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SkinsJock wrote:The graphic came up - 3 yards rushing - END OF STORY

Three yards, but two touchdowns, END OF STORY!!!!!

Hmm...I may need to refine that argument a bit.

SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:We lost the game but going in, I didn't expect to win either. But that's my honest opinion.

I was sure we were going to win big today. I knew the offense was going to get it going, and they didn't dissapoint. We were just snakebit today, and not destined to win that one.. Man that hurts.

I missed the first half, then I saw the score and thought we had a shot at winning the game.

The graphic came up - 3 yards rushing - END OF STORY


no team wins with 3 yards rushing and a half to play


funny (or really stupid) to see some posts here about missing assignments on special teams and the refs making bad calls

ARE YOU KIDDING ME - we lost because we have an offensive line that could only get 3 yards rushing in a half


we are greatly improved from last year but we need an offensive line and we are trying to get there but it takes time

we are 1-1 and I'm sure we'll be tied for the lead - this is a good thing


we are not finding a way to win ANY games if we cannot run the football - END OF STORY

the running game is certainly an issue; however, the biggest issue coming out of this game certainly has to be the defense. we did score 27 points. that should be enough to win, no matter who we are playing.

Guys, when you are up 27 - 10 and you cannot run the ball, you will lose the game

anyone thinking the defense was at all responsible is showing a complete lack of knowledge - please do not show how stupid you are

the offense has to be able to run the ball - END OF STORY


no big deal - we are still 1-1 and in first place in the NFC EAST

patjam77 wrote:I'm a painful pessamist but even I can see that things will turn around

Yes, realistically we've had a very solid start against two good teams, there's nothing in perspective to hang our heads about. But as an optimist, losing when we lead by 17 in the second half just sucked and I'm not ready to look at it that way yet, so let's come back to this tomorrow...

SkinsJock wrote:Guys, when you are up 27 - 10 and you cannot run the ball, you will lose the game

anyone thinking the defense was at all responsible is showing a complete lack of knowledge - please do not show how stupid you are

the offense has to be able to run the ball - END OF STORY


no big deal - we are still 1-1 and in first place in the NFC EAST

Can you stop being so right? It's annoying...

I'm too wiped out to try and look forward to next week. I just about got myself kicked out of the bar, drinking nothing stronger than a Sprite. This was a loss like none other that springs to mind right now. I found myself wishing I'd brought a copy of the roster with me to the bar I watched the game in, but the bigger problem was I didn't recognize the team. Last time I checked, we were weak on offense and strong on the other side. Today, things were flipped. I was having visions of the game in '96 where Boomer Esiason threw for over 500 yards against us. Where was the secondary? It looked like everybody was playing 5 yards off their man. How do you sack a quarterback 5 times and still give up that many yards? What happened to the running game? I never thought the day would come where I was looking for Betts. I watched Larry Johnson pull his best imitation of ARE, doing a little 180 and getting swamped where he stood. Right before the half, I remember thinking, "Boy, it's nice not to have to worry about the kicker for the first time since Mosely bailed." Couldn't have been more wrong. One thing is for sure...McNugget looked good. When's the last time we had that kind of production downfield?
Wow. I mean, Wow. What a crappy way to lose a game. I can't even think right now.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Finally, the play of the game was the 3rd and 15 call at the end of the 3rd Qtr. We bring the house including a CB and a safety completely exposing ourselves for the screen...which the Texans run and capitalize on to the 5 yds line (a 50 something yd gain). Why not play safe, keep everything in front of you give up the 7-10 yd pass and make them punt. This play made them think they had a chance. If we make them punt, they don't get the ball back until until 13 still down 17. Instead, they get the ball down 10 with 10 minutes left.

Somebody tell Haslett that he's not coaching in the UFL against Jim Fassel anymore. He needs to use his head.

The problem is that when he didn't bring the house Schaub was picking us apart and when he did Schaub burned us. He's a heck of a quarterback, very impressive performance. And when we hammered him it didn't even slow him down. We left too many guys open, but when we didn't he still burned us, it was very frustrating. But bringing the house wasn't Haslett's mistake because not bringing the house sure wasn't working.

Kazoo, it would have been nice to see better adjustment though. It was clear as day the boot-leg was killing them all night but nothing was done about it. Hopefully it's just a matter of getting the players to memorize the scheme more but they should have never blown a 17 point lead and adjustments should have been made. Being up by 17 is huge in the NFL and most of the time the only way a team comes back from that kind of deficit is to make big plays. That's exactly what they Texans did. It would have been nice if Haslett had seen the way the game had gone and was going and made the Texans spend more time trying to score. The defensive players just ran out of gas.

anyone thinking the defense was at all responsible is showing a complete lack of knowledge - please do not show how stupid you are

you're right, the defense gave up 526 yards but they weren't the main problem out there today

the Texans only had 58 yards rushing, so they were able to win without much of a running game.

sorry Canes - the issue is that when Williams went out Heyer came in and was immediately called for holding - the defense did NOT lose this game - we have to find a way to keep the ball and run the clock

I think that is called having a run game - we do not

SkinsJock wrote:sorry Canes - the issue is that when Williams went out Heyer came in and was immediately called for holding - the defense did NOT lose this game - we have to find a way to keep the ball and run the clock

I think that is called having a run game - we do not

are you out of your mind? we gave up 526 yards but the defense did not lose this game? wow that is honestly one of the most clueless posts i have ever seen on this message board.

SkinsJock wrote:Guys, when you are up 27 - 10 and you cannot run the ball, you will lose the game

anyone thinking the defense was at all responsible is showing a complete lack of knowledge - please do not show how stupid you are

the offense has to be able to run the ball - END OF STORY


no big deal - we are still 1-1 and in first place in the NFC EAST :lol:

I agree. Running the ball gives not only the offensive line a break from pass blocking which has been said that it tires out the line, gives your defense a break to recover and lastly, takes time off the clock.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Guys, when you are up 27 - 10 and you cannot run the ball, you will lose the game

anyone thinking the defense was at all responsible is showing a complete lack of knowledge - please do not show how stupid you are

the offense has to be able to run the ball - END OF STORY


no big deal - we are still 1-1 and in first place in the NFC EAST

Can you stop being so right? It's annoying...

i completely disagree with this. if you can keep moving the ball and scoring it doesn't matter how you do it. we did continue to move the ball. the lack of running game did not factor into that. it WAS because of the series of mistakes people have been discussing here.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

patjam77 wrote:I'm a painful pessamist but even I can see that things will turn around

Yes, realistically we've had a very solid start against two good teams, there's nothing in perspective to hang our heads about. But as an optimist, losing when we lead by 17 in the second half just sucked and I'm not ready to look at it that way yet, so let's come back to this tomorrow...

Trust me I'm bummed. I even have to work overnight so I can;t just take an ambien and sleep away this loss!! haha

What's really frustrating is that the people on the message board are saying one part of the game is to blame...no it's the other. Guess what - all of it's tied together. Every part of the game today cost us the win. There was opportunities to snatch the win. Just a few:

Offense: Run the ball effectively in the 4th Qtr like you did vs Dallas - game over.

Defense: Play your assignment effectively and we win (several of Roger's lack of coverage plays and Reed being 1 on 1 vs Andre Johnson)

Special Teams: Block your guy and you're fine. Don't block him - cost you the game. (as for the missed long FG - that's a hard kick to make twice but that's coming from experience)

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Finally, the play of the game was the 3rd and 15 call at the end of the 3rd Qtr. We bring the house including a CB and a safety completely exposing ourselves for the screen...which the Texans run and capitalize on to the 5 yds line (a 50 something yd gain). Why not play safe, keep everything in front of you give up the 7-10 yd pass and make them punt. This play made them think they had a chance. If we make them punt, they don't get the ball back until until 13 still down 17. Instead, they get the ball down 10 with 10 minutes left.

Somebody tell Haslett that he's not coaching in the UFL against Jim Fassel anymore. He needs to use his head.

Well, it's easy after you know .... the fact is, it's a chess match. .. you call a defense, and hope that it's the right one. They made a ton of great defensive calls and plays ... and they got burnt too.

However, this game could have been iced several times, but didn't happen. A penalty here ... a slight over throw there ... this game hinged on a couple of plays on both sides.

The big concern should be Trent Williams, and what needs to happen to keep opposing defenses out of the backfield on running plays. That is the most consistent and troubling aspect of this team right now.

CanesSkins26 wrote:
The bad...

McNabb in the 4th...He had Galloway WIDE OPEN for a sure TD but missed him. That, imo, was the turning point.

haven't read through all the posts, but if you are talking about the pass that slipped through Galloway's hands, which was, as the announcers pointed out, almost a 70-YARD THROW, I DO NOT fault McNabb, that was as accurate as any other QB would be in the league...

Keep complaining about plays like this, and people are going to think JC was better... by the way, where are all those JC lovers and praisers who believed he was the franchise QB of the future... how is that working in Oakland??? I believed he got yanked today...

Offense: Run the ball effectively in the 4th Qtr like you did vs Dallas - game over.

I disagree completely. In the 4th quarter the Texans only had the ball for 5:37 while we had the ball for almost 10 minutes.

Our D just couldn't stop them when they had to.

JCaptMorgan12 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:
The bad...

McNabb in the 4th...He had Galloway WIDE OPEN for a sure TD but missed him. That, imo, was the turning point.

haven't read through all the posts, but if you are talking about the pass that slipped through Galloway's hands, which was, as the announcers pointed out, almost a 70-YARD THROW, I DO NOT fault McNabb, that was as accurate as any other QB would be in the league...

Keep complaining about plays like this, and people are going to think JC was better... by the way, where are all those JC lovers and praisers who believed he was the franchise QB of the future... how is that working in Oakland??? I believed he got yanked today...

all the replays clearly showed that the ball was just outside of galloway's reach. this game is not on mcnabb though, he played lights out. i only listed that because when we missed that play i got the "here we go again" feeling.

Can anybody tell me how Danny Smith still has a job? You can't get a field goal blocked when you have a chance to the clinch the game. You got guys out there not even trying to block the outside guy. THAT was the turning point. That's when I knew they were going to lose. Also, pass rush was horrible and they are being burnt for only carrying one free safety on the roster.

The following is just my opinion; obviously it's not a majority view, but I'm surprised I don't see more people taking it:

You can't cover over a loss. Plenty of things to blame for this one. But it was a game of extremes; it was a shootout; it was a very close game against two clearly skilled teams. Despite whatever stats get thrown around here, it was really well played by both sides. (Shootouts always make both teams look weak in a way that they really aren't.) This was a great game of football.

Frankly, this loss doesn't bother me that much. (I mean relatively speaking, of course. When can anyone ever say that a loss wasn't a bad one?) I really think the Skins played hard and played a tough game. All things considered, they did a good job. We look like a different football franchise than the Redskins of 2-3 years ago.

We should have won it. We choked. The holes in this team left by Vinny and Danny are glaring. But I'm still amazed that Shanahan and Allen were able to account for as many weaknesses as they did. There were some very bright spots in this game.

And, in the final analysis, we looked pretty good, in my opinion. And I was proud of the effort our guys gave it on the field.

what needs to happen to keep opposing defenses out of the backfield on running plays.

replace rabach and hicks with better players, get brown to actually start playing some good football, and find a TE that can block.

Here's a drive chart of the 4th Qtr:

START QTR POSS. YARD PLAYS YARDS RESULT
15:00 4 01:45 WAS 20 3............... -9.......... Punt
11:10 4 04:34 WAS 37 8 53 Blocked FG
05:06 4 01:35 WAS 49 3 -3 Punt
02:03 4 01:14 WAS 31 3 -12 Punt

Here's what they did:

13:15 4 02:05 HOU 34 5 40 Field Goal
06:36 4 01:30 HOU 16 3 -3 Punt
03:16 4 01:13 HOU 19 8 81 Touchdown
00:49 4 00:49 HOU 28 4 -19 Downs

We should have won it. We choked. The holes in this team left by Vinny and Danny are glaring. But I'm still amazed that Shanahan and Allen were able to account for as many weaknesses as they did. There were some very bright spots in this game.

I agree with this to a point. They have been able to account for a number of weaknesses; however, they have also created a bunch more holes and weaknesses with their decision to move to a 3-4. We just don't have the personnel for it and that has been glaring. Even Fletcher, arguably our best defensive player last year doesn't look comfortable in it. Out dline is awful right now and a guy like Carter, who was awesome last year, looks lost out there in this new system. We have promising young players like Jarmon not even active because they don't fit into this scheme, or not making an impact (i.e. Chris Wilson), and we have the Haynesworth saga to deal with as a result also. Kemo has been a huge bust so far, Carriker, despite a nice play or two today, has looked innefective, and Golston just looks downright awful.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

what needs to happen to keep opposing defenses out of the backfield on running plays.

replace rabach and hicks with better players, get brown to actually start playing some good football, and find a TE that can block.

That's not going to happen this year and I would like to note that Casey was mentioned today of doing a very good job today. Of course I'm sure you can find a play or two where he stunk it up but you can do that for any player. I've noticed that once you develop an opinion of a player, regardless of what they do, you mind is not going to change.

frankcal20 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

what needs to happen to keep opposing defenses out of the backfield on running plays.

replace rabach and hicks with better players, get brown to actually start playing some good football, and find a TE that can block.

That's not going to happen this year and I would like to note that Casey was mentioned today of doing a very good job today. Of course I'm sure you can find a play or two where he stunk it up but you can do that for any player. I've noticed that once you develop an opinion of a player, regardless of what they do, you mind is not going to change.

Rabach stinks run blocking. He did well pass blocking, but got blown into the backfield on a number of occasions on running plays. He's solid but just doesn't seem physical enough anymore to be an effective run blocker.

Oh and I agree that none of the things that I mentioned are going to happen this year. I just don't see much that we can do to improve the running game in-season.