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RedskinjXd wrote:for anyone saying that haynesworth is a waste of money, and that we already have the #4 ranked defense... here are my two points...

1. how many of those games in the second half of the season did we lose when our #4 ranked defense couldn't stop the run and teams like dallas, and pitt, and baltimore, etc... ran the ball down our throats chewing up the whole forth quarter and keeping our offense from attempting to win the game.

If the offense did more than just go 3 and out on a consistent basis the D probably wouldn't have been worn down at the end of games.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

RedskinjXd wrote:for anyone saying that haynesworth is a waste of money, and that we already have the #4 ranked defense... here are my two points...

1. how many of those games in the second half of the season did we lose when our #4 ranked defense couldn't stop the run and teams like dallas, and pitt, and baltimore, etc... ran the ball down our throats chewing up the whole forth quarter and keeping our offense from attempting to win the game.

If the offense did more than just go 3 and out on a consistent basis the D probably wouldn't have been worn down at the end of games.

Both of you are correct. I agree that the problem is moreso with the offense in this regard tho...

i don't understand why people are saying this is the same old snyder? how many times have we talked about how money was going to amputate our team and then it turned out to be fine. in the past we were paying way too much for OLD has beens.

we're not paying for players out of thier prime, but for players still in their prime. we needed a good D-lineman, whether it's in the draft or FA. we got the best one available. it sures up our D and it allows the team to completely focus on offense in the draft.

the LB's did fine last year, they can only get better next year with a better DL. we can draft LB in 2010. there's 4 franchise type offensive tackles this year in the draft and we can help our OL more in the draft than we ever could have in FA. i'm not seeing a problem.

p.s. of course injury is a concern. but it's a concern with any player that puts on a helmet and pads.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

RedskinjXd wrote:for anyone saying that haynesworth is a waste of money, and that we already have the #4 ranked defense... here are my two points...

1. how many of those games in the second half of the season did we lose when our #4 ranked defense couldn't stop the run and teams like dallas, and pitt, and baltimore, etc... ran the ball down our throats chewing up the whole forth quarter and keeping our offense from attempting to win the game.

If the offense did more than just go 3 and out on a consistent basis the D probably wouldn't have been worn down at the end of games.

the dallas game (when they killed us with the run at the end of the game), going into the 4th quarter the skins held a 4 minute time of possession edge. dallas had only run 34 plays through 3 quarters. the skins had only ONE drive in the 4th quarter and it was for 8 plays.

the ravens game (when they killed us with the run at the end of the game), going into the 4th quarter, the skins had a 6 minute advantage in time of possession. they offense only had 3 drives in the 4th quarter. the first went for a TD and the other was for the last 16 seconds of the game when then down by 14 points.

the bengals game (when they had a 16 play drive to kill us at the end of the game), going into the 4th quarter, the skins had an 8 minute edge in time of possession. leading into that 16 play drive, the bengals had the 6 previous drives totaling 23 plays. almost averaging a 3 and out on every drive. doesn't seem like that was so tiring to lead to giving up a 16 play drive???

i just wanted to show you that the skins defensive collapses in the 4th quarter were NOT due to the offense leaving them on the field too long each game. the opposite is true. the skins had huge TOP advantages leading into these collapses and were hardly on the field for many plays. "being fresh" was not an excuse. it was simply a failure due to personnel or scheme that led to our losses in these games. sure you can say if the offense lit up the scoreboard for 40 points each of those games too, we would have won. however, that does not cover up the problems that haynesworth will fix

I am very happy on the Hanesworth and Hall pick ups. But now where do we go. Dockery would be a great pick for thr O-line.

RedskinjXd wrote:1. how many of those games in the second half of the season did we lose when our #4 ranked defense couldn't stop the run and teams like dallas, and pitt, and baltimore, etc... ran the ball down our throats chewing up the whole forth quarter and keeping our offense from attempting to win the game.

Can't agree with you more on this. The only thing that frustrated me more than watching our offense not being able to move the ball was watching teams run down our throat for the last 4 minutes of the game. Especially in the dallas and baltimore game. They were both winnable games if we just stop them from hogging the ball for the last 4 minutes.

Jeremy81 wrote:i don't understand why people are saying this is the same old snyder? how many times have we talked about how money was going to amputate our team and then it turned out to be fine. in the past we were paying way too much for OLD has beens.

we're not paying for players out of thier prime, but for players still in their prime. we needed a good D-lineman, whether it's in the draft or FA. we got the best one available. it sures up our D and it allows the team to completely focus on offense in the draft.

the LB's did fine last year, they can only get better next year with a better DL. we can draft LB in 2010. there's 4 franchise type offensive tackles this year in the draft and we can help our OL more in the draft than we ever could have in FA. i'm not seeing a problem.

p.s. of course injury is a concern. but it's a concern with any player that puts on a helmet and pads.

I agree, this isn't like the Deion experiment. In the end, IF Danny's going to win he's NEVER going to do it by listening to his critics anyway. I'd rather he take his shot then let himself be stymied without any strategy because whatever he does someone criticizes him for it. Oh boo hoo. In the end, I am sure a lot happier then in the 70s when I was a Lions fan and our unending goal was mediocrity. That's been working out well for them...

RedskinjXd wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

RedskinjXd wrote:for anyone saying that haynesworth is a waste of money, and that we already have the #4 ranked defense... here are my two points...

1. how many of those games in the second half of the season did we lose when our #4 ranked defense couldn't stop the run and teams like dallas, and pitt, and baltimore, etc... ran the ball down our throats chewing up the whole forth quarter and keeping our offense from attempting to win the game.

If the offense did more than just go 3 and out on a consistent basis the D probably wouldn't have been worn down at the end of games.

the dallas game (when they killed us with the run at the end of the game), going into the 4th quarter the skins held a 4 minute time of possession edge. dallas had only run 34 plays through 3 quarters. the skins had only ONE drive in the 4th quarter and it was for 8 plays.

the ravens game (when they killed us with the run at the end of the game), going into the 4th quarter, the skins had a 6 minute advantage in time of possession. they offense only had 3 drives in the 4th quarter. the first went for a TD and the other was for the last 16 seconds of the game when then down by 14 points.

the bengals game (when they had a 16 play drive to kill us at the end of the game), going into the 4th quarter, the skins had an 8 minute edge in time of possession. leading into that 16 play drive, the bengals had the 6 previous drives totaling 23 plays. almost averaging a 3 and out on every drive. doesn't seem like that was so tiring to lead to giving up a 16 play drive???

i just wanted to show you that the skins defensive collapses in the 4th quarter were NOT due to the offense leaving them on the field too long each game. the opposite is true. the skins had huge TOP advantages leading into these collapses and were hardly on the field for many plays. "being fresh" was not an excuse. it was simply a failure due to personnel or scheme that led to our losses in these games. sure you can say if the offense lit up the scoreboard for 40 points each of those games too, we would have won. however, that does not cover up the problems that haynesworth will fix

The simple answer is that we couldn't stop the run. Now we should be able to. Those examples are perfect to supprt that we were weak on the run. Fatigue during those drives are also an issue. 16 plays? Yeah, I don't think that there are too many out there that would stay fresh on a 16 play drive at the end of the game.

If this was the same old Dan Snyder, these would be old, has-been players. These guys are not old, has-beens.

I would worry about the money if it was coming out of my pocket. It isn't!!

aswas71788 wrote:If this was the same old Dan Snyder, these would be old, has-been players. These guys are not old, has-beens.

I would worry about the money if it was coming out of my pocket. It isn't!!

It's not about the $$$ amount. It's about the % of cap space used vs return. If we blow 10% cap space and only get a 7% return, then it's inefficient and a poor choice.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:If this was the same old Dan Snyder, these would be old, has-been players. These guys are not old, has-beens.

I would worry about the money if it was coming out of my pocket. It isn't!!

It's not about the $$$ amount. It's about the % of cap space used vs return. If we blow 10% cap space and only get a 7% return, then it's inefficient and a poor choice.

the cap doesn't apply to the redskins. haven't you realized that yet?

RedskinjXd wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:If this was the same old Dan Snyder, these would be old, has-been players. These guys are not old, has-beens.

I would worry about the money if it was coming out of my pocket. It isn't!!

It's not about the $$$ amount. It's about the % of cap space used vs return. If we blow 10% cap space and only get a 7% return, then it's inefficient and a poor choice.

the cap doesn't apply to the redskins. haven't you realized that yet?

Just b/c the skins dance with the cap, it DOES NOT MEAN it doesn't apply to them. Why not try to use all your cap. You don't get a reward if you save it. You don't get extra cap the following year.

I loved Shawn Springs when he was on, but those times were few and far between. I remember the outcry when he came from Seattle about his injury history, and that first year he really proved to be a good signing.
After that, he played sparingly. I think we'll see him in Dallas, so he can be by his father.
As for the "insider's view" of the offense, whatever. I don't think anybody will pay him more for that info when all they have to do is buy the new Madden. : )

RedskinjXd wrote:[however, that does not cover up the problems that haynesworth will fix

Correct. You hope he will fix...

VetSkinsFan wrote:It's not about the $$$ amount. It's about the % of cap space used vs return. If we blow 10% cap space and only get a 7% return, then it's inefficient and a poor choice.

Agreed, but as I asked earlier, how do you measure a sufficient ROI with a DT? Is 7 sacks from the DT position enough? 8? I mean...I have no idea.

cleg wrote:I don't know how to be a Redskins fan anymore. It is totally insane that the Danny does this crap. Vinny was on Mike and Mike sayinf it will only be another month before another DT gets a bigger contract. Ugh.

You know I don't get this. People were complaining that Dan Snyder did this very thing and the last couple years he didn't do this and we had people complain about that and now Dan Snyder goes out and does this again and we have complaining. You know what man I am proud to be a Redskins fan and if you don't know how to be a Redskin's fan anymore then maybe you should start looking for another team to root for. Part as in owner is to take gambles. When you draft it a gamble. when you pick up a free agent its a gamble, when you hire a coach it's a gamble. I just hope that this works.

This contract is worth it -IF- he delivers the performance expected from him, which according to his salary is the BEST DT in the NFL.

If he is short of that yardstick either by way of performance or injuries, this is an absolutely crazy move which the rest of the Team will pay dearly in lack of improvement at other positions of need.

Based on the record, the odds are not good that he will play a full season over any of the next few years. I only have one question: Who is his backup?

We have been one injury away of disaster in our DL and OL over the last couple of years. We are STILL one injury away from the same situation.

Those who wish to share a bit on cynicism with me KNOW that this move was urgently NEEDED to work as legitimate snake oil to attract the interest of fans who have been selling or thinking about dumping their tickets.

It will work. Skins fans are Skins fans after all.

And some of you thought that the Danny and his sidekick Vinny had LEARNED something about being cautious and getting the best bang for the money ... !!!!

I think this forces us to take a hard look at the others on the Dline who have no excuses this year because they will see man to man all day, Andre Carter , Griffin , and Jason Taylor or whoever the other end is.

If Andre can't get to the QB or Taylor we'll know we have a problem at DE

Gibbs4Life wrote:I think this forces us to take a hard look at the others on the Dline who have no excuses this year because they will see man to man all day, Andre Carter , Griffin , and Jason Taylor or whoever the other end is.

If Andre can't get to the QB or Taylor we'll know we have a problem at DE

I gotta agree with you on this. Hopefully that'll be a motivation for them all, to get to the QB first and win bragging rights, which will help them all get there more often.

NOOO!!!!!!!!!! WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Adam Schefter and Michael Lombardi were just talking about the fact that our o-line, and specifically our guards, will get much better from having to block Haynesworth on a daily basis in camp and in practice this coming year.

Bet they're not looking forward to that.

SkinsFreak wrote:Adam Schefter and Michael Lombardi were just talking about the fact that our o-line, and specifically our guards, will get much better from having to block Haynesworth on a daily basis

Either that, or crushed.

so how many sacks will he get or can help help the dline get any guesses?
I don't know all that much about him but I am glad he is signed he and Hall

Countertrey wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Adam Schefter and Michael Lombardi were just talking about the fact that our o-line, and specifically our guards, will get much better from having to block Haynesworth on a daily basis

Either that, or crushed.

Really. With the age of our o-line, perhaps Blache better tell Haynesworth to ease up a bit in practice.

Big Al's in the house! Crush that wimp Manning, overweight McNabb and that wussy Romo.

Jeremy81 wrote:i don't understand why people are saying this is the same old snyder? how many times have we talked about how money was going to amputate our team and then it turned out to be fine. in the past we were paying way too much for OLD has beens.

we're not paying for players out of thier prime, but for players still in their prime. we needed a good D-lineman, whether it's in the draft or FA. we got the best one available. it sures up our D and it allows the team to completely focus on offense in the draft.

the LB's did fine last year, they can only get better next year with a better DL. we can draft LB in 2010. there's 4 franchise type offensive tackles this year in the draft and we can help our OL more in the draft than we ever could have in FA. i'm not seeing a problem.

p.s. of course injury is a concern. but it's a concern with any player that puts on a helmet and pads.

Your comment about LB's is roght on. I'm sure London Fletcher is the happiest man in DC right now.