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eli throws junk balls alot and has a great oppurtunity to do so I think that Jason will start getting opputunities to hit some deeper passes as long as the timing comes around jason has a pretty ball

JC is not any were near Eli I don't care what the stats say. The only stat that matters is win loss. Plaxico wasn't a force untill Eli became his Qb. This is a joke, JC is better than Eli. \
Eli showed leadership, you know when Jeremy and Tiki were underminning him, JC could have never stepped up to the plate the way Eli did. How about the superbowl I have never seen JC show grit and determination like that, not even once. They way he avoided the sack in that superbowl, if that was JC, he would have been sacked easily.

redskins14ru wrote:eli throws junk balls alot and has a great oppurtunity to do so I think that Jason will start getting opputunities to hit some deeper passes as long as the timing comes around jason has a pretty ball

Jason has been playing with these WR's for some time now. The scheme has nothing to do with how fast they are, he still CANNOT hit Moss in stride. Jason's deep ball is vastily overrated and extremely ineffective. Every deep ball Moss caught he had to slow down, turn around or completely stop to get.

John Manfreda wrote:JC is not any were near Eli I don't care what the stats say. The only stat that matters is win loss. Plaxico wasn't a force untill Eli became his Qb. This is a joke, JC is better than Eli. \
Eli showed leadership, you know when Jeremy and Tiki were underminning him, JC could have never stepped up to the plate the way Eli did. How about the superbowl I have never seen JC show grit and determination like that, not even once. They way he avoided the sack in that superbowl, if that was JC, he would have been sacked easily.

JC has done a lot better in the pocket this year than last. He's not fumbled nearly as much as last year. You can't knock him for everything. Just like you can't give Eli all the credit for the ring....

VetSkinsFan wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:JC is not any were near Eli I don't care what the stats say. The only stat that matters is win loss. Plaxico wasn't a force untill Eli became his Qb. This is a joke, JC is better than Eli. \
Eli showed leadership, you know when Jeremy and Tiki were underminning him, JC could have never stepped up to the plate the way Eli did. How about the superbowl I have never seen JC show grit and determination like that, not even once. They way he avoided the sack in that superbowl, if that was JC, he would have been sacked easily.

JC has done a lot better in the pocket this year than last. He's not fumbled nearly as much as last year. You can't knock him for everything. Just like you can't give Eli all the credit for the ring....

No, Vet. It's all JC's fault, don't you understand? If we had put Colt Brennan in as QB this year, we would have gone 16-0 and would be playing in the playoffs with home field advantage...

in stride so that moss could make some moves,..
did anyone mention that cooley may play flanker ha ha
I agree to beat the defense with a simple yet effective passing game has been impossible due to the delivery of passes to crossing routes and slants..... therefore when cambell hits recievers in stride, because I seriosly doubt that he gets replaced..... he will then complete 73 or more percent of his passes and be a winner. for now and probably, thats probably next season we will have to live with his terrible lead passes.
thanks.......

John Manfreda wrote:JC is not any were near Eli I don't care what the stats say. The only stat that matters is win loss.

Trent Dilfer is the greatest quarterback ever!!!

Plaxico wasn't a force untill Eli became his Qb.

Really? Burress' best year was in Pittsburgh in 2002 (career high 1325 yards), with that dynamite quarterback Tommy Maddox.

Children, children ... The season is OVER, well, at least for the Skins. I still have the Hognostications Bowl to finish but even that may very well happen this weekend. I am doomed by the TRO curse.

I do not feel that Jason has the ability to lead this team to the Superbowl UNLESS he is surrounded by a BRILLIANT cast, including a bullet-proof OL.

So, what is first? The chicken or the egg? The good OL or the good QB? I do not know but right now, it does not work. We do not have the chicken or the egg. That point has been proven this season.

PulpExposure wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:JC is not any were near Eli I don't care what the stats say. The only stat that matters is win loss.

Trent Dilfer is the greatest quarterback ever!!!

Plaxico wasn't a force untill Eli became his Qb.

Really? Burress' best year was in Pittsburgh in 2002 (career high 1325 yards), with that dynamite quarterback Tommy Maddox.

yes than he was run out of Pitt. So it couldn't have been that great. I have nothing against Trent, if you think that fine. I don't mind him. I don't agree with it, but if you want think Trent is the greatest thats cool with me.

How about this if JC is good next year you can say I told you so, and if he sucks I will say I told you so. That sounds like a fair thing to me.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Children, children ... The season is OVER, well, at least for the Skins. I still have the Hognostications Bowl to finish but even that may very well happen this weekend. I am doomed by the TRO curse.

I do not feel that Jason has the ability to lead this team to the Superbowl UNLESS he is surrounded by a BRILLIANT cast, including a bullet-proof OL.

So, what is first? The chicken or the egg? The good OL or the good QB? I do not know but right now, it does not work. We do not have the chicken or the egg. That point has been proven this season.

Exactly we need a new Qb, and to upgrade our line. What we need most is a general manager, in my opinion.

John Manfreda wrote:yes than he was run out of Pitt. So it couldn't have been that great. I have nothing against Trent, if you think that fine. I don't mind him. I don't agree with it, but if you want think Trent is the greatest thats cool with me.

Talk about a reductio ad absurdum. . .did John Manfreda just agree that there's a compelling case to be made that Dilfer is the greatest quarterback of all time?



Oh, let me make this argument in Manfreda fashion, too, just so nothing is lost here: Trent Dilfer the greatest of all time?

Irn-Bru wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:yes than he was run out of Pitt. So it couldn't have been that great. I have nothing against Trent, if you think that fine. I don't mind him. I don't agree with it, but if you want think Trent is the greatest thats cool with me.

Talk about a reductio ad absurdum. . .did John Manfreda just agree that there's a compelling case to be made that Dilfer is the greatest quarterback of all time?



Oh, let me make this argument in Manfreda fashion, too, just so nothing is lost here: Trent Dilfer the greatest of all time?

Are you retarded? I said I don't agree with it, but if he wants to think it, thats cool with me. If he wants to think that Trent Dilfer is the greatest Qb of all time, than fine. I don't give a rats ass.

Are you really that stupid?

Another example of the staff trying to gang up on people.

So if he wants to think that Trent Dilfer is the greatest QB of all time, even though you disagree you're cool with it.

But if someone even suggests that Ben Roethlisberger is overrated and that JC's stats aren't very different, you blow up with laughter and can't believe anyone would ever say that. LOL

You don't see the. . .uh. . .imbalance there?

Irn-Bru wrote:So if he wants to think that Trent Dilfer is the greatest QB of all time, even though you disagree you're cool with it.

But if someone even suggests that Ben Roethlisberger is overrated and that JC's stats aren't very different, you blow up with laughter and can't believe anyone would ever say that. LOL

You don't see the. . .uh. . .imbalance there?

And also there is the intention of PE's statement to cosider.

PulpExposure wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:JC is not any were near Eli I don't care what the stats say. The only stat that matters is win loss.

Trent Dilfer is the greatest quarterback ever!!!

JM, can you not recognize sarcasm? He made that statement to show you the foolishness of yours.

JSPB22 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:JC is not any were near Eli I don't care what the stats say. The only stat that matters is win loss.

Trent Dilfer is the greatest quarterback ever!!!

JM, can you not recognize sarcasm? He made that statement to show you the foolishness of yours.

No, I think he sees the absurdity in saying that, but he'd rather live with that absurdity than admit that 'wins = the best measure of a QB's skill' is a TERRIBLE way to judge the effectiveness of a QB.

This is straying from the original topic...

Irn-Bru wrote:So if he wants to think that Trent Dilfer is the greatest QB of all time, even though you disagree you're cool with it.

But if someone even suggests that Ben Roethlisberger is overrated and that JC's stats aren't very different, you blow up with laughter and can't believe anyone would ever say that. LOL

You don't see the. . .uh. . .imbalance there?

Yes I could care less about what he says about trent dilfer

Irn-Bru wrote:So if he wants to think that Trent Dilfer is the greatest QB of all time, even though you disagree you're cool with it.

But if someone even suggests that Ben Roethlisberger is overrated and that JC's stats aren't very different, you blow up with laughter and can't believe anyone would ever say that. LOL

You don't see the. . .uh. . .imbalance there?

Because I know he is talking out of his ass

JSPB22 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:So if he wants to think that Trent Dilfer is the greatest QB of all time, even though you disagree you're cool with it.

But if someone even suggests that Ben Roethlisberger is overrated and that JC's stats aren't very different, you blow up with laughter and can't believe anyone would ever say that. LOL

You don't see the. . .uh. . .imbalance there?

And also there is the intention of PE's statement to cosider.

PulpExposure wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:JC is not any were near Eli I don't care what the stats say. The only stat that matters is win loss.

Trent Dilfer is the greatest quarterback ever!!!

JM, can you not recognize sarcasm? He made that statement to show you the foolishness of yours.

Are you that stupid? I know he is sarcastic thats why I didn't care. I guess you are. My statements aren't upsurd whats upsurd is sticking up for a qb that has repeatedly failed as a Redskin. Whats upsurd is blaming everyone for the teams lack of success besides the one common denominator. Whats upsurd is thinking that when JC got hurt and we went 4-0 in the regular season without him, and than stating, oh JC isn't a problem its everyone else, even though they were excelling without him.

Whats absurd is is using Vinny Cerrato's opinion as a reinforcement that were right about evaluating talent like someone on this board did.

Whats absurd is thinking that JC is as good as Big Ben, or JC is a franchise Qb when he repeatedly fails.

Whats absurd is claiming the line isn't good enough for a team to succed when Pit and New England had wrose lines this year and posted good records.

Whats absurd is claiming that JC is better than Eli Manning. My posts aren't upsurd, other people's posts are absurd.

what else is stupid is claiming that the players don't think JC is the problem because none of them have said it off the record. Thats stupid. None of my posts are stupid. The post especially by the staff, there's is stupid.

What else is stupid is claiming that JC is has improved, when he has gotten worse over the course of the season. He looked better in the begining of the season, than in the middle and end.

Improving players get better throughout the season. At the end of the season he got ample time to make things happened and he failed. So don't give this line crap, or Wr they caught balls. JC constantly over throws them, even on screens.

John Manfreda wrote:None of my posts are stupid. The post especially by the staff, there's is stupid.

There's is stupid. Lol. NEW SIG.

What's absurd to me is people questioning others intelligence, in incoherent, rambling posts, riddled with grammatical errors.

JSPB22 wrote:What's absurd to me is people questioning others intelligence, in incoherent, rambling posts, riddled with grammatical errors.

AND the classic claim

"My posts aren't upsurd. Other people's posts are absurd."

I swear - you just cannot make this stuff up

i am not really absurd

John Manfreda wrote:what else is stupid is claiming that the players don't think JC is the problem because none of them have said it off the record. Thats stupid. None of my posts are stupid. The post especially by the staff, there's is stupid.

What else is stupid is claiming that JC is has improved, when he has gotten worse over the course of the season. He looked better in the begining of the season, than in the middle and end.

Improving players get better throughout the season. At the end of the season he got ample time to make things happened and he failed. So don't give this line crap, or Wr they caught balls. JC constantly over throws them, even on screens.

Let me let you in on a little secret, John, K-Mart sucks. No wait, I meant a different secret. The trick is to make them mad without getting mad. If you keep doing that you just tire yourself out. They're playing with you. This post is pretty stupid, but we must unite against The Man. Oh, and you're on your own, good luck.