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Chris Luva Luva wrote:I have a feeling this deal will happen and it'll be tragic. I want a dominating DT but not at this cost.

This falls right into the Skins "win now" attitude, they still feel they are 1 or 2 peices away. This makes the decision to keep Taylor clear. Jason, Andre, Haynesworth and Griffin is a force on paper...

*shrugs shoulders.

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Even if they don't sign Haynesworth, I'm starting to get the feeling that they still think that they are only 1 or 2 pieces away. Why else would we be keeping Taylor at his salary, Griffin, Randle El, etc.?
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CanesSkins26 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I have a feeling this deal will happen and it'll be tragic. I want a dominating DT but not at this cost.

This falls right into the Skins "win now" attitude, they still feel they are 1 or 2 peices away. This makes the decision to keep Taylor clear. Jason, Andre, Haynesworth and Griffin is a force on paper...

*shrugs shoulders.

*cries


Even if they don't sign Haynesworth, I'm starting to get the feeling that they still think that they are only 1 or 2 pieces away. Why else would we be keeping Taylor at his salary, Griffin, Randle El, etc.?

Yeah, I agree that's a telling sign. . .Haynesworth or not. Even though, if I was GM, all three would be gone, I was realistically hoping for at least one or two to be cut. It looks like we might get all three, though.
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Irn-Bru wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I have a feeling this deal will happen and it'll be tragic. I want a dominating DT but not at this cost.

This falls right into the Skins "win now" attitude, they still feel they are 1 or 2 peices away. This makes the decision to keep Taylor clear. Jason, Andre, Haynesworth and Griffin is a force on paper...

*shrugs shoulders.

*cries


Even if they don't sign Haynesworth, I'm starting to get the feeling that they still think that they are only 1 or 2 pieces away. Why else would we be keeping Taylor at his salary, Griffin, Randle El, etc.?

Yeah, I agree that's a telling sign. . .Haynesworth or not. Even though, if I was GM, all three would be gone, I was realistically hoping for at least one or two to be cut. It looks like we might get all three, though.

I think Taylor stays because his agent and Vinny are buddies and they had a agreement, I can still see Springs getting cut and Hall and Haynesworth both being signed. If that happens then I could see Daniels, Carter, Haynesworth and Griffin on the DL with Taylor, LF, and Rocky as LB and Hall and Rogers on the corners...

Will any of this work? I can't see it.
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I don't appreciate the off color humor of Peter King insinuating violation of league rule by our franchise and he should be prosecuted for slander. Other reporters pick up on that kind of insinuation and more stories equal more controversy and that equals league action. Just because our owner has lunch with an agent in the offseason doesn't mean an offer has been made or deal done.

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Peter King needs to give it up. Did Peter King even mention in the first article that maybe Dan Snyder and Chad Speck were talking about Malcolm Kelly?
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If we sign Haynesworth, we won't have any choice but to cut a handful of players. The only reason Taylor might have stayed was because Vinny spent a 2nd round pick on him. So, to save face, he would have kept Taylor in hopes that he would play injury free this year and return to double digit sacks again. Other than that, he would have been cut a month ago.
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fleetus wrote:If we sign Haynesworth, we won't have any choice but to cut a handful of players. The only reason Taylor might have stayed was because Vinny spent a 2nd round pick on him. So, to save face, he would have kept Taylor in hopes that he would play injury free this year and return to double digit sacks again. Other than that, he would have been cut a month ago.


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I think this is the kind of tampering the league cares little about. It's one thing, when you've got a guy with a year or more remaining on his contract, it's another thing when a guy knows he's a free agent in a week.

Haynesworth is technically under contract, and yes, the Titans should have exclusivity till Friday, but this stuff happens all the time and is not a big deal.
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Haynesworth - the Neon-Deion of 2009???

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Not only can the Skins NOT afford Haynesworth, but they would seriously ruin the future of the team if they signed him. The cap money required to sign Haynesworth would lock up Washington's free agent moves for the next 3-5 years. For a team that is already old, has already pushed some of the older players' contracts into the next 3-5 years, they simply would go into cap jail this time. Sure, we've heard this before, but, Snyder has been playing Russian Roulette for enough years now, that he owes Jansen, Samuels, ARE, Carter and others guaranteed money over the next few years. This means it would cost more to cut these declining players than to keep them at their currently over-priced salaries.

Besides that reality, there is a consensus league wide opinion on Haynesworth:

The seven-year veteran has only started an average of 10.5 games per season in his career. Even when healthy and not suspended, Haynesworth has picked up a reputation of taking plays off. Since he is said to be seeking the largest contract ever for a defensive player, buyer beware.


To me, Haynesworth is not a good gamble...He'll be 28 next opening day, he's never played a full season in seven NFL years, he tends to coast, and huge guys like the 335-pound Haynesworth don't tend to keep their athleticism in years 10, 11 and 12.


As important as Haynesworth has been to the [Titans] success over the past two seasons, they have plenty of other defensive standouts and, for what it’s worth, managed to defeat the Steelers without him in December. They’re still not convinced that Haynesworth will stay as motivated once he gets paid...and they might decide to let another team assume the risk.


All that said, I really don't see how the Skins could even attempt to sign Haynesworth. They simply have backed themselves into a corner with respect to the salary cap, and there is no realistic way to make a Haynesworth deal work. (short of totally throwing all caution to the wind, much a like crack junkie who will do anything for their next fix)

and let's hope that is not where Snyder is going, down a back alley with his kid's piggy bank in hand.
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What else is new with our cap situation? It's been the same for years. We're also looking at an uncapped year coming up so it may be a moot point. As a redskins fan for over 30 years I can say that I understand why you're be cynical about the potential pickup. However, I will take a 80% Haynesworth over any one of our current DT's. The kid is a beast and will demand a double team. Which will free up our DE's (hopefully Taylor) to get to the QB on a more consistent basis.

I'm not a Snyder fan. But I don't think he's dumb. And believe it or not I think he's learned from his previous mistakes. I moved to Philadelphia 5 years ago so I'm away from the DC area and how ticked off everyone gets at having mediocre seasons. And it is completely understandable.

But up here in Eagleville where they have had a consistently good football team for the past 10 years, they still bitch and moan about not winning a superbowl and how bad Andy Reid is and that McNabb should be traded.

So what is my point? As fans we have something to bitch about no matter what the situation. As redskins fans we just want to get back to being a consistantly competitive team. I don't know about you guys but I was REALLY happy beating the Eagles twice this season.

So in closing... if Haynesworth is available. Freakin take him. Put clauses in his contract for playing time. Put most of his money in bonuses...which I don't believe count against the cap and let the kid put pressure up the middle. We need to score more PPG and if we can get some more off the defensive side of the ball so much the better.

I just hope we grab a good OT at pick 13.
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djlash wrote:What else is new with our cap situation? It's been the same for years. We're also looking at an uncapped year coming up so it may be a moot point. As a redskins fan for over 30 years I can say that I understand why you're be cynical about the potential pickup. However, I will take a 80% Haynesworth over any one of our current DT's. The kid is a beast and will demand a double team. Which will free up our DE's (hopefully Taylor) to get to the QB on a more consistent basis.

I'm not a Snyder fan. But I don't think he's dumb. And believe it or not I think he's learned from his previous mistakes. I moved to Philadelphia 5 years ago so I'm away from the DC area and how ticked off everyone gets at having mediocre seasons. And it is completely understandable.

But up here in Eagleville where they have had a consistently good football team for the past 10 years, they still bitch and moan about not winning a superbowl and how bad Andy Reid is and that McNabb should be traded.

So what is my point? As fans we have something to bitch about no matter what the situation. As redskins fans we just want to get back to being a consistantly competitive team. I don't know about you guys but I was REALLY happy beating the Eagles twice this season.

So in closing... if Haynesworth is available. Freakin take him. Put clauses in his contract for playing time. Put most of his money in bonuses...which I don't believe count against the cap and let the kid put pressure up the middle. We need to score more PPG and if we can get some more off the defensive side of the ball so much the better.

I just hope we grab a good OT at pick 13.


Haynesworth is still not a smart decision. The instant gratification era we live in is killing our long term future. We are NOT, I repeat, ARE NOT, a 1 away team from a championship. Haynesworth is a 1 away signing for the Redskins and will not put us over the top.
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You are all putting the blame for the cap situation on the wrong guy. Yes, Dan Snyder is ultimately the end of the line but the cap situation is now identical, maybe worse, to San Francisco's when Cerrato left there. If anyone has shaped the cap management, it is Cerrato. Place the blame where it belongs.
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Please keep all discussion regarding Haynesworth in this thread. Thanks.
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I've got to disagree with just about all of this...

fleetus wrote:Not only can the Skins NOT afford Haynesworth, but they would seriously ruin the future of the team if they signed him. The cap money required to sign Haynesworth would lock up Washington's free agent moves for the next 3-5 years.



The Redskins re-worked Samuels, ARE, and Carter (haven't seen Griff's numbers yet) which put them just over $6 million under the cap, then the NFL added $4 million plus to the 2009 cap. Phillip Daniels contract voids tonight - that's another $2 million. Griff's deal will look a lot like the first 3, so that's another $2 million saved for 2009. In other words by the time Free agency starts the Redskins will have at least $12 million to spend (holding back $2M for the rookie pool... though I doubt it will be that high with only 4 picks) That's enough to sign Haynesworth and guarantee $40 million (his cap hit would be less than Taylor's in 2009), that would leave enough to re-sign Hall, most of our RFAs and still have money to pick up Canty (of course they would have to cut Springs)


fleetus wrote: For a team that is already old, has already pushed some of the older players' contracts into the next 3-5 years, they simply would go into cap jail this time. Sure, we've heard this before, but, Snyder has been playing Russian Roulette for enough years now, that he owes Jansen, Samuels, ARE, Carter and others guaranteed money over the next few years. This means it would cost more to cut these declining players than to keep them at their currently over-priced salaries.



Like you said "the Danny" has been playing this game for quit sometime, but he doesn't keep doing the same thing. He threw a bunch of money at players in free agency when he first took over, and two years later the Redskins were projected to be in "cap hell", didn't happen because "the Danny" came up with the backloaded contract with the spit bonus (it looked like a lot of money but it wasn't), when it became time to pay the backend, he went with restructured contracts. It worked as long as he needed it to.

Going into the off-season Carter, Randle El and Samuels were already under contract until 2012 and cap hits over $6M each for 2009, now their cap hits are under $3M ea.

Here's the kicker "the Danny" has come up with a new one... most of the big money in the 2009 restructured deals is located in 2010 option bonuses. The contracts are only extended if the team picks up the option (and that's the only way the player will get the money). If they don't pick up the options then those players will become free agents in 2011, the Redskins would take the cap hit on all the prorated money in 2010 (the year we know will be uncapped) Samuels option doesn't kick in until after the 2010 season. In each case the team has until around the close training camp to pick up those options. These are basically two year deals unless the player really steps up, but I see this year as ARE and Carter's last year in the B&G. I'm pretty sure Griffin will get the same deal as Carter and ARE.








:hmm: Has anyone ever heard "the Danny" mention a NFL Salary Cap :?:
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1niksder wrote:I've got to disagree with just about all of this...

fleetus wrote:Not only can the Skins NOT afford Haynesworth, but they would seriously ruin the future of the team if they signed him. The cap money required to sign Haynesworth would lock up Washington's free agent moves for the next 3-5 years.



The Redskins re-worked Samuels, ARE, and Carter (haven't seen Griff's numbers yet) which put them just over $6 million under the cap, then the NFL added $4 million plus to the 2009 cap. Phillip Daniels contract voids tonight - that's another $2 million. Griff's deal will look a lot like the first 3, so that's another $2 million saved for 2009. In other words by the time Free agency starts the Redskins will have at least $12 million to spend (holding back $2M for the rookie pool... though I doubt it will be that high with only 4 picks) That's enough to sign Haynesworth and guarantee $40 million (his cap hit would be less than Taylor's in 2009), that would leave enough to re-sign Hall, most of our RFAs and still have money to pick up Canty (of course they would have to cut Springs)


fleetus wrote: For a team that is already old, has already pushed some of the older players' contracts into the next 3-5 years, they simply would go into cap jail this time. Sure, we've heard this before, but, Snyder has been playing Russian Roulette for enough years now, that he owes Jansen, Samuels, ARE, Carter and others guaranteed money over the next few years. This means it would cost more to cut these declining players than to keep them at their currently over-priced salaries.



Like you said "the Danny" has been playing this game for quit sometime, but he doesn't keep doing the same thing. He threw a bunch of money at players in free agency when he first took over, and two years later the Redskins were projected to be in "cap hell", didn't happen because "the Danny" came up with the backloaded contract with the spit bonus (it looked like a lot of money but it wasn't), when it became time to pay the backend, he went with restructured contracts. It worked as long as he needed it to.

Going into the off-season Carter, Randle El and Samuels were already under contract until 2012 and cap hits over $6M each for 2009, now their cap hits are under $3M ea.

Here's the kicker "the Danny" has come up with a new one... most of the big money in the 2009 restructured deals is located in 2010 option bonuses. The contracts are only extended if the team picks up the option (and that's the only way the player will get the money). If they don't pick up the options then those players will become free agents in 2011, the Redskins would take the cap hit on all the prorated money in 2010 (the year we know will be uncapped) Samuels option doesn't kick in until after the 2010 season. In each case the team has until around the close training camp to pick up those options. These are basically two year deals unless the player really steps up, but I see this year as ARE and Carter's last year in the B&G. I'm pretty sure Griffin will get the same deal as Carter and ARE.








:hmm: Has anyone ever heard "the Danny" mention a NFL Salary Cap :?:


You are smart........ I still don't want to pick up Haynesworth, because I don't think a 28 year old DT is worth all of that money. If he was a stud quarterback then well that is a different story. Has anyone else realized that most of our problems came from the offensive side of the ball? We need to add a difference maker or two on offense and forget about Mr. Big contract who will fizzle out as soon as he arrives in DC.
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1niksder wrote:I've got to disagree with just about all of this...

fleetus wrote:Not only can the Skins NOT afford Haynesworth, but they would seriously ruin the future of the team if they signed him. The cap money required to sign Haynesworth would lock up Washington's free agent moves for the next 3-5 years.



The Redskins re-worked Samuels, ARE, and Carter (haven't seen Griff's numbers yet) which put them just over $6 million under the cap, then the NFL added $4 million plus to the 2009 cap. Phillip Daniels contract voids tonight - that's another $2 million. Griff's deal will look a lot like the first 3, so that's another $2 million saved for 2009. In other words by the time Free agency starts the Redskins will have at least $12 million to spend (holding back $2M for the rookie pool... though I doubt it will be that high with only 4 picks) That's enough to sign Haynesworth and guarantee $40 million (his cap hit would be less than Taylor's in 2009), that would leave enough to re-sign Hall, most of our RFAs and still have money to pick up Canty (of course they would have to cut Springs)


fleetus wrote: For a team that is already old, has already pushed some of the older players' contracts into the next 3-5 years, they simply would go into cap jail this time. Sure, we've heard this before, but, Snyder has been playing Russian Roulette for enough years now, that he owes Jansen, Samuels, ARE, Carter and others guaranteed money over the next few years. This means it would cost more to cut these declining players than to keep them at their currently over-priced salaries.



Like you said "the Danny" has been playing this game for quit sometime, but he doesn't keep doing the same thing. He threw a bunch of money at players in free agency when he first took over, and two years later the Redskins were projected to be in "cap hell", didn't happen because "the Danny" came up with the backloaded contract with the spit bonus (it looked like a lot of money but it wasn't), when it became time to pay the backend, he went with restructured contracts. It worked as long as he needed it to.

Going into the off-season Carter, Randle El and Samuels were already under contract until 2012 and cap hits over $6M each for 2009, now their cap hits are under $3M ea.

Here's the kicker "the Danny" has come up with a new one... most of the big money in the 2009 restructured deals is located in 2010 option bonuses. The contracts are only extended if the team picks up the option (and that's the only way the player will get the money). If they don't pick up the options then those players will become free agents in 2011, the Redskins would take the cap hit on all the prorated money in 2010 (the year we know will be uncapped) Samuels option doesn't kick in until after the 2010 season. In each case the team has until around the close training camp to pick up those options. These are basically two year deals unless the player really steps up, but I see this year as ARE and Carter's last year in the B&G. I'm pretty sure Griffin will get the same deal as Carter and ARE.








:hmm: Has anyone ever heard "the Danny" mention a NFL Salary Cap :?:


I didn't realize it was structured like that. Sounds like Danny may be playing Fantasy Football with his burgundy and gold heart, but the business side is still on point. What happens if it it's not an uncapped year, though. How big will the piper's stick be?
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VetSkinsFan wrote:I didn't realize it was structured like that. Sounds like Danny may be playing Fantasy Football with his burgundy and gold heart, but the business side is still on point. What happens if it it's not an uncapped year, though. How big will the piper's stick be?

They can't get a replacement for Upshaw at the NFLPA so it's almost a given that 2010 will be uncapped, that's when they can dump contracts and see what happens in 2011. Keep in mind that the NFLPA has always stated that if the cap went away it is not coming back.
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1niksder wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:I didn't realize it was structured like that. Sounds like Danny may be playing Fantasy Football with his burgundy and gold heart, but the business side is still on point. What happens if it it's not an uncapped year, though. How big will the piper's stick be?

They can't get a replacement for Upshaw at the NFLPA so it's almost a given that 2010 will be uncapped, that's when they can dump contracts and see what happens in 2011. Keep in mind that the NFLPA has always stated that if the cap went away it is not coming back.


I think somewhere, Danny needs to change his shorts...
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1niksder wrote:I've got to disagree with just about all of this...

fleetus wrote:Not only can the Skins NOT afford Haynesworth, but they would seriously ruin the future of the team if they signed him. The cap money required to sign Haynesworth would lock up Washington's free agent moves for the next 3-5 years.



The Redskins re-worked Samuels, ARE, and Carter (haven't seen Griff's numbers yet) which put them just over $6 million under the cap, then the NFL added $4 million plus to the 2009 cap. Phillip Daniels contract voids tonight - that's another $2 million. Griff's deal will look a lot like the first 3, so that's another $2 million saved for 2009. In other words by the time Free agency starts the Redskins will have at least $12 million to spend (holding back $2M for the rookie pool... though I doubt it will be that high with only 4 picks) That's enough to sign Haynesworth and guarantee $40 million (his cap hit would be less than Taylor's in 2009), that would leave enough to re-sign Hall, most of our RFAs and still have money to pick up Canty (of course they would have to cut Springs)


fleetus wrote: For a team that is already old, has already pushed some of the older players' contracts into the next 3-5 years, they simply would go into cap jail this time. Sure, we've heard this before, but, Snyder has been playing Russian Roulette for enough years now, that he owes Jansen, Samuels, ARE, Carter and others guaranteed money over the next few years. This means it would cost more to cut these declining players than to keep them at their currently over-priced salaries.



Like you said "the Danny" has been playing this game for quit sometime, but he doesn't keep doing the same thing. He threw a bunch of money at players in free agency when he first took over, and two years later the Redskins were projected to be in "cap hell", didn't happen because "the Danny" came up with the backloaded contract with the spit bonus (it looked like a lot of money but it wasn't), when it became time to pay the backend, he went with restructured contracts. It worked as long as he needed it to.

Going into the off-season Carter, Randle El and Samuels were already under contract until 2012 and cap hits over $6M each for 2009, now their cap hits are under $3M ea.

Here's the kicker "the Danny" has come up with a new one... most of the big money in the 2009 restructured deals is located in 2010 option bonuses. The contracts are only extended if the team picks up the option (and that's the only way the player will get the money). If they don't pick up the options then those players will become free agents in 2011, the Redskins would take the cap hit on all the prorated money in 2010 (the year we know will be uncapped) Samuels option doesn't kick in until after the 2010 season. In each case the team has until around the close training camp to pick up those options. These are basically two year deals unless the player really steps up, but I see this year as ARE and Carter's last year in the B&G. I'm pretty sure Griffin will get the same deal as Carter and ARE.


Skins had to restructure ARE, Carter and void Daniels contract just to get UNDER the 123M cap. Then you release some players, Taylor being the #1 target. Fine, but they were considering moving him part time to OLB where MArcus vacated. Whose your OLB now? Next you cut Springs, fine. That totals about 10M in new cap room. But who is your #1 Corner now? It will take 10 Mil to get Haynesworth and pay the 4 draft picks. You need a little operating money through the season. What if JC or Portis goes down to season ending injury? You need a little scratch to pick up a free agent in those cases.

But that's just this years cap money! Sure they can clear cap for this year, that is part of the problem. To clear that money, you have to GUARANTEE future money for those guys. How many times have I heard people ask why we haven't released ARE yet? This is why. His contract was too long and too expensive to cut him without taking a huge cap hit. Now, as we get into the 2nd half of his contract, where maybe we could cut him soon and not take a huge hit, Snyder restructures his contract with guaranteed money. Now we'll have no choice but to keep him. Same thing with Jansen, Carter, Griffin, Samuels...

You also are way below what we'll have to pay Haynesworth. Because of the uncertainty of the CBA and the future possibility of a lockout top tier free agents like Haynesworth are not accepting back loaded contracts like Snyder uses. It will take UPFRONT money to land Haynesworth.

So you've got 10MIL, you spend most all of it on Haynesworth, lose Taylor, lose Springs and have nothing left over to sign Hall or any other CB, or any OLB, or any OL. And you mortgage the future of the team as well. Yeah, that's a great move.
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Re: Haynesworth - the Neon-Deion of 2009???

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fleetus wrote:Skins had to restructure ARE, Carter and void Daniels contract just to get UNDER the 123M cap. Then you release some players, Taylor being the #1 target. Fine, but they were considering moving him part time to OLB where MArcus vacated. Whose your OLB now? Next you cut Springs, fine. That totals about 10M in new cap room. But who is your #1 Corner now? It will take 10 Mil to get Haynesworth and pay the 4 draft picks. You need a little operating money through the season. What if JC or Portis goes down to season ending injury? You need a little scratch to pick up a free agent in those cases.

But that's just this years cap money! Sure they can clear cap for this year, that is part of the problem. To clear that money, you have to GUARANTEE future money for those guys. How many times have I heard people ask why we haven't released ARE yet? This is why. His contract was too long and too expensive to cut him without taking a huge cap hit. Now, as we get into the 2nd half of his contract, where maybe we could cut him soon and not take a huge hit, Snyder restructures his contract with guaranteed money. Now we'll have no choice but to keep him. Same thing with Jansen, Carter, Griffin, Samuels...

You also are way below what we'll have to pay Haynesworth. Because of the uncertainty of the CBA and the future possibility of a lockout top tier free agents like Haynesworth are not accepting back loaded contracts like Snyder uses. It will take UPFRONT money to land Haynesworth.



The Redskins restucture contracts every year, so do most teams, Daineils had voidable years in his contract so I'm missng your point there too,

Like I said not only did they not guarantee future money, they actually shorten the contracts that they restructured and the only money that was GUARANTEED was part of their 2009 base salary.

You might want to check out the terms of those restuctured deals.

Taylor won't be cut, Haynesworth wants $30M guarunteed and to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. The Skins will be about $14 million under the cap tonight. They can offer him a 6 year $100M deal with $40 million guaranteed yet it would only eat up about $6.5 million in 2009 cap space, Hall is looking for about $15 million guaranteed that's a five year $60M deal but only around $4 million in 2009 cap space, $2M for the rookie pool and they are still $1.5M under, cut Springs and gain another $6 million under the 2009 cap.

As far as the CBA goes, 2010 will be uncapped because of the CBA (which is still in effect in 2010) and there will be no look out.
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Re: Haynesworth - the Neon-Deion of 2009???

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fleetus wrote:So you've got 10MIL, you spend most all of it on Haynesworth, lose Taylor, lose Springs and have nothing left over to sign Hall or any other CB, or any OLB, or any OL. And you mortgage the future of the team as well. Yeah, that's a great move.


You have no idea what you are talking about, do you ROTFALMAO

That post makes as much sense as something you'd hear on ESPN :shock:
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Iv'e been reading longer than I have been posting, but not that long
and I have learned, you don't go eye to eye with 1niksder and end up looking smart...
having said that, I don't want haynesorth for the simple fact of making a guy the highest paid Def player when hasn't played a full season since he was a rookie, and he will be 28 at start of season
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1niksder, you are the man. Thanks for clearing up some of those cap issues. :up:

It's an interesting scenario, risk verses reward. Many fans of other teams are screaming and begging to obtain the services of Haynesworth. A lot of folks outside Redskins Nation think Haynesworth is actually worth the investment...


Five worth the investment

With free agency set to open Friday, Scouts Inc. takes a look at five players for whom teams should feel comfortable opening their wallets:

Albert Haynesworth, DT, Tennessee

A few years ago he would have fallen more into the buyer-beware category, but after coming back from an unfortunate incident of on-field violence he has turned his career around. The low motor and work-ethic issues of the past are gone. In Tennessee, Haynesworth was a dominant force at the point of attack and the Titans built their defense around him. Their goal was to bring outside pressure and funnel the ball back inside, where Haynesworth was taking on (and beating) double-team blocks and making plays around the line of scrimmage. He was the best unrestricted free agent coming into the process and probably will hit the open market.


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I'd like to go on record as saying that if anyone out there is worth that kind of money, it's Albert Haynesworth. Dan Snyder's made his poor free agent investments in the past, but I'd fully endorse the signing of Haynesworth.

He's 27 years old, and the most dominant player in the league at his position, if not the most dominant player in the league, period. When Haynesworth is on the field he's going to occupy at least two blockers in the middle of the line, pretty much eliminating the possibility of the opposition running the ball between the tackles. He gets pressure on the quarterback, too. He is a one-man disruption.

And when you're facing Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber and Brian Westbrook six times a year, and the usually stout offensive lines in front of them, a guy like Haynesworth could be extremely valuable to have around.


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No matter where Haynesworth ends up, if he can stay healthy and motivated (he'll be 28 years old and has hopefully matured) he will make an entire defense better. The DE's, LB's and DB's will benefit immensely from his presence in the middle of the line.
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