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I just read on PFT that Vinny will remain w/ the team as a consultant

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... onsultant/

With Vinny Cerrato resigning his position as executive V.P. of football operations in D.C., most people assume that he'll no longer be working for the team.

And that assumption would be incorrect.

Per a league source, Cerrato will be remaining with the franchise as a consultant to owner Daniel Snyder.

Frankly, however, we're not sure how much consulting Vinny will be doing. The suspicion is that Cerrato will remain on the payroll in order to ensure that he doesn't blab about company secrets, including for example the truth regarding the recruitment of Albert Haynesworth (whatever that truth might be), the facts regarding any communications with and involvement of Mike Shanahan in recent moves made by the team (whatever those facts might be), and the details regarding other potentially sensitive issues (whatever those details might be).

So it's unlikely that Cerrato will be complaining to Snyder that Allen and/or the head coach are doing things incorrectly and that Cerrato could be doing them better if only he had another chance. Even though he's already been fired and returned once before, we seriously doubt that Cerrato will be Snyder's Billy Martin.

TeeterSalad wrote:I just read on PFT that Vinny will remain w/ the team as a consultant

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... onsultant/

With Vinny Cerrato resigning his position as executive V.P. of football operations in D.C., most people assume that he'll no longer be working for the team.

And that assumption would be incorrect.

Per a league source, Cerrato will be remaining with the franchise as a consultant to owner Daniel Snyder.

Frankly, however, we're not sure how much consulting Vinny will be doing. The suspicion is that Cerrato will remain on the payroll in order to ensure that he doesn't blab about company secrets, including for example the truth regarding the recruitment of Albert Haynesworth (whatever that truth might be), the facts regarding any communications with and involvement of Mike Shanahan in recent moves made by the team (whatever those facts might be), and the details regarding other potentially sensitive issues (whatever those details might be).

So it's unlikely that Cerrato will be complaining to Snyder that Allen and/or the head coach are doing things incorrectly and that Cerrato could be doing them better if only he had another chance. Even though he's already been fired and returned once before, we seriously doubt that Cerrato will be Snyder's Billy Martin.

Doesn't surprise me at all Vinny is the one guy in the Org. who's done his job well....Be prepared for Vinny 3.0

He is staying on the payroll to stay off television. He might become a Mel Kiper type and begin a draft publication program.

Confidentiality has a price.

The snake lingers in patient wait of a weak moment to strike back at its next victim ...

Redskin in Canada wrote:Confidentiality has a price.
The snake lingers in patient wait of a weak moment to strike back at its next victim ...

HA - Snyder seems so infatuated with this guy that he probably was worried that some other team might have brought him in

I certainly hope that we are not just looking at "dumb and dumber II or is it III"
IF Snyder is still running things with Cerrato's input all he's really done is put a GM in place to placate the idiot fans like me

Apparently, this move was a long time coming:

Leaders of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, the group formed to promote diversity in hiring at all levels of the NFL, said they're satisfied that the Washington Redskins complied with the provisions of the league's minority interviewing requirement before Thursday's hiring of Bruce Allen as their general manager, Mark Maske writes.

"We're very satisfied," John Wooten, the chairman of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, said in a telephone interview. "They fulfilled it over 10 days ago."

Vinny's been dead man walking for 2 weeks?

TeeterSalad wrote:I just read on PFT that Vinny will remain w/ the team as a consultant

Don't get all bent out of shape. The Danny kept Casserly on as a "consultant" after he fired him, until Charlie landed the Texans' GM job.

I wouldn't be suprised if this is just what PFT says; just hush money. Or it could also be that DS extended VC an olive branch and said, "I will let you resign and still pay you. You get to keep your (what little you have) dignity and your paychecks." That way the Danny didn't "fire" Cerato and Vinny doesn't have to give back his future pay checks. VC is still "employed" by the team so he can't answer all of those questions we would love to have answered.

PulpExposure wrote:Apparently, this move was a long time coming:

Leaders of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, the group formed to promote diversity in hiring at all levels of the NFL, said they're satisfied that the Washington Redskins complied with the provisions of the league's minority interviewing requirement before Thursday's hiring of Bruce Allen as their general manager, Mark Maske writes.
"We're very satisfied," John Wooten, the chairman of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, said in a telephone interview. "They fulfilled it over 10 days ago."

Vinny's been dead man walking for 2 weeks?

the process began a long time before that - these 2 bozos, in my opinion, have been looking at how to 'manage' this since it became obvious how big a mistake they had made in bringing in Zorn, not having any depth or an effective offensive line, etc. etc. ....

now we hear that Cerrato is not really gone - he's advising Snyder, who, to all intents and purposes is still managing this franchise
this is all smoke and mirrors (as RiC has aluded to also)


so .... what has really changed?

instead of here today, gone tomorrow, we have "gone today, here tomorrow" - the more things change, the more they stay the same

Vinnie denies he is to be a Consultant

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... t-hel.html

"A report on profootballfootballtalk.com early this morning regarding me, my future within the Redskins organization and the outrageous suggestions about so-called secrets is erroneous and irresponsible. Three times the blogger notes that he has no facts, and that is the only true statement made in the article. Dan has agreed to pay me through the term of my contract, which ends in February."
-Vinny

NC43Hog wrote:Vinnie denies he is to be a Consultant

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... t-hel.html

"A report on profootballfootballtalk.com early this morning regarding me, my future within the Redskins organization and the outrageous suggestions about so-called secrets is erroneous and irresponsible. Three times the blogger notes that he has no facts, and that is the only true statement made in the article. Dan has agreed to pay me through the term of my contract, which ends in February."
-Vinny

He is on his way to a job with the Washington Post then???

Gooooooood!

SkinsJock wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Apparently, this move was a long time coming:

Leaders of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, the group formed to promote diversity in hiring at all levels of the NFL, said they're satisfied that the Washington Redskins complied with the provisions of the league's minority interviewing requirement before Thursday's hiring of Bruce Allen as their general manager, Mark Maske writes.
"We're very satisfied," John Wooten, the chairman of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, said in a telephone interview. "They fulfilled it over 10 days ago."

Vinny's been dead man walking for 2 weeks?

the process began a long time before that - these 2 bozos, in my opinion, have been looking at how to 'manage' this since it became obvious how big a mistake they had made in bringing in Zorn, not having any depth or an effective offensive line, etc. etc. ....

now we hear that Cerrato is not really gone - he's advising Snyder, who, to all intents and purposes is still managing this franchise
this is all smoke and mirrors (as RiC has aluded to also)


so .... what has really changed?

instead of here today, gone tomorrow, we have "gone today, here tomorrow" - the more things change, the more they stay the same

I knew there would absolutely be someone who can find a negative in firing Vinny Cerrato.

HA! - beauty is in the perception - you must not be paying too much attention, but I'm happy to let you in on it - for the record, I'm ecstatic about Cerrato "resigning"

all I am really trying to find out who is in charge and making decisions here now that we have Mr Bruce Allen here as GM - SO - my question for you is simple - Is Bruce Allen selecting the next HC or is he just supporting Snyder now that Cerrato is not here to do that same 'job'?
We need a GM with SOLE authority to make the choices for both coaches and players - IF Snyder is still making those decisions then we have only lost a small part of the reason this team is bad & bad it is

please look at this http://www.the-hogs.net/blogs/2009/12/18 ... -allen-in/

help me out here 

No way Bruce Allen comes in here with Vinny anywhere near the organization

SkinsJock wrote:HA! - beauty is in the perception - you must not be paying too much attention, but I'm happy to let you in on it - for the record, I'm ecstatic about Cerrato "resigning"

all I am really trying to find out who is in charge and making decisions here now that we have Mr Bruce Allen here as GM - SO - my question for you is simple - Is Bruce Allen selecting the next HC or is he just supporting Snyder now that Cerrato is not here to do that same 'job'?
We need a GM with SOLE authority to make the choices for both coaches and players - IF Snyder is still making those decisions then we have only lost a small part of the reason this team is bad & bad it is

please look at this http://www.the-hogs.net/blogs/2009/12/18 ... -allen-in/

help me out here 

My post was mostly tongue-in-cheek, however, I did find this part of your post absolutely ridiculous:

now we hear that Cerrato is not really gone - he's advising Snyder, who, to all intents and purposes is still managing this franchise
this is all smoke and mirrors (as RiC has aluded to also)


so .... what has really changed?

Cerrato is gone. Yes, he's still a "consultant" until his contract runs out in February 2010, but that's simply to preclude him from running off and spouting about his time in DC to the media. I'm sure he'll get a nice little settlement package, along with a well-crafted NDA in February.

However, make no mistake; Vinny was fired, and has no influence with Snyder anymore. Will Snyder step back and let Allen run the franchise? I don't know.

I just know that he wouldn't step back and let Cerrato run the franchise.

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:HA! - beauty is in the perception - you must not be paying too much attention, but I'm happy to let you in on it - for the record, I'm ecstatic about Cerrato "resigning"
all I am really trying to find out who is in charge and making decisions here now that we have Mr Bruce Allen here as GM - SO - my question for you is simple - Is Bruce Allen selecting the next HC or is he just supporting Snyder now that Cerrato is not here to do that same 'job'?
We need a GM with SOLE authority to make the choices for both coaches and players - IF Snyder is still making those decisions then we have only lost a small part of the reason this team is bad & bad it is

please look at this http://www.the-hogs.net/blogs/2009/12/18 ... -allen-in/

help me out here 

Cerrato is gone. Yes, he's still a "consultant" until his contract runs out in February 2010, but that's simply to preclude him from running off and spouting about his time in DC to the media. I'm sure he'll get a nice little settlement package, along with a well-crafted NDA in February.
However, make no mistake; Vinny was fired, and has no influence with Snyder anymore. Will Snyder step back and let Allen run the franchise? I don't know.
I just know that he wouldn't step back and let Cerrato run the franchise.

DUH - we all know that Cerrato is technically gone and despite what you think I am not one that finds anything wrong with that - my only concern has to do with the perception by some here that things are a lot better without Cerrato - WE ARE NOT - the only way things get better here happens when Snyder is not in charge

As a franchise, we are not better off with Shanahan as HC and Peyton Manning as QB and the 2009 NFC Pro Bowl offensive line IF Snyder is still in charge here - Snyder's responsible for the problems with this team and not having Cerrato is not a big deal unless Snyder is going to stop interfering

it just seems like there are many here that think this is a major change - all that happened is someone came in here to replace Cerrato and that person, Bruce Allen does not have the authority most here would like him to have

For this franchise to get better we need Snyder to back off and let Bruce Allen be a GM - all we really have now is just a different guy under Snyder

PulpExposure wrote:.. Cerrato is gone. Yes, he's still a "consultant" until his contract runs out in February 2010 ...
However, make no mistake; Vinny was fired, and has no influence with Snyder anymore. Will Snyder step back and let Allen run the franchise? I don't know.
I just know that he wouldn't step back and let Cerrato run the franchise.

Cerrato was not the big problem here, part of it, no question! - Snyder is the cause of our downfall - I really feel that Snyder does need to "step back and let Allen run the franchise" because that is the ONLY way we can begin to repair what he (Snyder) has done.
IMO, all Snyder has done is made a "change" that is not a change, this is just a means to deflect attention and allow him to continue to interfere
a few days ago that was the mantra here - we are still "nowhere" if Snyder just fires Cerrato and Zorn - most here agreed that we need a GM that is in charge - until that happens anyone that thinks we are going to be consistently competitive with Snyder managing this franchise is delusional

let me just add - I think that Bruce Allen will be a huge plus for this team - I just hope that if Snyder is going to continue to manage things he at least gives a lot more credence to the new guys coming in than he has in the past - I think he listened to Gibbs and I hope he pays attention to what these guys feel is needed here

I would like him to not be involved but if he is I hope that he listens to the new guys when things settle down here

As most that know allen are saying, he wouldn't have taken this job unless he had full controll over the team.

SkinsJock wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:.. Cerrato is gone. Yes, he's still a "consultant" until his contract runs out in February 2010 ...
However, make no mistake; Vinny was fired, and has no influence with Snyder anymore. Will Snyder step back and let Allen run the franchise? I don't know.
I just know that he wouldn't step back and let Cerrato run the franchise.

Cerrato was not the big problem here, part of it, no question! - Snyder is the cause of our downfall - I really feel that Snyder does need to "step back and let Allen run the franchise" because that is the ONLY way we can begin to repair what he (Snyder) has done.
IMO, all Snyder has done is made a "change" that is not a change, this is just a means to deflect attention and allow him to continue to interfere
a few days ago that was the mantra here - we are still "nowhere" if Snyder just fires Cerrato and Zorn - most here agreed that we need a GM that is in charge - until that happens anyone that thinks we are going to be consistently competitive with Snyder managing this franchise is delusional

I think we agree on your points. However, at this point, you've gone past saying that, and basically assuming Snyder hired Allen to serve as Cerrato 2. I can't make that assumption. I'm just not that pessimistic.

I just can't see a reason why he'd can Cerrato now, and have the same arrangement with Allen for the future. If he wanted a patsy, he could have kept Cerrato. And no, I don't buy the fan backlash idea, simply because of timing. If he really was concerned with the fan backlash, he would have pulled this stunt a few games ago (back when fans were angry as all hell). However, as most of the anger has subsided by now, I just don't think that's a real reason.

I'm for a change in how the franchise is managed

let me try to be clearer - I do not think that Snyder has any ulterior motives for bringing in Bruce Allen, I think Bruce Allen in conjunction with others could be a very good GM - my only concern is that Bruce Allen has not been given the control a GM needs - if Snyder is still in charge of who the HC is OR anything to do with the product on the field (coaches or players) then I think we all should be concerned

nobody has confirmed that Snyder has turned the franchise over to anybody that knows what they are doing and that is all we all need to see - If Snyder is still running the franchise and picking the new HC then all we have seen is that Cerrato is no longer here and Bruce Allen has been brought in - I think we all wanted Cerrato out of here AND for Snyder to bring in someone to manage the franchise

is this so difficult to understand

I'm for change - we do not need a mediocre product - the last 3 coaches that Snyder has brought in here have not given us a very competitive product - we do not need Snyder making a choice for HC, he does not know what he's doing

Snyder felt that the offensive players he gave Zorn were capable of making the playoffs - enough said

SkinsJock wrote:I'm for a change in how the franchise is managed

let me try to be clearer - I do not think that Snyder has any ulterior motives for bringing in Bruce Allen, I think Bruce Allen in conjunction with others could be a very good GM - my only concern is that Bruce Allen has not been given the control a GM needs - if Snyder is still in charge of who the HC is OR anything to do with the product on the field (coaches or players) then I think we all should be concerned

nobody has confirmed that Snyder has turned the franchise over to anybody that knows what they are doing and that is all we all need to see - If Snyder is still running the franchise and picking the new HC then all we have seen is that Cerrato is no longer here and Bruce Allen has been brought in - I think we all wanted Cerrato out of here AND for Snyder to bring in someone to manage the franchise

is this so difficult to understand

Dude. I guess I wasn't clear enough. I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH YOUR OVERALL POINT THAT THE IMPORTANT THING ISN'T NECESSARILY FIRING CERRATO IN A VACUUM, BUT THAT SNYDER STEPS BACK TO LET A FOOTBALL GUY RUN THE TEAM.

However, your posts also indicate that you've already prejudged the situation, and in your mind, this isn't going to happen anyways. According to your thinking, Snyder just basically flip-flopped Cerrato for Allen.

To wit:

IMO, all Snyder has done is made a "change" that is not a change, this is just a means to deflect attention and allow him to continue to interfere

On the other hand, MY POINT IS THAT I'm not willing to automatically judge this a lateral move. I'll give it time, and see if Allen has more independence than Cerrato.

Are we clear? Good lord.

DS said in the presser that he wasn't involved as much as everybody thinks right!! Listen to the players..they are all talking about how Vinny decided who played...now I know DS loves Vinny but I don't see DS letting Vinny decide who's plays. So enter Bruce Allen...listen to his words...he said when a decision is made it will be a Redskins decisions??? So with Alen in we are to believe that he has final say...which means there has been a fundamental change in DS...Let's hope so...I'll take a wiat and see approach. The next step to watch is who the coach is and what powers in player personel he has. I just don't get DS and JJ it's like the movie Trading Places I think they have a dollar bet on who can win a SB first while picking the player themself.

Guys...As Pulp said above..."Good Lord"

Let me explain this to you. First off, EVERY owner puts his two cents in about who plays in the games. EVERY SINGLE ONE. The one's who have Vinny at the helm actually see their wishes granted. Those that have high quality GM's do not. Quality GM's talk their owner's into not doing dumb things which is EXACTLTY why Allen is an awesome choice as a GM here. He had to endure the exact same pressures from Al Davis as he will from Snyder. He knows how to get his vision accomplished while making Dan think he's calling all the shots.

I'm so excited for Allen. He is no puppet. This dude is THE REAL DEAL. The thing I worry about is that Dan will not stand for as little imput as he will be allowed. But that's not for a few years off at the least.

Watch the coaching situtaion as an example. If Vinny was brought in to replace himself, Zorn would have been fired this week and someone else would have been hired. Not to say that won't happen anyway, but Allen will come in and observe. He will interview EVERY single person in that organization from coaches to his secretary and keep everyone that has one goal in mind. Work as a team player for the greater goal...and that's to win. He kept mentioning that people make an organization great. How great was that to hear.

Pat Kirwin on Sirius NFL is a great dude to listen to about this stuff. He's on in the afternoon and I would suggest hearing what he has to say on Allen.

Bruce Allen, as chiefhog observed, is nobody's puppet. His dad left a legacy of self-reliance, and purpose, in his mind. I'm certain that is one of the reason that Snyder selected him... this is a man who has broad respect through the league as an honorable man with tremendous integrity, who can do much to help Snyder dispell talk that he is playing fantasy football with a real team.

Now, if Allen has HALF the ability that his dad did to motivate and move an organization, a team to a single minded purpose... the Redskins will soon be a highly respected opponent.

George Allen's teams were the model of team overachievement. They were rarely the most talented team on the field... but they were always the best TEAM on the field... even when they lost.