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Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I am not saying I'd be happier if we'd gone for it and lost, just less frustrated.

That might be exactly Zorn's argument. Would Zorn withstand frustration for not being agressive enough rather than face the rage and anger of the fans for an inexcusable loss?

He can manage boos and frustration by the fans. He can gain some time. BUT ... How would the Danny have reacted after a loss against the "lowly" Rams? Would that be in his mind, I wonder ...

I can see that argument if we're discussing one particular play, but my point was how the whole game was called. If we hadn't been so timid throughout the game, I think we had the talent over the Rams to pull away and then we wouldn't be unhappy or frustrated. How in our THIRD trip inside the 10 yard line do we still not call a pass play when the same strategy crashed and burned already twice? The fourth I understood, they had no time outs and we didn't want to stop the clock. But the first three became increasingly frustrating as we had no success at all running there and refused to try anything else.

I haven't been on in a while, been traveling a bunch. I wanted to throw my thoughts out there regarding the booing. I've read all the previous posts, and I believe that valid points are being made all across the board.

However, I have a thought about the booing. I think that SOME of the booing is connected in a lot of ways to how our society has become. Instant gratification. The fan base is made of of many different personalities, and there are many more fans that are not "old school". Those fans, the "Me Gotta Have It Now" type or the "point and Click" type as I like to call them, are most likely frustrated at not getting their "Instant Gratification". So they Boo.
Other fans that probably Boo could be suffering severe Economic conditions, and shelling out big bucks to see what they perceive as an inferior product makes them want to boo as well.

The true, die-hard fan needs to support the team, no matter what. Shelling them with Boos will not energize them to play better; if anything, it is demoralizing.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:But who can deny that the fans, at large, are part of the problem?)

please explain.

One can think that fans shouting their boos is going to help or hurt the team. I think it hurts the team because it contributes only negativity to the environment. People will justify it however they want, though, as we've clearly seen here time and time again. But I've never understood why people think booing your team in the middle of a competitive game seems like it would help anything.

I completely agree with you. I made the statement a couple years ago after attending a Bears game. Our fans are part of the problem. The Steelers game was further proof last year. Yesterday was just another example.

The Dancing Bear wrote:I haven't been on in a while, been traveling a bunch. I wanted to throw my thoughts out there regarding the booing. I've read all the previous posts, and I believe that valid points are being made all across the board.

However, I have a thought about the booing. I think that SOME of the booing is connected in a lot of ways to how our society has become. Instant gratification. The fan base is made of of many different personalities, and there are many more fans that are not "old school". Those fans, the "Me Gotta Have It Now" type or the "point and Click" type as I like to call them, are most likely frustrated at not getting their "Instant Gratification". So they Boo.
Other fans that probably Boo could be suffering severe Economic conditions, and shelling out big bucks to see what they perceive as an inferior product makes them want to boo as well.

The true, die-hard fan needs to support the team, no matter what. Shelling them with Boos will not energize them to play better; if anything, it is demoralizing.

So it is proposed that you cheer when:
your playcalling is so predictable that even the Rams, who were shut out last week, stay in the game until the waning moments of the game?

the talent is out there, but the playcalling WON'T use it to its fullest extent...how do you 'support' that?

Do you support 3 run plays with 8-9 in the box? Are YOU going to cheer when they won't even attempt a fade, but rather a 1/2 back option? I sure as hell am not. I love the Redskins, but I do not support boneheaded playcalling.



I wasn't booing the players. I really wasn't even booing Zorn, but I was booing the pathetic playcalling that was yesterday's eeked out win.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

The Dancing Bear wrote:I haven't been on in a while, been traveling a bunch. I wanted to throw my thoughts out there regarding the booing. I've read all the previous posts, and I believe that valid points are being made all across the board.

However, I have a thought about the booing. I think that SOME of the booing is connected in a lot of ways to how our society has become. Instant gratification. The fan base is made of of many different personalities, and there are many more fans that are not "old school". Those fans, the "Me Gotta Have It Now" type or the "point and Click" type as I like to call them, are most likely frustrated at not getting their "Instant Gratification". So they Boo.
Other fans that probably Boo could be suffering severe Economic conditions, and shelling out big bucks to see what they perceive as an inferior product makes them want to boo as well.

The true, die-hard fan needs to support the team, no matter what. Shelling them with Boos will not energize them to play better; if anything, it is demoralizing.

So it is proposed that you cheer when:
your playcalling is so predictable that even the Rams, who were shut out last week, stay in the game until the waning moments of the game?

the talent is out there, but the playcalling WON'T use it to its fullest extent...how do you 'support' that?

Do you support 3 run plays with 8-9 in the box? Are YOU going to cheer when they won't even attempt a fade, but rather a 1/2 back option? I sure as hell am not. I love the Redskins, but I do not support boneheaded playcalling.



I wasn't booing the players. I really wasn't even booing Zorn, but I was booing the pathetic playcalling that was yesterday's eeked out win.

Ummm...just don't cheer...

VetSkinsFan wrote:

The Dancing Bear wrote:I haven't been on in a while, been traveling a bunch. I wanted to throw my thoughts out there regarding the booing. I've read all the previous posts, and I believe that valid points are being made all across the board.

However, I have a thought about the booing. I think that SOME of the booing is connected in a lot of ways to how our society has become. Instant gratification. The fan base is made of of many different personalities, and there are many more fans that are not "old school". Those fans, the "Me Gotta Have It Now" type or the "point and Click" type as I like to call them, are most likely frustrated at not getting their "Instant Gratification". So they Boo.
Other fans that probably Boo could be suffering severe Economic conditions, and shelling out big bucks to see what they perceive as an inferior product makes them want to boo as well.

The true, die-hard fan needs to support the team, no matter what. Shelling them with Boos will not energize them to play better; if anything, it is demoralizing.

So it is proposed that you cheer when:
your playcalling is so predictable that even the Rams, who were shut out last week, stay in the game until the waning moments of the game?

the talent is out there, but the playcalling WON'T use it to its fullest extent...how do you 'support' that?

Do you support 3 run plays with 8-9 in the box? Are YOU going to cheer when they won't even attempt a fade, but rather a 1/2 back option? I sure as hell am not. I love the Redskins, but I do not support boneheaded playcalling.



I wasn't booing the players. I really wasn't even booing Zorn, but I was booing the pathetic playcalling that was yesterday's eeked out win.

I agree Vet. If Zorn doesn't trust Campbell enough to let him make a play in the redzone then he needs a new quarterback. 15 runs and 4 passes in the redzone when the run just wasn't working is pitiful (one of the pass plays was a shovel). We have a team that can win by more than two points if the game is called better. Its sickening to sit there and now that they are going to run and not even attempt a pass to cooley or kelly. To top it all of people paid $200+ dollars on a game that was less exciting than a soccer match.

DEHog wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

The Dancing Bear wrote:I haven't been on in a while, been traveling a bunch. I wanted to throw my thoughts out there regarding the booing. I've read all the previous posts, and I believe that valid points are being made all across the board.

However, I have a thought about the booing. I think that SOME of the booing is connected in a lot of ways to how our society has become. Instant gratification. The fan base is made of of many different personalities, and there are many more fans that are not "old school". Those fans, the "Me Gotta Have It Now" type or the "point and Click" type as I like to call them, are most likely frustrated at not getting their "Instant Gratification". So they Boo.
Other fans that probably Boo could be suffering severe Economic conditions, and shelling out big bucks to see what they perceive as an inferior product makes them want to boo as well.

The true, die-hard fan needs to support the team, no matter what. Shelling them with Boos will not energize them to play better; if anything, it is demoralizing.

So it is proposed that you cheer when:
your playcalling is so predictable that even the Rams, who were shut out last week, stay in the game until the waning moments of the game?

the talent is out there, but the playcalling WON'T use it to its fullest extent...how do you 'support' that?

Do you support 3 run plays with 8-9 in the box? Are YOU going to cheer when they won't even attempt a fade, but rather a 1/2 back option? I sure as hell am not. I love the Redskins, but I do not support boneheaded playcalling.



I wasn't booing the players. I really wasn't even booing Zorn, but I was booing the pathetic playcalling that was yesterday's eeked out win.

Ummm...just don't cheer...

But if you don't cheer, that mean's your not showing support for your team, right?

I still don't get why we can show positive reactions, but not negative. It's not a one way street.

Something irritates me about grown men crying about being booed. Regardless if its right or wrong, step ur game up and it'll stop.

Cappster wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

The Dancing Bear wrote:I haven't been on in a while, been traveling a bunch. I wanted to throw my thoughts out there regarding the booing. I've read all the previous posts, and I believe that valid points are being made all across the board.

However, I have a thought about the booing. I think that SOME of the booing is connected in a lot of ways to how our society has become. Instant gratification. The fan base is made of of many different personalities, and there are many more fans that are not "old school". Those fans, the "Me Gotta Have It Now" type or the "point and Click" type as I like to call them, are most likely frustrated at not getting their "Instant Gratification". So they Boo.
Other fans that probably Boo could be suffering severe Economic conditions, and shelling out big bucks to see what they perceive as an inferior product makes them want to boo as well.

The true, die-hard fan needs to support the team, no matter what. Shelling them with Boos will not energize them to play better; if anything, it is demoralizing.

So it is proposed that you cheer when:
your playcalling is so predictable that even the Rams, who were shut out last week, stay in the game until the waning moments of the game?

the talent is out there, but the playcalling WON'T use it to its fullest extent...how do you 'support' that?

Do you support 3 run plays with 8-9 in the box? Are YOU going to cheer when they won't even attempt a fade, but rather a 1/2 back option? I sure as hell am not. I love the Redskins, but I do not support boneheaded playcalling.



I wasn't booing the players. I really wasn't even booing Zorn, but I was booing the pathetic playcalling that was yesterday's eeked out win.

I agree Vet. If Zorn doesn't trust Campbell enough to let him make a play in the redzone then he needs a new quarterback. 15 runs and 4 passes in the redzone when the run just wasn't working is pitiful (one of the pass plays was a shovel). We have a team that can win by more than two points if the game is called better. Its sickening to sit there and now that they are going to run and not even attempt a pass to cooley or kelly. To top it all of people paid $200+ dollars on a game that was less exciting than a soccer match.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again…if you come to FedEx expecting to see the Redskins destroy another team…don’t come. I chose to spend my entertainment dollar on the NFL because I find it to be the best entertainment out there. I pay money to see my favorite team play…and I’ve yet to see that not happen. Do you guys boo at the movie theater when you go to see your favorite actor and he/she is horrible??

DEHog wrote: Do you guys boo at the movie theater when you go to see your favorite actor and he/she is horrible??

I've seen people boo at the movies. Most of the time it's grumbling and murmuring that you hear. People voice their displeasure.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

DEHog wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

The Dancing Bear wrote:I haven't been on in a while, been traveling a bunch. I wanted to throw my thoughts out there regarding the booing. I've read all the previous posts, and I believe that valid points are being made all across the board.

However, I have a thought about the booing. I think that SOME of the booing is connected in a lot of ways to how our society has become. Instant gratification. The fan base is made of of many different personalities, and there are many more fans that are not "old school". Those fans, the "Me Gotta Have It Now" type or the "point and Click" type as I like to call them, are most likely frustrated at not getting their "Instant Gratification". So they Boo.
Other fans that probably Boo could be suffering severe Economic conditions, and shelling out big bucks to see what they perceive as an inferior product makes them want to boo as well.

The true, die-hard fan needs to support the team, no matter what. Shelling them with Boos will not energize them to play better; if anything, it is demoralizing.

So it is proposed that you cheer when:
your playcalling is so predictable that even the Rams, who were shut out last week, stay in the game until the waning moments of the game?

the talent is out there, but the playcalling WON'T use it to its fullest extent...how do you 'support' that?

Do you support 3 run plays with 8-9 in the box? Are YOU going to cheer when they won't even attempt a fade, but rather a 1/2 back option? I sure as hell am not. I love the Redskins, but I do not support boneheaded playcalling.



I wasn't booing the players. I really wasn't even booing Zorn, but I was booing the pathetic playcalling that was yesterday's eeked out win.

Ummm...just don't cheer...

But if you don't cheer, that mean's your not showing support for your team, right?

I still don't get why we can show positive reactions, but not negative. It's not a one way street.

Agree 100%.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I am not saying I'd be happier if we'd gone for it and lost, just less frustrated.

That might be exactly Zorn's argument. Would Zorn withstand frustration for not being agressive enough rather than face the rage and anger of the fans for an inexcusable loss?

He can manage boos and frustration by the fans. He can gain some time. BUT ... How would the Danny have reacted after a loss against the "lowly" Rams? Would that be in his mind, I wonder ...

I can see that argument if we're discussing one particular play, but my point was how the whole game was called. If we hadn't been so timid throughout the game, I think we had the talent over the Rams to pull away and then we wouldn't be unhappy or frustrated. How in our THIRD trip inside the 10 yard line do we still not call a pass play when the same strategy crashed and burned already twice? The fourth I understood, they had no time outs and we didn't want to stop the clock. But the first three became increasingly frustrating as we had no success at all running there and refused to try anything else.

I am not arguing, nor condoning the play calling. It was awful. I think To put it simply: Zorn will be gone.

I am only trying to understand his logic. He does not want JC to lose the game for him. The problem is ...

... he is also preventing him from winning it for him and all of us.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

DEHog wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

The Dancing Bear wrote:I haven't been on in a while, been traveling a bunch. I wanted to throw my thoughts out there regarding the booing. I've read all the previous posts, and I believe that valid points are being made all across the board.

However, I have a thought about the booing. I think that SOME of the booing is connected in a lot of ways to how our society has become. Instant gratification. The fan base is made of of many different personalities, and there are many more fans that are not "old school". Those fans, the "Me Gotta Have It Now" type or the "point and Click" type as I like to call them, are most likely frustrated at not getting their "Instant Gratification". So they Boo.
Other fans that probably Boo could be suffering severe Economic conditions, and shelling out big bucks to see what they perceive as an inferior product makes them want to boo as well.

The true, die-hard fan needs to support the team, no matter what. Shelling them with Boos will not energize them to play better; if anything, it is demoralizing.

So it is proposed that you cheer when:
your playcalling is so predictable that even the Rams, who were shut out last week, stay in the game until the waning moments of the game?

the talent is out there, but the playcalling WON'T use it to its fullest extent...how do you 'support' that?

Do you support 3 run plays with 8-9 in the box? Are YOU going to cheer when they won't even attempt a fade, but rather a 1/2 back option? I sure as hell am not. I love the Redskins, but I do not support boneheaded playcalling.



I wasn't booing the players. I really wasn't even booing Zorn, but I was booing the pathetic playcalling that was yesterday's eeked out win.

Ummm...just don't cheer...

But if you don't cheer, that mean's your not showing support for your team, right?

I still don't get why we can show positive reactions, but not negative. It's not a one way street.

Why would I cheer a bad play?? I get that you pay your money and you have a right to boo...I just think it helps the other team. Believe me when I say I voice my displeasure with fans around me...I want to send my Resume to Zorn today asking if I could be the time management coach....

DEHog wrote:Why would I cheer a bad play?? I get that you pay your money and you have a right to boo...I just think it helps the other team. Believe me when I say I voice my displeasure with fans around me...I want to send my Resume to Zorn today asking if I could be the time management coach....

I understand what you're saying... Yesterday people weren't booing one play...they were booing the same miserable offense from 2008. They were booing the same horrific end result that we've seen for years now. They were fed up and it came out as boo's.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

DEHog wrote:Why would I cheer a bad play?? I get that you pay your money and you have a right to boo...I just think it helps the other team. Believe me when I say I voice my displeasure with fans around me...I want to send my Resume to Zorn today asking if I could be the time management coach....

I understand what you're saying... Yesterday people weren't booing one play...they were booing the same miserable offense from 2008. They were booing the same horrific end result that we've seen for years now. They were fed up and it came out as boo's.

I wondered about that Chris and you may be right...but they booed when Jason ran the vicotry formation(took a knee)...I was thinking they wanted Zorn to go for a TD???

VetSkinsFan wrote:I wasn't booing the players. I really wasn't even booing Zorn, but I was booing the pathetic playcalling that was yesterday's eeked out win.

Nobody can deny your RIGHT to express your emotions. You paid your hard-earned money. You expect and deserve a good effort.

I only have a couple of questions:

How are the players supposed to know what the booing is specifically aimed at?

If the Skins cannot count on us, the hard core fans, then who?

They already have a whole bunch of Club seats sold to wealthy attendants, not necessarily fans. The Skins rely on us to support them.

But I must be equally frank and hones with you:

I also BLAME myself. I already voted with my feet. I am not supporting the Team on the Stadium the way you are. You have decided to make sacrifices of time, money and other to support them. I have not.

So, I have no right to tell you what should or not should be done. You are already a better fan than me. I am not particularly proud about it but my absence from FedEx is the ONLY way I have to show my unhappiness and displeasure against the way the team is being run.

It is MY way of booing if you wish.

Peace brother.

DEHog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

DEHog wrote:Why would I cheer a bad play?? I get that you pay your money and you have a right to boo...I just think it helps the other team. Believe me when I say I voice my displeasure with fans around me...I want to send my Resume to Zorn today asking if I could be the time management coach....

I understand what you're saying... Yesterday people weren't booing one play...they were booing the same miserable offense from 2008. They were booing the same horrific end result that we've seen for years now. They were fed up and it came out as boo's.

I wondered about that Chris and you may be right...but they booed when Jason ran the vicotry formation(took a knee)...I was thinking they wanted Zorn to go for a TD???

I think that it was a combination of both. Listening to sports radio in DC this morning, fans are just fed up with the same old mediocre football that we see year in and year out.

DEHog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

DEHog wrote:Why would I cheer a bad play?? I get that you pay your money and you have a right to boo...I just think it helps the other team. Believe me when I say I voice my displeasure with fans around me...I want to send my Resume to Zorn today asking if I could be the time management coach....

I understand what you're saying... Yesterday people weren't booing one play...they were booing the same miserable offense from 2008. They were booing the same horrific end result that we've seen for years now. They were fed up and it came out as boo's.

I wondered about that Chris and you may be right...but they booed when Jason ran the vicotry formation(took a knee)...I was thinking they wanted Zorn to go for a TD???

First of all I was not there but I think the booing at the end was just an expression of frustration and disapointment - frustrating that we did not dominate and demonstrate that we are a better team than we looked and disapointed in how the team played but more likely because how the game was managed by the coaches and to a lessor extent the players execution

just my take




I would never boo my team - and Ive been plenty frustrated by what we have seen from the players and coaches the last few seasons

DEHog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

DEHog wrote:Why would I cheer a bad play?? I get that you pay your money and you have a right to boo...I just think it helps the other team. Believe me when I say I voice my displeasure with fans around me...I want to send my Resume to Zorn today asking if I could be the time management coach....

I understand what you're saying... Yesterday people weren't booing one play...they were booing the same miserable offense from 2008. They were booing the same horrific end result that we've seen for years now. They were fed up and it came out as boo's.

I wondered about that Chris and you may be right...but they booed when Jason ran the vicotry formation(took a knee)...I was thinking they wanted Zorn to go for a TD???

THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY BOOED. It came off horribly through my TV screen. It was like they were running off the field before they could manage to muck things up more.

Tired of it.

I guess my problem is that this team is doing about what I expected it to do…what is it that makes anyone think that this team was going to blowout the Rams??

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Something irritates me about grown men crying about being booed. Regardless if its right or wrong, step ur game up and it'll stop.

Who cried about it? I ey called it "unnecessary" which clearly isn't crying. Can you show me a quote for that?

Redskin in Canada wrote:I am not arguing, nor condoning the play calling. It was awful. I think To put it simply: Zorn will be gone.

I am only trying to understand his logic. He does not want JC to lose the game for him. The problem is ...

... he is also preventing him from winning it for him and all of us.

I agree, calling plays like that prevents us from having a chance against good teams and keeps bad teams in the game. No matter what he thinks of or how much he trusts JC, keeping him from TRYING isn't going to accomplish anything. And again JC being so frightened about making a mistake he throws third down bombs out of bounds against the RAMS is the same, fear oh fear...

dont want to get booed....

play better


this team has been at the bottom (or close to it) in the NFC and the NFL for almost 20 YEARS

fans are starting to get sick, 20 YEARS of bad football, shocked it took this long

CanesSkins26 wrote:Listening to sports radio in DC this morning, fans are just fed up with the same old mediocre football that we see year in and year out.

Those are the fair weather fans who deserve what they get. They want to win, not really interested in the real fun, getting caught up in what we're doing and why, what we try, what worked and what didn't. The experience is the entertainment. Those who just care if we win or not know nothing and contribute nothing and they are probably most of the booers.

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:shocked it took this long

Apparently you just started paying attention because it didn't.