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CanesSkins26 wrote:so it's absurd to hold players to a different standard, especially when oftentimes players agree to structure their contracts in certain ways to help teams deal with the salary cap.

Agreed. I take this stance all the time.

That's all well and good, but it doesn't really speak to the point at hand. If a team can cut a player or tell a player to accept less money after a poor season (despite a contract being in place), there is nothing wrong with a player asking for more money after a good season.

But legally, both parties are binded by the contract that THEY signed.

There have been numerous instances where teams had told players to either accept less money or be cut, so it's absurd to hold players to a different standard, especially when oftentimes players agree to structure their contracts in certain ways to help teams deal with the salary cap.

So if a player is being asked to take less or be cut, then if the players value has diminished, it may be a better decision to take the money that's on the table than go onto the open market and get less. That's just a good business decision on both parts. Just like if a player is overachieving his contract, more times than most, if the player comes in, does his job, etc he get's a new deal because his value is there.

frankcal20 wrote:

That's all well and good, but it doesn't really speak to the point at hand. If a team can cut a player or tell a player to accept less money after a poor season (despite a contract being in place), there is nothing wrong with a player asking for more money after a good season.

But legally, both parties are binded by the contract that THEY signed.

There have been numerous instances where teams had told players to either accept less money or be cut, so it's absurd to hold players to a different standard, especially when oftentimes players agree to structure their contracts in certain ways to help teams deal with the salary cap.

So if a player is being asked to take less or be cut, then if the players value has diminished, it may be a better decision to take the money that's on the table than go onto the open market and get less. That's just a good business decision on both parts. Just like if a player is overachieving his contract, more times than most, if the player comes in, does his job, etc he get's a new deal because his value is there.

You guys are right but in Al's case he just isn't here!!!! *driving me totally nuts by the way*

Apparently from London's quotes, Fat Albert has been a me-first guy since he got here. I say ship him out of here. I don't care if we can only get a 3rd or 4th for him, he is not worth the headache and he needs to be gone.

Here's an interesting idea by Adam Scheffner of ESPN about the bonus money for Haynesworth:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=529216 ... id=2459789

As I read more about this, Al's not going to win a lot of people over. LOL

frankcal20 wrote:Here's an interesting idea by Adam Scheffner of ESPN about the bonus money for Haynesworth:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=529216 ... id=2459789

They might be able to get that money back if he skips Training Camp. Highly doubtful they'd successfully be able to go after the bonus money just for missing a mini camp.

He should realize that he is untradeable, and that the skins will try like hell to recoup their losses, and he should just play/shut up. But he is dumb, and apparently so is his agent.

In my view, Haynesworth was being selfish by missing voluntary workouts and damaged his public image. His character was already in question after his behavior last year, and going into this spring it was pretty clear that he didn't have his teammates behind him. That's a bad position to be in when you are trying to get some leverage in negotiation.

Still, "voluntary" workouts are voluntary, and he still had some moral leverage provided he would stay a man of his word. Now all of that has changed, and he's doing more than just being selfish. He's broken his word and he insists on throwing a temper tantrum on the side, too. Forgive me if I can't force myself to shed any tears for the $40 million man who decided he's too good to do his job.

Every moment Haynesworth continues to collect a paycheck while skipping out on his duties, he is damaging the team and holding us back The worst part about this, IMHO, is the impact that it's going to have in the locker room.

They even gave him an out, with permission to seek another employer back in February, which would have given him a clean break. But he wanted to wait until after he got his $21 million bonus. Another team would have covered at least some of that with a new contract. Bottom line is that Haynesworth wanted to eat his cake and have it too — which tells me that he is getting really bad advice, whether from his agent, family, or whoever else he confides in.

All of that being said, I don't know why on earth anyone would want the Skins to trade or cut Haynesworth at this point. The man can — and will — play, and still play better than anyone else we could find to replace him right now.

And, if we let him go now, Shanahan would look like the parent who says no to their kid the first time but relents after the child is obnoxious enough. Shanahan and Allen can't help that Haynesworth is here, and here on an unfair contract, but they can demonstrate a little control going forward. It's a messy situation, but Haynesworth is trying to force the Skins' hand right now. I say don't give him the satisfaction. Make him show up to camp and make him run a load of wind-sprints. Push him hard and make him earn some of that cash. Get a little value out of him on Sunday afternoons. I guarantee he'll be desperate to get out of DC the following offseason, and will definitely not pick our pockets on his way out.

F him.

I hope he goes to the Raiders where his career dies a slow, horrible death.

Get rid of him. He is a POS!

I think we all agree AH is an AH. But what is in the best interest of the Redskins? I think Shanny and Allen will deal with this in the appropriate way. If I was AH I would be concerned about my money and professional football career.

Redskins Not Happy With Haynesworth

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=529295 ... id=2459789

Chris Luva Luva wrote:As I read more about this, Al's not going to win a lot of people over. LOL

Well he's got the support of Deangelo Hall and that's about it. hahaha

Chris Luva Luva wrote:As I read more about this, Al's not going to win a lot of people over. LOL

And they shouldn't. I'm no doom and gloom fan, and I'm not irrational at all. But, this is as plain as the nose on Albert's face. He's being an extreme douche...and it IS HIS fault.

The problem with AH is people are always willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when his actions prove he doesn't deserve it. He has little integrity and his character is suspect.

His past transgressions (i.e. stomping Gurode in the face, injuring a kid doing 125 in his speed-machine, knocking-up a stripper (albeit a fine one) during Superbowl Week, cashing a 21 million dollar check AFTER knowing our defense and being allowed to seek a trade, telling everyone he'd report to mandatory stuff, and then waiting until the last flight from Nashville had left to say - eh I'm not comin, I want out.)

There were a number of opportunities to handle this a much more reasonable way, at each turn he hasn't done it. I didn't sour on him until now, and now it is obvious that he's a malcontent cancer whom nobody should apologize for.


BTW - Andre Carter had his best season as a defensive end last year and came to Washington to get away from a 3-4 scheme. Is he complaining???

London Fletcher has never played in a 3-4. Is he b**ching?? Rocky has never played inside AND is playing on a one year tender when he could have been a Free Agent. Is he moaning about the defense???

No contract in the NFL guarantees you anything about future gameplans or strategies. So, it's not time to throw a pity party for a guy who just pulled off the biggest coup in the history of the NFL. I agree wholeheartedly with what London Fletcher said - this guy is selfish and he's proven to be unreliable. He can't know he's being used improperly because HE HASN"T BEEN THERE TO BE USED!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:If I were offered a job for a certain salary, then new management came in and told me my role would be changed.... I would deal with it.

I believe you're in the minority sir. I know for a fact that if I had new management come in today and told me I'd be doing something different that is beneath my capabilities, I'd be looking for a new job. Why would I work somewhere that I'm not happy when I have options? C'mon now... Let's be real here.

ATX_Skins wrote:Let's cut the crap, Haynesworth is being unreasonable.

This I can agree with. I don't think he's giving the new regime a fair shake. Totally agree.

ATX_Skins wrote:Trade him, cut our losses, learn from it.

There's nothing to learn from because Bruce/Shanny wouldn't have done this. They're dealing with baggage.

ATX_Skins wrote:These issues will continue to come into play with the salaries these players are making, it's almost unavoidable nowadays.

You have to be very judicious in who you reward that type of many to, I don't believe Bruce would have done this.

What is beneath him??

Your right about Shanny and Bruce not learning from this, but Snyder is the one that ultimately cut the check. Maybe he will finally learn a thing or two from this.

I do agree that Bruce would not have done this either, but say in the off chance Devin Thomas has a breakout year... Do you think there is no chance he would hold out for more money. It's like a growing trend with these guys.

Unless he pays his bonus back? We should have no choice but to not honor his wishes. He has not honored his contract so therefore there is a breach in the contract. Haynesworth owes this franchise and we owe him nothing at this point. Even if we have to sit him on the bench oh well.

Here is a scenerio we trade Haynesworth to the Jets for Revis. The Jets pay us the bonus Haynesworth already has and we give Revis the contract he is seeking. Same could go for Andre Johnson. That is more wishful thinking but I like to entertain the thought.

Man am I dissapointed with this news. You would think AH would at least give it a shot?

HEROHAMO wrote:Unless he pays his bonus back? We should have no choice but to not honor his wishes. He has not honored his contract so therefore there is a breach in the contract. Haynesworth owes this franchise and we owe him nothing at this point. Even if we have to sit him on the bench oh well.

Here is a scenerio we trade Haynesworth to the Jets for Revis. The Jets pay us the bonus Haynesworth already has and we give Revis the contract he is seeking. Same could go for Andre Johnson. That is more wishful thinking but I like to entertain the thought.

Man am I dissapointed with this news. You would think AH would at least give it a shot?

Problem is the Jets play a 3/4. That's why I suggested the Bills & Lynch. As far as I know they still use a 4/3

Here's Haynesworth's actual statement to the press....

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:45 p.m.

CSNwashington.com

"The Washington Redskins are a great and storied franchise with an owner in Mr. Snyder that will do anything in his power to win and a fan base that is unrivaled in the NFL. When I signed here after meeting all day with the staff and top executives, and talked about the defense that we would run and what my role would be, I was assured I would have the freedom to play to my strengths and I was excited about the future. After many years in the NFL, I know what it takes for me to perform at my highest level. My number one goal has always been to help my team win -period. It's also important at my position to help free my teammates to make plays, which I've done throughout my career when I've been allowed to play to my strengths. I will continue to work individually to prepare for training camp and the start of the 2010 season."

What can the redskins do as far as trades go can the redskins get anybody and if so who????

redskins14ru wrote:What can the redskins do as far as trades go can the redskins get anybody and if so who????

Probably not much because:
1) His attitude
2) We have very little leverage
&
3) more teams have switched to the 3/4.

yupchagee wrote:

redskins14ru wrote:What can the redskins do as far as trades go can the redskins get anybody and if so who????

Probably not much because:
1) His attitude
2) We have very little leverage
&
3) more teams have switched to the 3/4.

thanks , I guess he is content with waiting for a deal that , what helps him play a 4-3 so he can be happy, hmmmm who knows what will come of this.

This reaads good ..

Shanahan also revealed that Haynesworth earlier this year was given the option of freedom or money—and chose money. The coach said he told Haynesworth in February that the Redskins would agree to release him and let him go to another team—in exchange for not paying him the $21 million bonus due April 1.

“Obviously, he took the check,” Shanahan said, “so I was surprised he wasn’t here today. … Don’t take our check and then say that, hey, you don’t want to be part of our organization.”

source: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AonJF26O6Kugz6CAm8PDYGBDubYF?slug=ap-redskins-haynesworth

The Hogster wrote:Where are all of the people who were saying Haynesworth is ok and the media created this story? What happened to all will be fine cause he'll show up for mandatory stuff??

I'm one of those people that your asking about/looking for... along with the Redskins GM, Head Coach, DC and others on this site.... I'm one of those people that took him at his word. I still say the media created the story because there was nothing said publicly about him not showing up for mandatory drills, in fact he said that he would be at Redskins Park for all of the team's mandatory drills.

He didn't show and it is what it is

The Hogster wrote:At this point, the Skins have no choice but to try and trade him. Otherwise we are in for a long season.

Why should they try to trade him? They won't get what they want for him and the cost to the team will be the same regardless if he is on the team or not. If he's going to cost the team like he is here than keep him here

The Hogster wrote:I dont know what kind of value we can get for him now - but this guy is a huge pile of $h*t

They will get less than market value for him and I hope the new regime isn't going that route. He was told by the NFLPA that the team couldn't go after his bonus and as soon as it came out that they planned on getting some back Fat Albert said he'd show for training camp. Hopefully the FO is of the "fool me once shame on you..." state of mind, and will go after as much as they can get back as soon as they can get it back.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Here's Haynesworth's actual statement to the press....

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:45 p.m.

CSNwashington.com

"The Washington Redskins are a great and storied franchise with an owner in Mr. Snyder that will do anything in his power to win and a fan base that is unrivaled in the NFL. When I signed here after meeting all day with the staff and top executives, and talked about the defense that we would run and what my role would be, I was assured I would have the freedom to play to my strengths and I was excited about the future. After many years in the NFL, I know what it takes for me to perform at my highest level. My number one goal has always been to help my team win -period. It's also important at my position to help free my teammates to make plays, which I've done throughout my career when I've been allowed to play to my strengths. I will continue to work individually to prepare for training camp and the start of the 2010 season."

Why should we believe any of this when we have seen how solid what he says is, considering this let's look at this statement...

"When I signed here after meeting all day with the staff and top executives, and talked about the defense that we would run and what my role would be, I was assured I would have the freedom to play to my strengths and I was excited about the future."
For this to be true he would have had to sign that $100M contract on the second day of free agency at the earliest not five minutes after the market opened.


After many years in the NFL, I know what it takes for me to perform at my highest level. My number one goal has always been to help my team win -period.
If that's the case why did he show up last year not in football shape, unable to play complete games and lived off portable oxygen tanks week in and week out. Why has every reason he given since MS took over been about him getting back to his pro bowl status for this season and this statement is the first that mentions helping the team do anything?

It's also important at my position to help free my teammates to make plays, which I've done throughout my career when I've been allowed to play to my strengths.
Isn't this his biggest reason for not wanting to play in a 3-4 (taking on multiple OL to free up teammates).

I think they should wait until TC and see what happens... regardless of what happens he should remain with the Redskins though the 2010 season, after all the Redskins haven't had a personal protector for the punter since AA went to Chi-town

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I agree 100%. Teams are going to have to take a stand against all these players who refuse to honor their contract. Part of this problem is organizational since the Redskins tend to overpay for everything, but as a professional, a player should have the ethics to at least show up for work.

The Big Al situation aside, why should players have to honor contracts if teams don't? Players are cut (and therefore not paid all the money in their contracts) prior to the end of their contracts all the time. It goes both ways.

That's a debate for players that aren't getting what they are worth or players that are cut because they are scheduled to make more than what the team feels they should be getting.

That rarely happens under "the Danny" (he'll pay anyone any amount). AA was traded to a team that picked up what was still left in guaranteed money, Lavar brought his way out and they ate $9M to get rid of Coles.

This isn't about a contract or the team not honoring a contract, this is about a guy that wanted to get paid, got paid, and now has nothing left to achieve

Big Al got overpaid for his performance last year although he did help the team, then was paid twice as much and not only hasn't showed up but has lied tp his employers about his intentions

Mike & Mike are ripping him a new one this morning. No support for Fat Albert anywhere throughout the league. Fat Albert has now set a new low bar for a valid reason to holdout. Fat Albert is a jerk.