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Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Alright, Luva Luva, if that's your real name. Please show me where I'm wrong. So, Rinehart is in the running for the Tackle job? What is Rinehart's potential since you follow the team so closely?

You wasted that rest of your post because I stopped reading after this part.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Please show me where I'm wrong.

No, I'm not going to show you again. I picked your last post apart and quoted the wrong stuff. It appears that you have failed to follow what you and I were talking about. I said nothing about Rhinehart at tackle... YOU said that Williams was brought in to replace Rhinehart which is WRONG. Rhinehart is playing guard. Williams plays primarily T and can play a bit of G but wasn't successful at it.

So again, you're original assumptions were dead wrong and you wasted a lengthly post.

oh well, it's Friday AND it's May Day

there are some axioms I have learned in my stay here:

You don't step on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't fight with the ole Lone Ranger
and, you don't mess around with Chris ...... specially not this time of year

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:As far as potential goes...here's JLC's read on Rinehart from inside the Skins Front Office

Third-round pick Chad Rinehart is not seen as a capable player at this point, according to numerous sources involved in the meeting, and is not projected as being anywhere close to able to replace Pete Kendall or Randy Thomas at guard. Many coaches, including Bugel, worry about his confidence and ability, sources said. He is not being counted on to produce much in 2009, and if he did it would be a surprising development.

You can use JLC and his unnamed sources, or you can hear what Bugel himself has to say about it:

Chad Rinehart, the Redskins’ third-round draft pick last year, did not play as a rookie.

Bugel indicated that Rinehart showed signs of adjusting to the NFL game late in the season.

“I’m expecting a lot from him [in 2009],” Bugel said. “When we activated him toward the end of the season, the light bulb finally went on. The last 4-5 weeks of the season, he started perking up. He started realizing what the NFL is all about.

“He was coming from Northern Iowa and these college kids sometimes hit the wall in the NFL. With preseason, we play 20 games, and that’s twice what he played in college each year.”

Rinehart had to refine his technique and eliminate bad blocking habits before coaches feel comfortable putting him with the starting unit.

“He knows exactly what he needs to do to get ready for next year,” Bugel said.

Sounds a little different, doesn't it?

I will add that the offense should benefit from practicing against, what looks to me like, a pretty awsome defense each week - the defensive packages that Blache and company are going to be able to use should give all of our offensive lineman a decent workout each week.

I think it really helped Flacco (and Big Ben) last year in Baltimore (and Pittsburgh) and it should help Campbell and the guys up front to go up against a pretty good looking defense, each week - if we had any problems handling a rush before it looks like they are going to get a lot of opportunities to work on that aspect of their game this season

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:My comment was with respect to the desperation that is shown by the team when you sign a guy who has let his weight balloon to 450 lbs and hasn't played since 2005. This is borderline nuts.

Yeah, he certainly looks like a beached whale to me.

Deadskins wrote:Yeah, he certainly looks like a beached whale to me.

It just sounds like whining to me. So what if he weighed 700lbs, he won't be playing at the weight IF he makes it onto the field. The man is going to trim down to 370 by the start of camp, what does it matter for people to continue to harp on his weight?!?!

We have 2 guys that would have to go down before we even THOUGHT about using this guy. He has the entire year to fine tune his game and I envision him giving Heyer/Jansen a run next year for the starting position.

He's going to try to knock them out htis year and thats the type of attitude I like to hear, regardless if it's realistic or not.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Yeah, he certainly looks like a beached whale to me.

He's going to try to knock them out htis year and thats the type of attitude I like to hear, regardless if it's realistic or not.

Talk is cheap. The guy is a textbook underachiever. If you already have Rinehart and Williams making the team how many linemen do you think they'll keep who won't be able to help them this year?

Heyer's definitely going to make it and he's a solid back-up Tackle. They need a guy who can play both G and C, which is neither of these guys. Teams only keep 8-9 OL and we have a little flexibility with Alexander. I think there's still a couple more moves out there the Skins make to shore up there back-up situation with solid proven players...Kendall comes to mind.

PulpExposure wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:As far as potential goes...here's JLC's read on Rinehart from inside the Skins Front Office

Third-round pick Chad Rinehart is not seen as a capable player at this point, according to numerous sources involved in the meeting, and is not projected as being anywhere close to able to replace Pete Kendall or Randy Thomas at guard. Many coaches, including Bugel, worry about his confidence and ability, sources said. He is not being counted on to produce much in 2009, and if he did it would be a surprising development.

You can use JLC and his unnamed sources, or you can hear what Bugel himself has to say about it:

Chad Rinehart, the Redskins’ third-round draft pick last year, did not play as a rookie.

Bugel indicated that Rinehart showed signs of adjusting to the NFL game late in the season.

“I’m expecting a lot from him [in 2009],” Bugel said. “When we activated him toward the end of the season, the light bulb finally went on. The last 4-5 weeks of the season, he started perking up. He started realizing what the NFL is all about.

“He was coming from Northern Iowa and these college kids sometimes hit the wall in the NFL. With preseason, we play 20 games, and that’s twice what he played in college each year.”

Rinehart had to refine his technique and eliminate bad blocking habits before coaches feel comfortable putting him with the starting unit.

“He knows exactly what he needs to do to get ready for next year,” Bugel said.

Sounds a little different, doesn't it?

Yeah, that's why even on the Skins website they are already setting up the possibility of his release by saying that he and Devin Clark will be in a battle for the back-up Guard spot. This is called foreshadowing.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:As far as potential goes...here's JLC's read on Rinehart from inside the Skins Front Office

Third-round pick Chad Rinehart is not seen as a capable player at this point, according to numerous sources involved in the meeting, and is not projected as being anywhere close to able to replace Pete Kendall or Randy Thomas at guard. Many coaches, including Bugel, worry about his confidence and ability, sources said. He is not being counted on to produce much in 2009, and if he did it would be a surprising development.

You can use JLC and his unnamed sources, or you can hear what Bugel himself has to say about it:

Chad Rinehart, the Redskins’ third-round draft pick last year, did not play as a rookie.

Bugel indicated that Rinehart showed signs of adjusting to the NFL game late in the season.

“I’m expecting a lot from him [in 2009],” Bugel said. “When we activated him toward the end of the season, the light bulb finally went on. The last 4-5 weeks of the season, he started perking up. He started realizing what the NFL is all about.

“He was coming from Northern Iowa and these college kids sometimes hit the wall in the NFL. With preseason, we play 20 games, and that’s twice what he played in college each year.”

Rinehart had to refine his technique and eliminate bad blocking habits before coaches feel comfortable putting him with the starting unit.

“He knows exactly what he needs to do to get ready for next year,” Bugel said.

Sounds a little different, doesn't it?

Yeah, that's why even on the Skins website they are already setting up the possibility of his release by saying that he and Devin Clark will be in a battle for the back-up Guard spot. This is called foreshadowing.

Isn't there a backup LG and a backup RG spot? As in last year, Fabini was listed as the backup RG, and Rinehart as the backup LG.

Or now are they thinking one guy will backup both spots?

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Talk is cheap. The guy is a textbook underachiever. If you already have Rinehart and Williams making the team how many linemen do you think they'll keep who won't be able to help them this year?

Heyer's definitely going to make it and he's a solid back-up Tackle. They need a guy who can play both G and C, which is neither of these guys. Teams only keep 8-9 OL and we have a little flexibility with Alexander. I think there's still a couple more moves out there the Skins make to shore up there back-up situation with solid proven players...Kendall comes to mind.

They're going to keep Heyer, Williams, Rhinehart, the undrafted center from MD and Kendall if he decides to resign as he has yet to AFAIK.

We can save room by not carrying 3 TE's. Cut out yoder and carry 5 WR's instead of 6, good bye Mr. Thrash. Some of the rookie olinemen can be put on the practice squad or IR. There are ways of keeping people if they like them.

Alexander is NEVER going to be an offensive linemen. Most of his time is on defense and he doesn't nothing special on either line. You're talking about proven players and you mention Alexander?

Talk is cheap but you HAVE NOT even given the man a chance to compete and show what he's capable of. Its the 1st day of the season, lay off of him.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Talk is cheap. The guy is a textbook underachiever. If you already have Rinehart and Williams making the team how many linemen do you think they'll keep who won't be able to help them this year?

Heyer's definitely going to make it and he's a solid back-up Tackle. They need a guy who can play both G and C, which is neither of these guys. Teams only keep 8-9 OL and we have a little flexibility with Alexander. I think there's still a couple more moves out there the Skins make to shore up there back-up situation with solid proven players...Kendall comes to mind.

They're going to keep Heyer, Williams, Rhinehart, the undrafted center from MD and Kendall if he decides to resign as he has yet to AFAIK.

We can save room by not carrying 3 TE's. Cut out yoder and carry 5 WR's instead of 6, good bye Mr. Thrash. Some of the rookie olinemen can be put on the practice squad or IR. There are ways of keeping people if they like them.

Alexander is NEVER going to be an offensive linemen. Most of his time is on defense and he doesn't nothing special on either line. You're talking about proven players and you mention Alexander?

Talk is cheap but you HAVE NOT even given the man a chance to compete and show what he's capable of. Its the 1st day of the season, lay off of him.

Shush CLL. The sky is falling.

PulpExposure wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Talk is cheap. The guy is a textbook underachiever. If you already have Rinehart and Williams making the team how many linemen do you think they'll keep who won't be able to help them this year?

Heyer's definitely going to make it and he's a solid back-up Tackle. They need a guy who can play both G and C, which is neither of these guys. Teams only keep 8-9 OL and we have a little flexibility with Alexander. I think there's still a couple more moves out there the Skins make to shore up there back-up situation with solid proven players...Kendall comes to mind.

They're going to keep Heyer, Williams, Rhinehart, the undrafted center from MD and Kendall if he decides to resign as he has yet to AFAIK.

We can save room by not carrying 3 TE's. Cut out yoder and carry 5 WR's instead of 6, good bye Mr. Thrash. Some of the rookie olinemen can be put on the practice squad or IR. There are ways of keeping people if they like them.

Alexander is NEVER going to be an offensive linemen. Most of his time is on defense and he doesn't nothing special on either line. You're talking about proven players and you mention Alexander?

Talk is cheap but you HAVE NOT even given the man a chance to compete and show what he's capable of. Its the 1st day of the season, lay off of him.

Shush CLL. The sky is falling.

Never said the sky was falling. I like our line except for Jansen. Heyer is a decent back-up, and agree we will probably keep Edwin Williams from MD. It's just the RT position that doesn't make sense. I also don't think there's any way they keep 10 OL in the final roster and a Long Snapper. I also agree Alexander isn't an option on the OL either, my only point is it gives us a little roster flexibility to add another skilled position player, which has been the Skins preference in past years.

For cyrin' out loud guys.

I just read 9 pages of:

Jansen's coming back healthy, its gonna be great

naw dude, Jansen sucks and has for three years.

and on, and on, and on

There wasn't a guy in the draft or free agency at the right pick/price that was going to be head shoulders above Jansen/Heyer.

I got news for both sides...things are not gonna be great, nor are they gonna be awful. Jansen does look good, but he is not re-born. Not every spot can be a great player. Is it not enough the we have a salty vet, and young guy with promise that are both pissed and want the job. Isn't this what some of the more successfull franchises do...let camp decide a few of the spots. It's healthy, and its football.

as to all of arguing, I get it. I'm a fan, and I'm passionate about the skins, and get pissed when they don't do something that is staring them in the face...

But at some point you have to throw your hands up and say "I hope Buges and Zorn know what they are doing here"

Where's my Beer?...Wheres the remote?

Lets get ready to just watch the games...
do what fans do best...just pull for 'em to win
and just drink a few more if they don't

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Alright, Luva Luva, if that's your real name. Please show me where I'm wrong. So, Rinehart is in the running for the Tackle job? What is Rinehart's potential since you follow the team so closely?

You wasted that rest of your post because I stopped reading after this part.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Please show me where I'm wrong.

No, I'm not going to show you again. I picked your last post apart and quoted the wrong stuff. It appears that you have failed to follow what you and I were talking about. I said nothing about Rhinehart at tackle... YOU said that Williams was brought in to replace Rhinehart which is WRONG. Rhinehart is playing guard. Williams plays primarily T and can play a bit of G but wasn't successful at it.

So again, you're original assumptions were dead wrong and you wasted a lengthly post.

If you stopped reading after the first part then how is that you responded to the rest of the post appropriately??? How curious...

ArlingtonSkinsFan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Alright, Luva Luva, if that's your real name. Please show me where I'm wrong. So, Rinehart is in the running for the Tackle job? What is Rinehart's potential since you follow the team so closely?

You wasted that rest of your post because I stopped reading after this part.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Please show me where I'm wrong.

No, I'm not going to show you again. I picked your last post apart and quoted the wrong stuff. It appears that you have failed to follow what you and I were talking about. I said nothing about Rhinehart at tackle... YOU said that Williams was brought in to replace Rhinehart which is WRONG. Rhinehart is playing guard. Williams plays primarily T and can play a bit of G but wasn't successful at it.

So again, you're original assumptions were dead wrong and you wasted a lengthly post.

If you stopped reading after the first part then how is that you responded to the rest of the post appropriately??? How curious...

Two different posts. Pay attention!

dad23hogjrs wrote:For cyrin' out loud guys. I just read 9 pages of:

"Jansen's coming back healthy, its gonna be great"

"naw dude, Jansen sucks and has for three years."

and on, and on, and on

There wasn't a guy in the draft or free agency at the right pick/price that was going to be head shoulders above Jansen/Heyer.

I got news for both sides...things are not gonna be great, nor are they gonna be awful. Jansen does look good, but he is not re-born.
Not every spot can be a great player.
Is it not enough the we have a salty vet, and young guy with promise that are both pissed and want the job.
Isn't this what some of the more successfull franchises do...let camp decide a few of the spots.
It's healthy, and its football.

as to all of the arguing, I get it. I'm a fan, and I'm passionate about the skins, and get pissed when they don't do something that is staring them in the face

at some point you have to throw your hands up and say "I hope Buges and Zorn know what they are doing here"

Where's my Beer? ... Wheres the remote?

Lets get ready to just watch the games...
do what fans do best...just pull for 'em to win
and just drink a few more if they don't

get that man a beer - well said
I have a feeling you & I are going to be doing a bit of drinking this year, but what the hey

c'mon guys - this is the first day of workouts and too many of both the media and some fans here are over the top about things if you ask me. it is what it is and we will all need to be very patient - it is very early and even though we know that many are acting like we have to get ready to play next week

we need to hope that a lot of guys (AND Zorn) have very special seasons for this offense to be effective this year - but then, we all kind of accept that, don't we?







we are going to find out who was right about the Skins' offensive line - some here feel it is in critical need of both a long term plan to replace all 5 starters in the very near future and significant upgrading to be at all effective - while others (Skinsfan55 et al) feel that (the offensive line) are not that concerned about our offense this year and that the offense was, at best, the 3rd most important area to be addressed this off-season


I'm for trying anyone and everyone we even think has a prayer of helping this team offensively this year OR next

We can save room by not carrying 3 TE's. Cut out yoder and carry 5 WR's instead of 6, good bye Mr. Thrash.

I could be wrong but I doubt that they cut Yoder. He is only tight end on our roster that is a good blocker. Both ey and Davis are primarily pass catching tight ends.

We have a logjam at certain positions like WR....and nothing at others like Center and RG/RT. If ever there was a position where we need depth, its O Line.

Unfortunately it starts with the line, and without a solid group across the board its going to be tough to get anything out of the Fred Davis' and D Thomas'. How can you get them into the game without a line good enough to hold the fort?

Hopefully Mike Wiliams sheds 90 more pounds and is in game shape in 3 months. (doubt it). Or maybe Heyer takes a hold of the job, and jansen becomes a backup like he should be.

Maybe is all we got on the Right Side. Not the end of the world, but I think it makes it hard to expect improvement. In the NFL staying the same = moving backwards

Expecting a lot out of Williams is a mistake - this guy can be a big help but I hope they don't push him too soon - we have some issues with our offensive line but it is very unfair to expect much from him early this year if at all. He can add some depth but he will not be able to be ready until later this year

I would love for Williams to be able to play well again anf I hope it is with our line but I really think that he will take a little longer than being ready to go early this season

our team seems to think that the offensive line is not a big issue (AND according to some here ) so hopefully we have the luxury of letting this guy find his way back and he might be ready to be a starter later this year or more likely next year when we are cleaning house with our linemen.

Hmmmm.....

Redskins G Chad Rinehart, a 2008 third-round pick, has yet to win the confidence of his coaching staff.
Asked if he would feel comfortable with Rinehart playing if Randy Thomas misses time with injury, coach Jim Zorn responded: "I don't know if I would feel great because he has to show me something." The 'Skins need youth on the interior line, but Rinehart has been a disappointment thus far.
Source: Washington Times

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Hmmmm.....

Redskins G Chad Rinehart, a 2008 third-round pick, has yet to win the confidence of his coaching staff.
Asked if he would feel comfortable with Rinehart playing if Randy Thomas misses time with injury, coach Jim Zorn responded: "I don't know if I would feel great because he has to show me something." The 'Skins need youth on the interior line, but Rinehart has been a disappointment thus far.
Source: Washington Times

Well, here's what Zorn actually said. From Redskins.com...

Rinehart, the Redskins’ third-round draft pick in 2008, has shown signs of progress, Zorn said.

“Yeah, I’d put him right there,” Zorn said when asked if Rinehart could start a game in place of Thomas. “I don’t know if I’d feel great about it, because he would have to show me something.

“We haven’t put the pads on yet. I know that he’s come a distance. I can’t tell you the distance he has come until we actually see him with pads on and hitting people.

“And that’s not even the judgment. It’s [evaluating] over and over again and watching him adjust.