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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:19 pm
by DEHog
Thundersloth wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:You're not allowed the questin Dan Snyder because he's a true fan. Even though throwing cash at the problem has yet to fix it, it doesn't matter because he cares.
That is the thing about Dannyboy. He is willing to spend money. It's way beter than being in Cincy where that owner won't get off his wallet. I just wish that the money was spent more wisely and that he knew what market value is for the particular players he wants to sign through free agency. This past year we stayed out of the free agent market because we didn't really have room under the cap. If we have the UNCAPPED year in 2010, look out, we'll probably be just like the evil empire in New York.
I hope not...Football is so different from Baseball you can't go out and get what are considered the best players and expect them to play at that level for your team/ Alot of the so called best players are that because of the system they play in...Did you catch the rookie for the Titans yesterday in his first start he get 3 sacks!!!!
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:18 pm
by redskins14ru
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:27 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
That post does not make any sense...
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:32 pm
by Deadskins
Prince33 wrote:The game today backs up the glaring fact that our offense needs a lot of work. It was nice to beat Philly twice, but hard to understand how we put ourselves in this position by loosing to Cincy last week. No matter how many posts are written about we need this or we need that, the underlying factor is that we need stability and a belief in the future. The problem with this team is that we have so many veterans it is a win now type of team. I can already see most of us getting excited when we are aggressive in free agency this offseason and pick up some stud players without addressing the core issue of rebuilding thru the draft. We might win a Championship but we will be hit with the same old problem once again. No real commitment to building a youthful foundation.
You can only do so much in a year. We kept all 10 draft picks this year. The punter got replaced by another young guy, so we
are trying to build through the draft. We may not have addressed the needs you wanted us to, but you can't make the statement that we aren't building through the draft, when one fifth of the team were rookies this year.
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:37 pm
by Deadskins
Redskin in Canada wrote:you could say that INCONSISTENCY killed our playoff chances this year. We should have and could have easily defeated the Rams as well.
Add the second Pies game to that list of blown opportunities.
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:54 pm
by NJ-SKINS-FAN
i cant stand mcnabb, both times this year after he lost to us, he was shocked they lost......like they are the 1972 dolphins and we are the 2008 lions....
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:53 pm
by SkinsFreak
JSPB22 wrote:Redskin in Canada wrote:you could say that INCONSISTENCY killed our playoff chances this year. We should have and could have easily defeated the Rams as well.
Add the second Pies game to that list of blown opportunities.
There were several blown opportunities, and look at how many of them were caused just by turnovers, like to the Rams. The fumbles alone have been costly. Fumbles by Portis,
ey, Sellers, Betts, Moss... those have lost us games even more than the inconsistency factor. You could prove that untimely fumbles directly cost us games against the Rams, Pies, Bengals, Ravens... just to name a few.
In the 1st half of the season, there were very few offensive turnovers. The 2nd half of the season is a different story. You can't score many points when you continually put the ball on the ground. So, turnovers alone were a major factor for the lack of points scored by this offense. Not saying it's the only reason, but it's most likely one of the biggest reasons.
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:50 pm
by Deadskins
Chris Luva Luva wrote:What more do u want from this defense?
Is it too much to ask that they score a few points during a season? They got close yesterday, but still had to rely on the offense to put the ball in the endzone. I'm only partially joking here. They need to create more turnovers, and score occasionally.
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:00 am
by Chris Luva Luva
JSPB22 wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:What more do u want from this defense?
Is it too much to ask that they score a few points during a season? They got close yesterday, but still had to rely on the offense to put the ball in the endzone. I'm only partially joking here. They need to create more turnovers, and score occasionally.
Yes, I agree with all of those things. But they weren't going to happen THIS year. People needed to stop expecting them. This defense will keep you in every game, thats what they are capable of at the moment and they do that consistently.
Let me ask you this. What good are turnovers when our offense doesn't capitalize off of them? This defense has given them plenty of chances and they did jack with them.
Considering this defense has no pass rush, we should be thanking our lucky stars that they play as good as they do.
You can't lose the time of possession battle every week and expect the defense NOT to be tired in the 4th qtr, especially when the defensive line is suspect. C'mon now, these expectactions of them are unfair and unrealistic given the talent level of the D. They're ALREADY playing above what they should and you all keep wanting more.
A 16 point avg is not acceptable and until we score 21 points a game consistently, I will never blame the D. If we're putting up 24-28 points a game and we suddenly have a one week lapse, then yeah the defense needs to pick up the slack.
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:54 am
by RayNAustin
Anyone pointing fingers at the defense this year isn't capable of a coherent thought. Plain and simple, the defense played at a championship level, and our 17.9 points per game is 4th best, behind the Steelers, Ravens, and Titans. And better than the great Dallas, NYG, Philly with their big sack numbers, OK.
Once again, many here totally ignore the most important statistic....POINTS !
And like many other games this year, the win against the eagles was TOTALLY defense......as the pathetic offense was once again virtually useless....with their only TD coming off of a gift from the defense inside the Philthy 20.
When this pathetic group has managed to score 20 points (6 times this year) the Redskins are 6-0. (NFL average is 22 points per game) On the other hand, this offense has failed to score more than 14 points 8 times this year, 6 of which they failed to score more than 10 points.
Now....let's put one last baby to bed here.......that baby being how terribly pressured Jason Campbell is with his poor o-line....how he'd be so great if he had the hogs on the o-line, etc.
Guess what? Jason Campbell's career sack average is 1.8 per game so far. Now let's compare that little stat to Joe Theismann who over an 11 year career averaged 2.03 sacks per game. And, considering that Theismann was a much, MUCH better scrambler, better release, quicker decision maker than Campbell suggests that Jason Campbell would still be the inept QB he is even with the hogs in front of him.
Yes, Theismann had the hogs and he still was under more pressure than Campbell throughout his 11 year career. The difference between them is that Theismann was a play maker, and Campbell is an offense killer.
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:14 am
by VetSkinsFan
JSPB22 wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:What more do u want from this defense?
Is it too much to ask that they score a few points during a season? They got close yesterday, but still had to rely on the offense to put the ball in the endzone. I'm only partially joking here. They need to create more turnovers, and score occasionally.
When the offense is given a pass and you EXPECT the defense to score...there's nothing else to discuss. IT'S THE OFFENSE'S JOB TO GET IN THE END ZONE. THAT'S THEIR SOLE FREAKIN PURPOSE.
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:14 am
by DEHog
RayNAustin wrote:Anyone pointing fingers at the defense this year isn't capable of a coherent thought. Plain and simple, the defense played at a championship level, and our 17.9 points per game is 4th best, behind the Steelers, Ravens, and Titans. And better than the great Dallas, NYG, Philly with their big sack numbers, OK.
Once again, many here totally ignore the most important statistic....POINTS !
And like many other games this year, the win against the eagles was TOTALLY defense......as the pathetic offense was once again virtually useless....with their only TD coming off of a gift from the defense inside the Philthy 20.
When this pathetic group has managed to score 20 points (6 times this year) the Redskins are 6-0. (NFL average is 22 points per game) On the other hand, this offense has failed to score more than 14 points 8 times this year, 6 of which they failed to score more than 10 points.
Now....let's put one last baby to bed here.......that baby being how terribly pressured Jason Campbell is with his poor o-line....how he'd be so great if he had the hogs on the o-line, etc.
Guess what? Jason Campbell's career sack average is 1.8 per game so far. Now let's compare that little stat to Joe Theismann who over an 11 year career averaged 2.03 sacks per game. And, considering that Theismann was a much, MUCH better scrambler, better release, quicker decision maker than Campbell suggests that Jason Campbell would still be the inept QB he is even with the hogs in front of him.
Yes, Theismann had the hogs and he still was under more pressure than Campbell throughout his 11 year career. The difference between them is that Theismann was a play maker, and Campbell is an offense killer.
IMO Championship D's do two things are D doesn't do...
Sack and create TO
I'll add Championship D's don't miss the playoffs NY,Tenn,Pitt
Heck two D's won SB (Balt,Chi)
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:42 am
by VetSkinsFan
DEHog wrote:RayNAustin wrote:Anyone pointing fingers at the defense this year isn't capable of a coherent thought. Plain and simple, the defense played at a championship level, and our 17.9 points per game is 4th best, behind the Steelers, Ravens, and Titans. And better than the great Dallas, NYG, Philly with their big sack numbers, OK.
Once again, many here totally ignore the most important statistic....POINTS !
And like many other games this year, the win against the eagles was TOTALLY defense......as the pathetic offense was once again virtually useless....with their only TD coming off of a gift from the defense inside the Philthy 20.
When this pathetic group has managed to score 20 points (6 times this year) the Redskins are 6-0. (NFL average is 22 points per game) On the other hand, this offense has failed to score more than 14 points 8 times this year, 6 of which they failed to score more than 10 points.
Now....let's put one last baby to bed here.......that baby being how terribly pressured Jason Campbell is with his poor o-line....how he'd be so great if he had the hogs on the o-line, etc.
Guess what? Jason Campbell's career sack average is 1.8 per game so far. Now let's compare that little stat to Joe Theismann who over an 11 year career averaged 2.03 sacks per game. And, considering that Theismann was a much, MUCH better scrambler, better release, quicker decision maker than Campbell suggests that Jason Campbell would still be the inept QB he is even with the hogs in front of him.
Yes, Theismann had the hogs and he still was under more pressure than Campbell throughout his 11 year career. The difference between them is that Theismann was a play maker, and Campbell is an offense killer.
IMO Championship D's do two things are D doesn't do...
Sack and create TO
I'll add Championship D's don't miss the playoffs NY,Tenn,Pitt
Heck two D's won SB (Balt,Chi)
You're adding more to it than there is... I don't recall anyone saying we have a championship defense. The point is the defense is NOT the majority of the skins problems this year.
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:44 am
by Chris Luva Luva
VetSkinsFan wrote:You're adding more to it than there is... I don't recall anyone saying we have a championship defense. The point is the defense is NOT the majority of the skins problems this year.
Exactly...
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:36 am
by DEHog
VetSkinsFan wrote:DEHog wrote:RayNAustin wrote:Anyone pointing fingers at the defense this year isn't capable of a coherent thought. Plain and simple, the defense played at a championship level, and our 17.9 points per game is 4th best, behind the Steelers, Ravens, and Titans. And better than the great Dallas, NYG, Philly with their big sack numbers, OK.
Once again, many here totally ignore the most important statistic....POINTS !
And like many other games this year, the win against the eagles was TOTALLY defense......as the pathetic offense was once again virtually useless....with their only TD coming off of a gift from the defense inside the Philthy 20.
When this pathetic group has managed to score 20 points (6 times this year) the Redskins are 6-0. (NFL average is 22 points per game) On the other hand, this offense has failed to score more than 14 points 8 times this year, 6 of which they failed to score more than 10 points.
Now....let's put one last baby to bed here.......that baby being how terribly pressured Jason Campbell is with his poor o-line....how he'd be so great if he had the hogs on the o-line, etc.
Guess what? Jason Campbell's career sack average is 1.8 per game so far. Now let's compare that little stat to Joe Theismann who over an 11 year career averaged 2.03 sacks per game. And, considering that Theismann was a much, MUCH better scrambler, better release, quicker decision maker than Campbell suggests that Jason Campbell would still be the inept QB he is even with the hogs in front of him.
Yes, Theismann had the hogs and he still was under more pressure than Campbell throughout his 11 year career. The difference between them is that Theismann was a play maker, and Campbell is an offense killer.
IMO Championship D's do two things are D doesn't do...
Sack and create TO
I'll add Championship D's don't miss the playoffs NY,Tenn,Pitt
Heck two D's won SB (Balt,Chi)
You're adding more to it than there is... I don't recall anyone saying we have a championship defense. The point is the defense is NOT the majority of the skins problems this year.
Anyone pointing fingers at the defense this year isn't capable of a coherent thought. Plain and simple, the defense played at a championship level, and our 17.9 points per game is 4th best, behind the Steelers, Ravens, and Titans. And better than the great Dallas, NYG, Philly with their big sack numbers, OK.
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:51 pm
by VetSkinsFan
DEHog wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:DEHog wrote:RayNAustin wrote:Anyone pointing fingers at the defense this year isn't capable of a coherent thought. Plain and simple, the defense played at a championship level, and our 17.9 points per game is 4th best, behind the Steelers, Ravens, and Titans. And better than the great Dallas, NYG, Philly with their big sack numbers, OK.
Once again, many here totally ignore the most important statistic....POINTS !
And like many other games this year, the win against the eagles was TOTALLY defense......as the pathetic offense was once again virtually useless....with their only TD coming off of a gift from the defense inside the Philthy 20.
When this pathetic group has managed to score 20 points (6 times this year) the Redskins are 6-0. (NFL average is 22 points per game) On the other hand, this offense has failed to score more than 14 points 8 times this year, 6 of which they failed to score more than 10 points.
Now....let's put one last baby to bed here.......that baby being how terribly pressured Jason Campbell is with his poor o-line....how he'd be so great if he had the hogs on the o-line, etc.
Guess what? Jason Campbell's career sack average is 1.8 per game so far. Now let's compare that little stat to Joe Theismann who over an 11 year career averaged 2.03 sacks per game. And, considering that Theismann was a much, MUCH better scrambler, better release, quicker decision maker than Campbell suggests that Jason Campbell would still be the inept QB he is even with the hogs in front of him.
Yes, Theismann had the hogs and he still was under more pressure than Campbell throughout his 11 year career. The difference between them is that Theismann was a play maker, and Campbell is an offense killer.
IMO Championship D's do two things are D doesn't do...
Sack and create TO
I'll add Championship D's don't miss the playoffs NY,Tenn,Pitt
Heck two D's won SB (Balt,Chi)
You're adding more to it than there is... I don't recall anyone saying we have a championship defense. The point is the defense is NOT the majority of the skins problems this year.
Anyone pointing fingers at the defense this year isn't capable of a coherent thought. Plain and simple, the defense played at a championship level, and our 17.9 points per game is 4th best, behind the Steelers, Ravens, and Titans. And better than the great Dallas, NYG, Philly with their big sack numbers, OK.
My apologies... I missed ONE Championship comment out of the plethora of others. I'll go hide in a corner.
In my defense, though, RayNAustin is one of those guys I tend to not give as much attention to because of the cut, paste, disect, bore me to death posts.
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:06 pm
by Bob 0119
The defense has played well, and IMO has been the only consistant strength this season.
Portis brings in a close second.
I agree that the offense is the problem but there is a four way combination of blame associated with it.
It's not just Jason
It's not just the recievers (or lack thereof)
It's not just the o-line
It's not just the predictable/inefficient playcalling
It's all of them combined. They each have a share of the responsibility.
When all four of them are on the same page, the Redskins seem to be able to move the ball, but as soon as any one of them breaks down, they go three and out and punt.
Sometimes it's because Jason holds onto the ball for too long, or leads his recievers.
Sometimes it's because Jason is running for his life because the pass protection has broken down.
Sometimes the pass protection is there and the ball is where it needs to be, but the reciever just drops it.
And when all of those things are perfect it usually results in a 5 yard pass on 3rd and 9.
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:09 pm
by PulpExposure
Bob 0119 wrote:The defense has played well, and IMO has been the only consistant strength this season.
Portis brings in a close second.
I agree that the offense is the problem but there is a four way combination of blame associated with it.
It's not just Jason
It's not just the recievers (or lack thereof)
It's not just the o-line
It's not just the predictable/inefficient playcalling
It's all of them combined. They each have a share of the responsibility.
When all four of them are on the same page, the Redskins seem to be able to move the ball, but as soon as any one of them breaks down, they go three and out and punt.
Sometimes it's because Jason holds onto the ball for too long, or leads his recievers.
Sometimes it's because Jason is running for his life because the pass protection has broken down.
Sometimes the pass protection is there and the ball is where it needs to be, but the reciever just drops it.
And when all of those things are perfect it usually results in a 5 yard pass on 3rd and 9.
Lol. That's exactly right.
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:28 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Bob 0119 wrote:The defense has played well, and IMO has been the only consistant strength this season.
Portis brings in a close second.
I agree that the offense is the problem but there is a four way combination of blame associated with it.
It's not just Jason
It's not just the recievers (or lack thereof)
It's not just the o-line
It's not just the predictable/inefficient playcalling
It's all of them combined. They each have a share of the responsibility.
When all four of them are on the same page, the Redskins seem to be able to move the ball, but as soon as any one of them breaks down, they go three and out and punt.
Sometimes it's because Jason holds onto the ball for too long, or leads his recievers.
Sometimes it's because Jason is running for his life because the pass protection has broken down.
Sometimes the pass protection is there and the ball is where it needs to be, but the reciever just drops it.
And when all of those things are perfect it usually results in a 5 yard pass on 3rd and 9.
Nice post.
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:11 am
by RayNAustin
VetSkinsFan wrote:DEHog wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:DEHog wrote:RayNAustin wrote:Anyone pointing fingers at the defense this year isn't capable of a coherent thought. Plain and simple, the defense played at a championship level, and our 17.9 points per game is 4th best, behind the Steelers, Ravens, and Titans. And better than the great Dallas, NYG, Philly with their big sack numbers, OK.
Once again, many here totally ignore the most important statistic....POINTS !
And like many other games this year, the win against the eagles was TOTALLY defense......as the pathetic offense was once again virtually useless....with their only TD coming off of a gift from the defense inside the Philthy 20.
When this pathetic group has managed to score 20 points (6 times this year) the Redskins are 6-0. (NFL average is 22 points per game) On the other hand, this offense has failed to score more than 14 points 8 times this year, 6 of which they failed to score more than 10 points.
Now....let's put one last baby to bed here.......that baby being how terribly pressured Jason Campbell is with his poor o-line....how he'd be so great if he had the hogs on the o-line, etc.
Guess what? Jason Campbell's career sack average is 1.8 per game so far. Now let's compare that little stat to Joe Theismann who over an 11 year career averaged 2.03 sacks per game. And, considering that Theismann was a much, MUCH better scrambler, better release, quicker decision maker than Campbell suggests that Jason Campbell would still be the inept QB he is even with the hogs in front of him.
Yes, Theismann had the hogs and he still was under more pressure than Campbell throughout his 11 year career. The difference between them is that Theismann was a play maker, and Campbell is an offense killer.
IMO Championship D's do two things are D doesn't do...
Sack and create TO
I'll add Championship D's don't miss the playoffs NY,Tenn,Pitt
Heck two D's won SB (Balt,Chi)
You're adding more to it than there is... I don't recall anyone saying we have a championship defense. The point is the defense is NOT the majority of the skins problems this year.
Anyone pointing fingers at the defense this year isn't capable of a coherent thought. Plain and simple, the defense played at a championship level, and our 17.9 points per game is 4th best, behind the Steelers, Ravens, and Titans. And better than the great Dallas, NYG, Philly with their big sack numbers, OK.
My apologies... I missed ONE Championship comment out of the plethora of others. I'll go hide in a corner.
In my defense, though, RayNAustin is one of those guys I tend to not give as much attention to because of the cut, paste, disect, bore me to death posts.
How bout the rules ?? Don't they apply to your high and mighty?
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:17 am
by SkinsFreak
RayNAustin wrote:How bout the rules ??
He didn't break any rules, Ray. He attacked your posts, not the poster. Check your PM's.
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:17 pm
by Deadskins
VetSkinsFan wrote:JSPB22 wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:What more do u want from this defense?
Is it too much to ask that they score a few points during a season? They got close yesterday, but still had to rely on the offense to put the ball in the endzone. I'm only partially joking here. They need to create more turnovers, and score occasionally.
When the offense is given a pass and you EXPECT the defense to score...there's nothing else to discuss. IT'S THE OFFENSE'S JOB TO GET IN THE END ZONE. THAT'S THEIR SOLE FREAKIN PURPOSE.
No one was giving the offense a pass. CLL asked what more the D could do, and I gave an answer.
