Is this JC's last year as a Redskin?

[Deadskins]

JC has shown statistical improvement in each season he's been with the team. I see no reason to think that will stop this year. That being said, he was better at the beginning of last season than at the end, though there are many excuses for that.

Keep in mind I've defended JC until now, and even now I'm not calling for him to be traded, cut or even benched, I'm just expressing serious skepticism for the first time that he is our answer. I'm predicting for the first time that he's not going to make it and after this year one way or another we dump him.

So in that context, that he's "improved" every year isn't enough. The problem is he's improving too slowly. And even more then that is that his biggest weaknesses don't seem to be improving. He holds the ball too long and doesn't avoid sacks. His downfield throw is horrible and he's not improving at all in terms of the basic ability to lay a ball out a receiver can run under instead of hitting him on a dime 40 yards downfield, which no QB can do consistently.

I'm also tired of his inability to throw catchable balls to wide open receivers. How often has Moss made beautiful toe dragging catches on the sidelines, with the issue being that he was WIDE open and could have run for 10 or 20 yards if JC could just throw him the ball. He just flat out misses open receivers running routes on the field and throws uncatchable balls at their feet when again they are wide open.

I'm tired of it. Even early he was making those mistakes. I'm willing to blame the line for the deterioration of his stats later in the season, but I saw no improvement on his part when he did have the chance.

And I agree with everything you wrote here, except that I stopped defending him after the Bengals game last year.

[SkinsJock]

After the first few games last year, I think it was fairly obvious to some of us that while we had a decent record, Campbell just did not look like a really good NFL QB - IMO he does not recognize what he is going to get from the defense and he takes way too long to execute the plays - the best thing about him is he's the best we've got right now

Campbell is hopefully going to have a great season and we will need him to help get us through the time it is going to take to get a good QB in here

[Champsturf]

After the first few games last year, I think it was fairly obvious to some of us that while we had a decent record, Campbell just did not look like a really good NFL QB - IMO he does not recognize what he is going to get from the defense and he takes way too long to execute the plays - the best thing about him is he's the best we've got right now

Campbell is hopefully going to have a great season and we will need him to help get us through the time it is going to take to get a good QB in here

This is sooooooo true! I agree completely!

[frankcal20]

After the first few games last year, I think it was fairly obvious to some of us that while we had a decent record, Campbell just did not look like a really good NFL QB - IMO he does not recognize what he is going to get from the defense and he takes way too long to execute the plays - the best thing about him is he's the best we've got right now

Campbell is hopefully going to have a great season and we will need him to help get us through the time it is going to take to get a good QB in here

:lol: This is sooooooo true! I agree completely!

HE WAS IN A NEW SYSTEM......

That is a 100% factor. Look at Favre last year. He stunk it up - before the injury. Campbell did not know the offense. He's even said he didn't but he said that he knows it this year and no one can make any excuses for him if he doesn't do anything this year. I don't expect him to blow it up, but I do expect him to make plays vs expecting others to make all the plays.

[CanesSkins26]

That is a 100% factor. Look at Favre last year. He stunk it up - before the injury.

Favre was awesome for about 3/4's of the season last year.

[Champsturf]

After the first few games last year, I think it was fairly obvious to some of us that while we had a decent record, Campbell just did not look like a really good NFL QB - IMO he does not recognize what he is going to get from the defense and he takes way too long to execute the plays - the best thing about him is he's the best we've got right now

Campbell is hopefully going to have a great season and we will need him to help get us through the time it is going to take to get a good QB in here

This is sooooooo true! I agree completely!

HE WAS IN A NEW SYSTEM......

That is a 100% factor. Look at Favre last year. He stunk it up - before the injury. Campbell did not know the offense. He's even said he didn't but he said that he knows it this year and no one can make any excuses for him if he doesn't do anything this year. I don't expect him to blow it up, but I do expect him to make plays vs expecting others to make all the plays.

100% factor for Campbell? If my memory serves me right, he's already played in about every system going. As for Favre stinkingi it up? Are you serious? Dude played ina TOTALLY new system to what he had been playing for about 18 years...they WERE making the playoffs until he got hurt.
Stay off the crack pipe.

[SkinsJock]

After the first few games last year, I think it was fairly obvious to some of us that while we had a decent record, Campbell just did not look like a really good NFL QB - IMO he does not recognize what he is going to get from the defense and he takes way too long to execute the plays - the best thing about him is he's the best we've got right now
Campbell is hopefully going to have a great season and we will need him to help get us through the time it is going to take to get a good QB in here

This is sooooooo true! I agree completely!

HE WAS IN A NEW SYSTEM...... That is a 100% factor... Campbell did not know the offense. He's even said he didn't but he said that he knows it this year and no one can make any excuses for him if he doesn't do anything this year. I don't expect him to blow it up, but I do expect him to make plays vs expecting others to make all the plays.

I understand the support - I hope he has a great season - I think he might! The only problem I have is that I doubt that he is going to be a QB that can be as good as we need Fact is that there will be a lot of other issues that have to be right for him to have a very good year and I doubt that all of those are going to happen - I just have not seen ANY evidence over the past 2 years that he's going to be able to lift the offense when the other parts of the offense are not playing as well

we need to see:
much improved play calling from Zorn

much improved receiving from Kelly or Thomas

much improved blocking from the offensive line

much improved QB play and leadership from Campbell

ALL of those might happen but I just do not see that, sorry

I think we will be better than we were but I do not see us as being that much better that we can win the NFC East OR that much better that we can make the playoffs - and that is what it might take for Zorn to keep his job with all the other coaches out there

[SnyderSucks]

Did you see Brady last night? 4-8? Are you kidding me? Clearly he has lost the ability to play. He was completely ineffective all of last season. I don't want to hear any excuses about a knee injury. He looked slow and indecisive. If Belicheat says that Brady is looking great in practice, clearly he is lying. When are they going to come to their senses and start playing Hoyer? Hoyer has looked fantastic against the third team defense in preseason - he's obviously the second coming of Joe Montana.

[KazooSkinsFan]

HE WAS IN A NEW SYSTEM......

That is a 100% factor. Look at Favre last year. He stunk it up - before the injury. Campbell did not know the offense. He's even said he didn't but he said that he knows it this year and no one can make any excuses for him if he doesn't do anything this year. I don't expect him to blow it up, but I do expect him to make plays vs expecting others to make all the plays.

It doesn't explain the endless inability to hit open receivers. The system is about getting them open. Throwing a ball to a receiver who is open is mechanics and his inability to throw a catchable ball to a guy already open has nothing to do with the system. The system won't teach him to loft a deep ball, not force an open receiver on the sideline to make a toe dragging out of bounds catch when there is open field ahead of them to run or not drill it into the ground in front of an of an open receiver in the middle of the field.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I understand the support - I hope he has a great season - I think he might! The only problem I have is that I doubt that he is going to be a QB that can be as good as we need Fact is that there will be a lot of other issues that have to be right for him to have a very good year and I doubt that all of those are going to happen - I just have not seen ANY evidence over the past 2 years that he's going to be able to lift the offense when the other parts of the offense are not playing as well

we need to see:
much improved play calling from Zorn

much improved receiving from Kelly or Thomas

much improved blocking from the offensive line

much improved QB play and leadership from Campbell

ALL of those might happen but I just do not see that, sorry

I think we will be better than we were but I do not see us as being that much better that we can win the NFC East OR that much better that we can make the playoffs - and that is what it might take for Zorn to keep his job with all the other coaches out there

I generally agree with your comments on the O, Jock. But what you're missing is that if our upgraded and already good D plays better and puts more pressure on the QB and as you predict the O is just a little better, then we do in fact make the playoffs.

[SkinsJock]

I agree that we should make the playoffs with what should be a very good defense and even a slightly improved offense - my concern is that we have not seen very much from Campbell over the past 2 years that would indicate that he can help the offense be a better scoring offense.
Some have pointed out the point differential last year as not being that great - IMHO that is mostly because the teams we lost to did not need to score any more points because we were not very effective putting points on the board

I hope that Campbell can help this be more effective and he's certainly going to get the chance but I just am concerned with our QB options this year

[SnyderSucks]

I agree that we should make the playoffs with what should be a very good defense and even a slightly improved offense - my concern is that we have not seen very much from Campbell over the past 2 years that would indicate that he can help the offense be a better scoring offense.
Some have pointed out the point differential last year as not being that great - IMHO that is mostly because the teams we lost to did not need to score any more points because we were not very effective putting points on the board

I hope that Campbell can help this be more effective and he's certainly going to get the chance but I just am concerned with our QB options this year

Nobody's calling Campbell perfect, but of the list of problems with the offense last year, he's no where near the top. Despite all the gnashing of teeth here, Campbell's numbers were as good or better than Favre, Roethlisberger, Collins, and Flacco last season. Get improved play from the O-line, a real starting #2 receiver, and a healthy season from Portis and the offense will be much improved. And a second season in the offense does make a difference, and a third makes even a larger difference. That's not my opinion, but the opinion of people like Donovan McNabb and Andy Reid, who know a little about the WCO.

[VetSkinsFan]

I agree that we should make the playoffs with what should be a very good defense and even a slightly improved offense - my concern is that we have not seen very much from Campbell over the past 2 years that would indicate that he can help the offense be a better scoring offense.
Some have pointed out the point differential last year as not being that great - IMHO that is mostly because the teams we lost to did not need to score any more points because we were not very effective putting points on the board

I hope that Campbell can help this be more effective and he's certainly going to get the chance but I just am concerned with our QB options this year

Nobody's calling Campbell perfect, but of the list of problems with the offense last year, he's no where near the top. Despite all the gnashing of teeth here, Campbell's numbers were as good or better than Favre, Roethlisberger, Collins, and Flacco last season. Get improved play from the O-line, a real starting #2 receiver, and a healthy season from Portis and the offense will be much improved. And a second season in the offense does make a difference, and a third makes even a larger difference. That's not my opinion, but the opinion of people like Donovan McNabb and Andy Reid, who know a little about the WCO.

Is there room for more wait and see? I don't think so. If you can't make a definitive decision by this season's end, then do not renew the contract. With all of the variables you've mentioned, if you cannot say, "Wow, I see a difference," then you never will. I believe that he's a more vertical QB than a WCO QB like we have him now.

I hope he succeeds, somewhere if not here, but I personally haven't seen enough progression from him for me to be sold on him. This is his 3rd year starting. There should at least be some adaptation to the speed of the game that I am not comfortable with in the least. I've read the stats and all the arguments, and I don't see the progression in the RESULTS when the clock says 0:00...

[KazooSkinsFan]

Despite all the gnashing of teeth here, Campbell's numbers were as good or better than Favre, Roethlisberger, Collins, and Flacco last season

His numbers are skewed by that he moved the ball between the 20s and then was shut down as he approached the Red Zone. Our D also kept getting him the ball back and he'd get more chances to do a couple first downs (padding his stats) and punt or try for a field goal. He wasn't even close when it came to scoring TDs.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Is there room for more wait and see? I don't think so. If you can't make a definitive decision by this season's end, then do not renew the contract. With all of the variables you've mentioned, if you cannot say, "Wow, I see a difference," then you never will. I believe that he's a more vertical QB than a WCO QB like we have him now.

I hope he succeeds, somewhere if not here, but I personally haven't seen enough progression from him for me to be sold on him. This is his 3rd year starting. There should at least be some adaptation to the speed of the game that I am not comfortable with in the least. I've read the stats and all the arguments, and I don't see the progression in the RESULTS when the clock says 0:00...

Bam! That's the right assessment. I just keep hearing the FO is mean for exploring options and keep asking WTF!?!!?! Are these people paying attention? The time is now for him to show serious improvement. If he's completing throws (for a change) any NFL caliber quarterback should be able to complete and starting to learn to throw a deep ball and making faster decisions, I'm behind him even if the line blows and he still only has Moss and ey to throw to. But he hasn't been doing any of that consistently well and all the excuses in the world won't change that.

He may not have been put in a position last year to win games with all the other problems. But he certainly had chances to show what he could do if he did have the chances, and the results were not good. Drilling the ball into the ground in front of the receivers and the toe drag catches because he couldn't just throw it to an open receiver were obviously the most frustrating to me. In the end with us though his horrible downfield throw is going to be his undoing if he refuses to even start to learn to lay out a pass because he won't be able to spread the D, and Jason, we play a spread offense.

[Irn-Bru]

Did you see Brady last night? 4-8? Are you kidding me? Clearly he has lost the ability to play. He was completely ineffective all of last season. I don't want to hear any excuses about a knee injury. He looked slow and indecisive. If Belicheat says that Brady is looking great in practice, clearly he is lying. When are they going to come to their senses and start playing Hoyer? Hoyer has looked fantastic against the third team defense in preseason - he's obviously the second coming of Joe Montana.

[Countertrey]

I won't be comfortable until I see Campbell take over a game in the 4th quarter. I want to see him put the team on his shoulders, and, though force of will, move the team to a winning score with the clock running out. It is then that he will have become a quarterback.

Otherwise, he will remain just a reasonably good technician, with talent and some skills, but no heart.

[Deadskins]

Some have pointed out the point differential last year as not being that great - IMHO that is mostly because the teams we lost to did not need to score any more points because we were not very effective putting points on the board

And we lost eight games because our opponent scored more points than we did.

[Irn-Bru]

I won't be comfortable until I see Campbell take over a game in the 4th quarter. I want to see him put the team on his shoulders, and, though force of will, move the team to a winning score with the clock running out. It is then that he will have become a quarterback.

Otherwise, he will remain just a reasonably good technician, with talent and some skills, but no heart.

I agree completely. He's had his chances to do just that, too. . .including some big games (more than one against Dallas that I can recall). But he chokes, whether it's a drive stalling out or him throwing an INT in the end zone.

It's time for him to step into that role, take ownership of it, and run with it.

[SnyderSucks]

I won't be comfortable until I see Campbell take over a game in the 4th quarter. I want to see him put the team on his shoulders, and, though force of will, move the team to a winning score with the clock running out. It is then that he will have become a quarterback.

Otherwise, he will remain just a reasonably good technician, with talent and some skills, but no heart.

The list of QB's in the game who can do that is very short. QB's who can do that are hall of fame caliber QB's. John Elway is still remembered for one drive 20 years ago. I think Campbell is good enough to win with given a proper supporting cast, but will he suddenly transform a la Drew Brees? Probably not. As often as a Peyton Manning or Dan Marino wins a super bowl, so does a Mark Rypien or Eli Manning.

[CanesSkins26]

I won't be comfortable until I see Campbell take over a game in the 4th quarter. I want to see him put the team on his shoulders, and, though force of will, move the team to a winning score with the clock running out. It is then that he will have become a quarterback.

Otherwise, he will remain just a reasonably good technician, with talent and some skills, but no heart.

The list of QB's in the game who can do that is very short. QB's who can do that are hall of fame caliber QB's. John Elway is still remembered for one drive 20 years ago. I think Campbell is good enough to win with given a proper supporting cast, but will he suddenly transform a la Drew Brees? Probably not. As often as a Peyton Manning or Dan Marino wins a super bowl, so does a Mark Rypien or Eli Manning.

There's plenty of qb's in the NFL that have the ability to do just that....Brady, Peyton, Big Ben, Warner, Brees, Rivers, McNabb, etc.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I won't be comfortable until I see Campbell take over a game in the 4th quarter

The list of QB's in the game who can do that is very short

Totally disagree. He didn't say he needed to take over and deliver every game in the fourth quarter. A D dominated team doesn't need that. But he needs to help with the cause. Pull out some and show he's at least a threat to do it in the season and the playoffs. He asked for one, clearly indicating he could do it at times. That our choices are Elway or Schuler is silly.

[Deadskins]

To be fair, he did do it once, against New Orleans last year. But even that throw was not that great, and Moss had to slow up and catch it on his hip.

[Deadskins]

To be fair, he did do it once, against New Orleans last year. But even that throw was not that great, and Moss had to slow up and catch it on his hip.

[Countertrey]

As often as a Peyton Manning or Dan Marino wins a super bowl, so does a Mark Rypien or Eli Manning.

The point is, both Mark Rypien AND Eli Manning have demonstrated on multiple occasions that they could do exactly what I stated... put the team on their shoulders, and through the force of thier will, move the team.

In situations where the clock is running out, both of them demonstrated the ability to understand the importance of finding the open man WHO IS BEYOND THE FIRST DOWN MARKER. It is critical to understand that, when you are at 3rd and 10, a dump off to the running back who is STANDING (not running) 8 yards short of the first down IS NOT the correct choice. They did not always succeed... but they often did... the difference is, they took the chance. They gambled. A left handed back hand pass when cornered by a DE? That's a gamble. Force of will, baby. I have NEVER seen Jason roll the dice.

Sometimes, when the game is on the line, the quarterback must make something happen. If Rypien could do it, why not Campbell? Heck, Billy Kilmer did it plenty of times, and he had almost NO talent. He was pure force of will. YA Tittle. Joe Kapp. Craig Morton. Terry Bradshaw. Kenny Stabler. Even Jim Zorn!!! These were not gunslingers... they were brawlers. Every one of them was a marginal talent. Every one of them was tough as nails... and every one of them won games because they wanted it.