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frankcal20 wrote:Taking the FG there is playing to win the game. Your goal is to put the game out of reach and should the kick have been made, it would've been. We missed it and that kicked our ass. But that's how our season has gone this year. Not a big deal. I'll take the better draft position and go after a stud LT.

You said it yourself, keep their offense off of the field. If they were going to be able to take that clock down to 30 seconds or less, I would agree with the play call. We all know that that was NOT the case. They are a quick strike offense so you have to go for the KILL, not to mame, just in case maming them doesn't work. As we saw, maming didn't work.

Countertrey wrote:

Champsturf wrote:I think that my dog was calling the game at that point. He's a Berner and pretty smart, but knows NOTHING about football.

Bernese Mountain Dogs have no business on the sidelines.

I know it, but he has a mnind of his own.

Yeah but if we made the kick, we were up by 10 - 2 possessions. And that should have been guaranteed.

OK...letting the disappointment wear off...

The Redskins are a young team. This is the start of re-building. Don't expect to see Portis play for the team again...maybe not ey, either...this OL is the future with whoever they draft...

A young team that does not know how to win. Comes close, but not there yet. Missed three enormous plays:

- end 1st half INT turned fumble turned Saints TD. Without TD, Redskins wipe out Saints.

- end 2nd half missed FG from in close. Make FG and game over.

- end 2nd half defense collapse, and especially on the 53-yard TD. Just keep the Saints from a TD, and game over.

frankcal20 wrote:Yeah but if we made the kick, we were up by 10 - 2 possessions. And that should have been guaranteed.

Frank, I get that, really I do, but it's not playing to win. Even if that kick was made, 10 point lead, right? You don't think that the Saints could score 10 in 2 minutes (just under)? Go for the KILL. If the kill doesn't happen, then hell yes kick the FG. They made NO attempt to KILL. They played it safe, as usual. When you're 3-8, I think almost ANY gamble is a good gamble. That's why I'm not harping on Moore for that fumble/TD. He tried to make something happen. Bad move, yes. His team is 3-8 and he was trying his best to help them win. I would've preferred for him to just fall down, but what's the point of that at this point of the season? Lay it all out on the field. Don't trust the refs or the clock. Win the GD game for yourselves, outright.

I call it competing, not just trying to win. To me, there's a HUGE difference.

SCSkinsFan wrote:So what can you say now?????????
They found another way to lose the game? It's a conspiracy to make all Skins fans miserable. Yeah, that's it.
I'm going to find the pain relief (again)!

this is all i,m going to say too they found way to lose another game they couldn,t closeout.teams like the saints and colts find a way to win these games we do the opposite.
on to next week.

what a thrilling year this has been,

Champsturf wrote: I think almost ANY gamble is a good gamble.

Yeah....just ask Bill Belichick. (I know, I know you said at 3-8, but....)

I walked in the house just as Swishy was missing what I thought was an extra point. I didn't see the plays predeeding. But a 10 point lead with 2 minutes and the Saints out of time-outs is a lock for even our team. Make a greedy mistake in that situation and then what do you say? "Zorn's an idiot" "Campbell sucks" The list goes on. Bottom line: Kick a freakin feild goal from 20 or whatever it was--ballgame.

Well, I still think that Zorn is an idiot and that Campbell sucks. Neither one of them made me think differently today.

Yes, 3-8 changes a LOT for me. Sorry. It's a much different game if you have a post season to be playing for. Take a chance. Not a stupid chance, but a high percentage chance. Roll Campbell out, take the pass if it's there, run it in if it's not, or just throw it away. That's a lot better than running what they know you're running so that it's ineffective and relying on a kicker that has proven that he doesn't kick in the clutch. Just saying...

Where was all of Landry's clapping when he bit on that weak pump fake? One thing after another...we just can't catch a break. I get on here all the time and read the posts but after that game today I had to sign up and add my two cents. I watched the game with my uncle who unfortunately is a cowboys fan and even he was jumping up and down rooting for us. Then as usual the wheels came off....I think the league needs to reconsider the down by contact rule and what to do if the play is whistled dead. That so called fumble IMO pushed the fork the rest of the way in.

frankcal20 wrote:

Champsturf wrote:

Redskinsfansince81 wrote:I notice no one has mentioned the play-calling before that Suisham missed field goal. 3 conservative runs in row. They should have been going for the jugular and throwing it into the endzone. That bothers me as much as missing the field goal.

Oh trust me, I was mentioning it in the gameday thread. Just pathetic...playing for the FG and ZERO killer instinct. What made it worse, Peyton/Williams KNEW that's how those plays would be called. It is widely known around the league that the Skins have no killer instinct. Somebody please try to brighten my day and tell me the last time that the Skins actually put someone away...PLEASE!

That offense, you've got to keep them off the field. I know what he was doing and based off the way the defense was playing, you kick the FG - put us up by 2 possessions and take the points. Its a no brainer. If you miss, which we did, you still hope that your defense could stop them. And once again, our defense can't close a game out to save their life.

I agree you attempt a field goal that should be made 99% of the time to most likely win the game when they didn't have any timeouts and needed to score twice.

There was 2:04 on the clock on the 3rd down before the missed FG, and I would have liked to have seen a pass there--stopping the clock there doesn't make a difference. But otherwise, they ran enough time (4+ minutes) off the clock and forced NO to burn its last timeouts. It was a great drive marred by a bad finish, and I don't think the coaches should be blamed for it. More than anything else, that late in the game, the Skins needed to keep the clock moving, and they did.

mastdark81 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:

Champsturf wrote:

Redskinsfansince81 wrote:I notice no one has mentioned the play-calling before that Suisham missed field goal. 3 conservative runs in row. They should have been going for the jugular and throwing it into the endzone. That bothers me as much as missing the field goal.

Oh trust me, I was mentioning it in the gameday thread. Just pathetic...playing for the FG and ZERO killer instinct. What made it worse, Peyton/Williams KNEW that's how those plays would be called. It is widely known around the league that the Skins have no killer instinct. Somebody please try to brighten my day and tell me the last time that the Skins actually put someone away...PLEASE!

That offense, you've got to keep them off the field. I know what he was doing and based off the way the defense was playing, you kick the FG - put us up by 2 possessions and take the points. Its a no brainer. If you miss, which we did, you still hope that your defense could stop them. And once again, our defense can't close a game out to save their life.

I agree you attempt a field goal that should be made 99% of the time to most likely win the game when they didn't have any timeouts and needed to score twice.

HUH??? Where did I say NOT to attempt the FG? I just said to try for the end zone prior to attempting the kick. Way to put yourself out there.

Champsturf wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Yeah but if we made the kick, we were up by 10 - 2 possessions. And that should have been guaranteed.

Frank, I get that, really I do, but it's not playing to win. Even if that kick was made, 10 point lead, right? You don't think that the Saints could score 10 in 2 minutes (just under)? Go for the KILL. If the kill doesn't happen, then hell yes kick the FG. They made NO attempt to KILL. They played it safe, as usual. When you're 3-8, I think almost ANY gamble is a good gamble. That's why I'm not harping on Moore for that fumble/TD. He tried to make something happen. Bad move, yes. His team is 3-8 and he was trying his best to help them win. I would've preferred for him to just fall down, but what's the point of that at this point of the season? Lay it all out on the field. Don't trust the refs or the clock. Win the GD game for yourselves, outright.

I call it competing, not just trying to win. To me, there's a HUGE difference.

Hitting a field goal would have won the game. Lets say we do "score a touchdown." If you say the Saints can score 10 points in 2 minutes don't you think they can score two td's also in 2 min? Or do you mean go for the touchdown AAAAND the two point conversion all game long lol

Champsturf wrote:Well, I still think that Zorn is an idiot and that Campbell sucks. Neither one of them made me think differently today.

Yes, 3-8 changes a LOT for me. Sorry. It's a much different game if you have a post season to be playing for. Take a chance. Not a stupid chance, but a high percentage chance. Roll Campbell out, take the pass if it's there, run it in if it's not, or just throw it away. That's a lot better than running what they know you're running so that it's ineffective and relying on a kicker that has proven that he doesn't kick in the clutch. Just saying...

Since you say Campbell sucks too why would you put it in his hands?

mastdark81 wrote:

Champsturf wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Yeah but if we made the kick, we were up by 10 - 2 possessions. And that should have been guaranteed.

Frank, I get that, really I do, but it's not playing to win. Even if that kick was made, 10 point lead, right? You don't think that the Saints could score 10 in 2 minutes (just under)? Go for the KILL. If the kill doesn't happen, then hell yes kick the FG. They made NO attempt to KILL. They played it safe, as usual. When you're 3-8, I think almost ANY gamble is a good gamble. That's why I'm not harping on Moore for that fumble/TD. He tried to make something happen. Bad move, yes. His team is 3-8 and he was trying his best to help them win. I would've preferred for him to just fall down, but what's the point of that at this point of the season? Lay it all out on the field. Don't trust the refs or the clock. Win the GD game for yourselves, outright.

I call it competing, not just trying to win. To me, there's a HUGE difference.

Hitting a field goal would have won the game. Lets say we do "score a touchdown." If you say the Saints can score 10 points in 2 minutes don't you think they can score two td's also in 2 min? Or do you mean go for the touchdown AAAAND the two point conversion all game long lol

No, hitting the FG would've been VERY good, but not optimum. The bigger the lead, the better chance you have to win, right? You take chances within reason, and at least making an ATTEMPT at scoring a TD would've been within reason. Some of you just can't see where I'm coming from. A 2 score lead is great, but wouldn't a 2 TD lead be better? Like I've already said, a high percentage try...Nevermind. You're not even reading the entire thread, just posting as you go. Let me know when you catch up.

mastdark81 wrote:

Champsturf wrote:Well, I still think that Zorn is an idiot and that Campbell sucks. Neither one of them made me think differently today.

Yes, 3-8 changes a LOT for me. Sorry. It's a much different game if you have a post season to be playing for. Take a chance. Not a stupid chance, but a high percentage chance. Roll Campbell out, take the pass if it's there, run it in if it's not, or just throw it away. That's a lot better than running what they know you're running so that it's ineffective and relying on a kicker that has proven that he doesn't kick in the clutch. Just saying...

Since you say Campbell sucks too why would you put it in his hands?

Ever hear of a "hot hand?" Campbell played well today. It just doesn't change my opinion of him. After all, he did show his true colors when he HAD to do something, he did...BAD. As far as me wanting an attempt at the endzone, I showed 3 scenarios...pass it in, run it in, or throw it away. Also, isn't it ALWAYS in his hand? Every play? While we're at it, how many games has Rock won for us? Why would I want it in HIS hands? I think I've also already mentioned why I wouldn't want it on Squishy's leg.

mastdark81 wrote:

Champsturf wrote:Well, I still think that Zorn is an idiot and that Campbell sucks. Neither one of them made me think differently today.

Yes, 3-8 changes a LOT for me. Sorry. It's a much different game if you have a post season to be playing for. Take a chance. Not a stupid chance, but a high percentage chance. Roll Campbell out, take the pass if it's there, run it in if it's not, or just throw it away. That's a lot better than running what they know you're running so that it's ineffective and relying on a kicker that has proven that he doesn't kick in the clutch. Just saying...

Since you say Campbell sucks too why would you put it in his hands?

This is also a very very good point. Campbell is so bad I think just him touching the ball is a gamble enough for me. Kick the field goal. I understand we are a bad team. Spoiler role could have happened, would it have mattered, no. Do any of you guys remember beating the Patriots during their superbowl run. I believe they lost 2 games that year and we were one of them. I still remember that game to this day. This could have been one of these games.

Sorry ATX, but he HAS to touch it on EVERY play.

Champsturf wrote:

mastdark81 wrote:

Champsturf wrote:Well, I still think that Zorn is an idiot and that Campbell sucks. Neither one of them made me think differently today.

Yes, 3-8 changes a LOT for me. Sorry. It's a much different game if you have a post season to be playing for. Take a chance. Not a stupid chance, but a high percentage chance. Roll Campbell out, take the pass if it's there, run it in if it's not, or just throw it away. That's a lot better than running what they know you're running so that it's ineffective and relying on a kicker that has proven that he doesn't kick in the clutch. Just saying...

Since you say Campbell sucks too why would you put it in his hands?

Ever hear of a "hot hand?" Cambell played well today. It just doesn't change my opinion of him. After all, he did show his true colors when he HAD to do something, he did...BAD. As far as me wanting an attempt at the endzone, I showed 3 scenarios...pass it in, run it in, or throw it away. Also, isn't it ALWAYS in his hand? Every play?

Campbell's last pass was a completion to Sellers for a first down and we were moving in overtime, then Sellers apparently fumbled. Campbell made Sellers fumble?

I'm with you when in the redzone I would always throw inside the touchdown at least once but c'mon you can't say that we should miss a field goal that easy.

Sometimes the ball just don't bounce your way and this was one of those games. I thought they played hard, but not smart at all times. That defensive coverage has to be fixed.

mastdark81 wrote:

Champsturf wrote:

mastdark81 wrote:

Champsturf wrote:Well, I still think that Zorn is an idiot and that Campbell sucks. Neither one of them made me think differently today.

Yes, 3-8 changes a LOT for me. Sorry. It's a much different game if you have a post season to be playing for. Take a chance. Not a stupid chance, but a high percentage chance. Roll Campbell out, take the pass if it's there, run it in if it's not, or just throw it away. That's a lot better than running what they know you're running so that it's ineffective and relying on a kicker that has proven that he doesn't kick in the clutch. Just saying...

Since you say Campbell sucks too why would you put it in his hands?

Ever hear of a "hot hand?" Cambell played well today. It just doesn't change my opinion of him. After all, he did show his true colors when he HAD to do something, he did...BAD. As far as me wanting an attempt at the endzone, I showed 3 scenarios...pass it in, run it in, or throw it away. Also, isn't it ALWAYS in his hand? Every play?

Campbell's last pass was a completion to Sellers for a first down and we were moving in overtime, then Sellers apparently fumbled. Campbell made Sellers fumble?

I'm with you when in the redzone I would always throw inside the touchdown at least once but c'mon you can't say that we should miss a field goal that easy.

Sometimes the ball just don't bounce your way and this was one of those games. I thought they played hard, but not smart at all times. That defensive coverage has to be fixed.

I wasn't talking about Campbell's last pass, that was in OT. I was talking about his last pass in regulation, another time to ice the game. It was an INT. The guys calling the game praised him all day long (much more than I was) and they ripped him for that pass. Even Frank says it was terrible.

Where did I say that we should miss the FG? I said that they should've tried for the TD, not play for the FG. Killer instinct. This team doesn't have it, the play caller at that point in the game doesn't have it, and it also looks like you don't have it. Playing the "the ball didn't bounce our way today" card is crap to me. WIN THE GAME! Stop making excuses. Is it play calling? Is it execution? It it lack of personell? I don't care. Find the problem and fix it! It starts at the top.

Champsturf wrote:Sorry ATX, but he HAS to touch it on EVERY play.

I know sucks right?

ATX_Skins wrote:

Champsturf wrote:Sorry ATX, but he HAS to touch it on EVERY play.

I know sucks right?

Absolutely. He did play well today though, just not as good as some think. More numbers that we'll hear about. Too bad it's not the number we need to hear about, 4-8 (Had he been able to MAKE a win happen, not a loss.)

I have no problem with saying that the INT by JC was awful. The ball should have never been even thrown to that side of the field but then again, we have a hell of a better view looking overhead then what he has on the field. there was an open area in zone coverage on the left. I think it was Moss or Thomas on that side of the field and had he ran the route and squat in that zone, it would've been and easy first down.

This is not the reason we lost the game. How the defense let them march down the field three possessions in a row almost unstopped to score is beyond me. The offense overall did their part. Hell, we scored 30 offensive points - none by the defense. Can't complain about the offense today except I would have loved to have the INT in the 1st half. That's it.

frankcal20 wrote:I have no problem with saying that the INT by JC was awful. The ball should have never been even thrown to that side of the field but then again, we have a hell of a better view looking overhead then what he has on the field. there was an open area in zone coverage on the left. I think it was Moss or Thomas on that side of the field and had he ran the route and squat in that zone, it would've been and easy first down.

This is not the reason we lost the game. How the defense let them march down the field three possessions in a row almost unstopped to score is beyond me. The offense overall did their part. Hell, we scored 30 offensive points - none by the defense. Can't complain about the offense today except I would have loved to have the INT in the 1st half. That's it.

I agree with almost all of this Frank..like 98% of it. I agree that the offense did it's job by scoring 30...Kudos. That's why I lay more of the blame on the play calling on the missed FG.

As far as letting NO score on 3 drives, ummm..have you seen them at all this year? They are a POWERHOUSE on offense. To even be in this game was a miracle, thanks to BOTH sides of the ball. Landry showed, yet again, the reason he is a SS, not FS. He just doesn't have the smarts for it, ala #21.

You expect our defense to score? Who is going to do that? Hall was the only threat to score and he didn't play. Did their D score? Something tells me that that don't EXPECT them to score, it's just an added bonus.

Oh, and you got your 1st half INT, just a TO for 6. Unlucky.

Champsturf wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

Champsturf wrote:Sorry ATX, but he HAS to touch it on EVERY play.

I know sucks right?

Absolutely. He did play well today though, just not as good as some think. More numbers that we'll hear about. Too bad it's not the number we need to hear about, 4-8 (Had he been able to MAKE a win happen, not a loss.)

If only more fans could understand this simple concept.