will not be there when we pick.

So you're of the belief that Cam Newton will be off the board by #8 (where it looks like we'll be picking)? Can I assume then that you have both Luck and Newton going in the Top 7 selections? Any other QB's going up there as well, in your mind?

Some draft experts are of the belief that SanFrancisco will draft Cam Newton.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:53 pm**

Sorry if I hurt your feelings. I should have said I don't think he will be there when we pick.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:05 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:The FO (Allen & Shanahan) are not taking C Newton

Ok. So what do you think they will do with the #8 pick in the draft? Waste it on another Offensive Tackle or on some D-Lineman who is not a natural fit in the 3-4? Or will they go out and use the pick for some flashy WR, CB, or RB that isn't going to be any help to the team? The only other option would be to select one of what I consider the "lesser" QB's in the draft with a huge reach pick (Locker or Mallet, for example).

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:07 pm**

I don't think Mallet is leaving Arkansas.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:07 pm**

TCIYM wrote:Some draft experts are of the belief that SanFrancisco will draft Cam Newton.

My head might just explode if SF took Newton at #7 and we end up taking a lesser QB (Locker or Mallet for example) at #8 or wasting the pick on an OT, DL, CB, WR, RB, or LB there. If we can't get Newton or Luck (no chance), we need to trade down out of the first round so I don't even have to pay any attention to the draft this year.

BTW - You didn't hurt my feelings at all. We all have our own opinions and viewpoints.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:12 pm**

I would not be surprised if Mike takes a QB, I just don't think he wants Cam Newton

I think this position is going to cause a lot of heated responses here in the next 6 months both because of the McNabb situation and the real possibility that we might bring in another QB already playing in the NFL

HOWEVER - I don't see Newton in B&G with this FO

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:20 pm**

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
TCIYM wrote:Some draft experts are of the belief that SanFrancisco will draft Cam Newton.

My head might just explode if SF took Newton at #7 and we end up taking a lesser QB (Locker or Mallet for example)

Please post video, in that event. Thanks.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:24 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:I would not be surprised if Mike takes a QB, I just don't think he wants Cam Newton

I think this position is going to cause a lot of heated responses here in the next 6 months both because of the McNabb situation and the real possibility that we might bring in another QB already playing in the NFL

HOWEVER - I don't see Newton in B&G with this FO

That's fine. I'm pretty sure there isn't a QB other than Newton or Luck (who we have no chance at) that I'd want to see in B&G from the first round of the draft next year. What the heck though, for the last decade or so I've gotten very used to Redskins teams with players I can't root for on them, especially QB's, so why would this be any different?

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:27 pm**

Countertrey wrote:Please post video, in that event. Thanks.

I've heard of ghostly phone calls from beyond the grave but never internet postings. Not sure how that would work.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:52 pm**

UK Skins Fan wrote:Sorry Kaz, I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree over the matter of whether we agree or disagree

So you're saying we disagree to agree?

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:53 pm**

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Please post video, in that event. Thanks.

I've heard of ghostly phone calls from beyond the grave but never internet postings. Not sure how that would work.

Webcam?

You're obviously not Pods since you say you're not and no one ever lies on the Internet. But he did threaten to leave an not come back on a regular basis.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:05 pm**

TCIYM wrote:
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
gregory smith wrote:Newton will not be there when we pick.

So you're of the belief that Cam Newton will be off the board by #8 (where it looks like we'll be picking)? Can I assume then that you have both Luck and Newton going in the Top 7 selections? Any other QB's going up there as well, in your mind?

Some draft experts are of the belief that SanFrancisco will draft Cam Newton.

I hope that is correct. I believe that Cam doesn't have the accuracy necessary to be succesful. He also only put the ball in the air 246 times in 13 games -- that is less than 19 attempts per game. He runs the ball as much as he throws it. This is just not a good recipe for NFL success -- regardless of how great an athlete you are.

You can analgize him to a Vick or Young or Tebow, but he doesn't have the accuracy of any of these guys. He is probably the closest to Young in terms of the total package, but Young has basically been an NFL flop.

I am sure that someone will take him in the first round, just like they did with Tebow -- for different reasons obviously -- but I just hope it isn't us.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:19 pm**

I dont know who I want to be honest. Cam Newton has all the tools, but will it translate to the nfl?

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:46 pm**

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
UK Skins Fan wrote:Sorry Kaz, I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree over the matter of whether we agree or disagree

So you're saying we disagree to agree?

Hmmmmm......I'm not sure that I agree with that.

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:01 pm**

Ryan Mallet or Locker. Luck will be gone. And, although I believe Cam Newton is a great player, I think it would be a reach to draft him in the Top 10. (Assuming we are (i) drafting in the Top 10 and (ii) don't trade the pick and (iii) pick a QB)

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:53 pm**

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I would not be surprised if Mike takes a QB, I just don't think he wants Cam Newton

I think this position is going to cause a lot of heated responses here in the next 6 months both because of the McNabb situation and the real possibility that we might bring in another QB already playing in the NFL

HOWEVER - I don't see Newton in B&G with this FO

That's fine. I'm pretty sure there isn't a QB other than Newton or Luck (who we have no chance at) that I'd want to see in B&G from the first round of the draft next year. What the heck though, for the last decade or so I've gotten very used to Redskins teams with players I can't root for on them, especially QB's, so why would this be any different?

Do you watch college football? How could you not want a guy like Mallett?

Posted: **Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:59 pm**

CanesSkins26 wrote:Do you watch college football? How could you not want a guy like Mallett?

There seems to be a split opinion on Mallett. He could be a Ben Roethlisberger type QB (hopefully without the sexual misconduct issues) or the next Jamarcus Russell, if we believe the "experts" ...

From WalterFootball:

# Strengths: Good bulk and great height to scan the field
# Outstanding arm strength
# Very high talent level and upside
# Adept at reading coverages
# Nice mental clock in pocket
# Quick release
# Makes some jaw-dropping throws
# Sells play action

# Weaknesses:
# Poor technician
# Footwork needs a lot of polish
# Lacks some balance as a passer
# Not very athletic or mobile
# Not a very accurate passer
# Shows some inconsistency
# Doesn't throw an impressive spiral
# Ball tends to sail high
# Poor NFL QB pedigree (Bobby Petrino)
# Needs a lot of space and minimal pass rush in pocket to operate
# Back foot comes up too much on follow through, which hurts accuracy and balance
# Character concerns

Posted: **Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:07 am**

CanesSkins26 wrote:Do you watch college football? How could you not want a guy like Mallett?

No I don't. I'm in New England.... we really don't have serious college football up in this part of the country.

From what I've read he has some technical issues and there are questions about the concussion and ankle injuries. Injured players are something I have less than no interest in dealing with in the draft. Period. Full Stop.

Posted: **Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:08 am**

Jake Locker all the way! He would have been the #1 overall pick last season if he declared.

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