GIVE ZORN A CHANCE......BANDWAGON

[Thundersloth]

If any of us wanted to build up the redfskins, would we fire the first head coach hired after Joe Gibbs? "Even" if the tean "only" went 8 - 8?

I don't think we should fire Zorn after the first season, but having gone through this scenario before with Marty, I wouldn't be shocked, just like I wasn't shocked when Zorn was hired after the bassackwards way he was hired. Most coaches are going to want to hire their own guys. It's like, sure I trust you to make all the important on-the-field decisons, but I don't trust you to hire your own staff. Keep in mind, the OC and DC were both hired BEFORE the HC.

Dannyboy doesn't seem like the kind of guy who wants to go with the 7th choice and stand pat. Dannyboy reminds me of the guy at the party who is standing there talking to you but he's not looking at you, he's looking around for more important people to talk to and he'd leave you to talk to them at the drop of a hat. It seems Vinny was hired back to work under Joe Mendes BEFORE Marty was officially fired:

"Vinny was back, just like that. Snyder's trust in Cerrato should be underscored. Schottenheimer would not be fired for another few weeks, and there was no way Cerrato was coming back to work under him. Essentially, Cerrato knew Schottenheimer was gone before Schottenheimer."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02181.html

[Thundersloth]

I support Zorn. I believe in him. But I could never trust the Danny to give him the time he needs to succeed.

This has been a dysfunctional organization for a LONG time. People should stick to what they know best and never try to climb up to a level of sheer and complete incompetence. Dan Snyder has never been, is not and will never be a Football expert.

I have never had, do not have and will never have any confidence in Dan "the Clown" Snyder and his love partner Vinny "the Sidekick" Cerrato.

I do not feel that Dan Snyder will sell the team for as long as he reaps millions of dollars out of his organization notwithstanding his dismal record of failure. He is already counting on your renewed loyalty and interest to get you back to spend in 2009.

If you all and I as fans wish to REALLY do something to change things, thou shall stop putting your hard-earned money in the Danny's pockets. Money, the availability and lack of it, is the ONLY language Dan Snyder understands.

I decided not to put ANY of my money in his pocket for over a year now and I am still standing in my position. Join the Revolution and lets get rid of the Evil Empire.

Let the Force be with you.

RIC, I think I agree with every point you made. The only thing I can say is that Dannyboy has to realize he would make EVEN MORE MONEY if he put a winning product on the field. He's been the owner for 10 years and NOT ONE SINGLE COACH HAS HAD A WINNING RECORD. That should clue you in that something's not right. You can't give away draft picks if you want to build a winning franchise. You supplement through free-agency but you have to make sure the free-agent is the right fit for your team and shceme.

The only reason we weren't big players in the FA market last year was because we had no cap room. I'm not sure how accurate these figures are but they don't look good. We had $11 in dead cap money this year and looks like we have $6.6 million next year with most of that because of the Brandon Lloyd deal. http://www.adavidmooreorgans.com/pcinoz ... _Chart.htm

If Dannyboy had an executive that made as many bad decisions for his other ventures as he has with Redskins bad decisions, I'm sure they'd be fired. But I guess you can't fire yourself. That's why we don't know who exactly is the decision maker in the organization. Plausible deniability.

[PulpExposure]

The only reason we weren't big players in the FA market last year was because we had no cap room.

Thundersloth, we had enough cap room to take on Jason Taylor's 8 million cap number...so we certainly had cap room to sign a free agent or two (especially since FA signings are always backloaded so the first few years of a contract don't hurt much cap-wise).

[crazyhorse1]

Let me be straight about it. Kazoo must have cost us .....2..3 or 4 games himself with his insane libertarian rants. Just when our team collective started churning out the yards with selfless play, there was Kazoo screaming about the individual taking care of himself and the evil of the government (Danny boy and Zorn). Before we knew it, Portis was taking off every other play and giving Zorn the finger and the our cheerleaders were selling themselves to the Cowboys.

Thanks a lot, Kazoo. You and Adam Smith.

[Snout]

I don't know what the Redskins need to do to improve, but I am pretty sure a coaching change would be a complete disaster.

We finished right about where we were supposed to finish, so talking about a coaching change is madness. Maybe if we finished 2-14. But not 8-8.

Some might complain that the team collapsed after a 6-2 start. Sure enough the team collapsed, but why put that on the coaching staff? Because everyone figured out Zorn's offense and he did not mix things up enough? Even if that is the reason, consider that this was the first year Zorn designed an offense OR called plays. Give the man an offseason to strategize, think about his mistakes, and plan his next chess game.

I think we need to add more young players.

[RedskinsFreak]

I don't think you can really tell just how Zorn is as a coach or Campbell as a QB -- because the overall talent on this team is substandard.

They're trying to win the Daytona 500 in a 1998 Chevy Malibu.

The car can't compete and the mechanic charged with fixing it isn't ASE certified.

[Redskin in Canada]

The only thing I can say is that Dannyboy has to realize he would make EVEN MORE MONEY if he put a winning product on the field.

Yes, he would. But then his EGO would have to be put aside for business sake, Right? Good luck with that.

Besides, as bad as the records of this team have been throughout most of his ownership, he still makes PLENTY of money from it. In fact, this is his most profitable operation (some say the only one) at present.

No brother, the ONLY language he understands is RED INK.

Another round of expensive FAs will be signed. Another big name or two will show up somewhere. Some stupid fans will get excited AGAIN. The loyalty of the fan base will betray their logic and good judgment. Enough fans will still be back to buy merchandise. Most importantly, the corporate ticket season holders will be back. The sports endorsements and the TV NFL contract are not bad deals.

This team has only TWO options in order to have a chance succeed:

1) A good GM, which implies good support staff;

or

2) Force the hand of the Danny to do the above through public criticism, not putting more fans' money into his pockets, and STOP drinking the snake oil delivered EVERY offseason for a "promising" next season!!!

[VetSkinsFan]

I don't think we can categorize the Taylor signing as previous signings. It was a desparation move when we had TWO DEs goes down darn near simultaneously. He had a track record of good health. He had a FREAK injury by being kicked in the calf. Bad circumstances, but not a bad big name signing.

[Thundersloth]

The only reason we weren't big players in the FA market last year was because we had no cap room.

Thundersloth, we had enough cap room to take on Jason Taylor's 8 million cap number...so we certainly had cap room to sign a free agent or two (especially since FA signings are always backloaded so the first few years of a contract don't hurt much cap-wise).

Pulp, I thought I read somewhere that we weren't a big player in the FA market because of our cap and Dead Cap money. When I looked again the only article I saw was this:

"Our [salary] cap situation is okay," said Cerrato, the Redskins' executive vice president of football operations. "I just think there's a limited number of guys in free agency. The price of what guys are going to be paid is astronomical. I don't foresee us being a big player."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02836.html

So I may have been mistaken about that. I do find it interesting that we were NOT considering picking up D'Angelo Hall at first and then we sign him.

"The Atlanta Falcons reportedly are trying to trade cornerback DeAngelo Hall, but an NFL source said the Redskins are wary of Hall's reputation as a locker room troublemaker."

[VetSkinsFan]

The only reason we weren't big players in the FA market last year was because we had no cap room.

Thundersloth, we had enough cap room to take on Jason Taylor's 8 million cap number...so we certainly had cap room to sign a free agent or two (especially since FA signings are always backloaded so the first few years of a contract don't hurt much cap-wise).

Pulp, I thought I read somewhere that we weren't a big player in the FA market because of our cap and Dead Cap money. When I looked again the only article I saw was this:

"Our [salary] cap situation is okay," said Cerrato, the Redskins' executive vice president of football operations. "I just think there's a limited number of guys in free agency. The price of what guys are going to be paid is astronomical. I don't foresee us being a big player."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02836.html

So I may have been mistaken about that. I do find it interesting that we were NOT considering picking up D'Angelo Hall at first and then we sign him.

"The Atlanta Falcons reportedly are trying to trade cornerback DeAngelo Hall, but an NFL source said the Redskins are wary of Hall's reputation as a locker room troublemaker."

He's also a lot cheaper and less of a risk this way. It would have been stupid to ignore his talent at that price. It was a no risk situation to pick him up when the Raiders cut him. It's not all black and white with no circumstances.

[welch]

Last January, I was worried. I preferred Williams/Saunders and as much of the Gibbs staff and style as possible.

I wondered about Zorn, and disliked the fact that players talked about how happy they were to finally be free to "express themselves" and such.

When the team pulled together after the opening loss, I thought, well, maybe Zorn can do this his way.

This has been a bad way to end the season. Yes, the OL had injuries, but they had injuries last year and pounded teams in the last four games. Yes, they only have one breakaway receiver, and the draft should have given them at least one big, fast, WR. Still, they managed last year.

What's depressing is that the team often played without a spark when it mattered.

[SKINFAN]

welch, I agree, it's disheartening watching our guys play some games without emotional spark, hell, sometimes I think that I have more emotion yelling at the TV and biting the stress doll than the players do.

[Chris Luva Luva]

James Thrash played instead of our rookies, this confirms to me that this man is a fool. Just for that reason alone I find it hard to support him.

I look forward to more bullcrap blogs from redskins.com telling us how our trio looks awesome in practice.

[DEHog]

James Thrash played instead of our rookies, this confirms to me that this man is a fool. Just for that reason alone I find it hard to support him.

I look forward to more bullcrap blogs from redskins.com telling us how our trio looks awesome in practice.

I'll add this Chris...After the Browns game I talked to Kelly and asked him how the knee was and when would we see him out there...his reply..I thought I was going to be active today...I've been healthy for a few weeks

So that said to me that Zorn doesn't have much faith in him???

[BnGhog]

James Thrash played instead of our rookies, this confirms to me that this man is a fool. Just for that reason alone I find it hard to support him.

I look forward to more bullcrap blogs from redskins.com telling us how our trio looks awesome in practice.

You look forward to it?

Shoot man, they've looked good in practice all this year. You don't have to wait for that.

[welch]

I couldn't see the game, but Sonny & Sam (and that other guy) kept mentioning that Devin Thomas was ion for this or that play.

I wonder if:

- Thomas can't run the proper routes so Campbell doesn;t see him in the right place, or

- (Ugh) Campbell focuses on only one receiver...and I think he's learned better.

Anyone want Mark the Ripper to get into shape and come back to the Skins?

Did anyone think of Sammy Baugh, and the videos we have of the all-time greatest, as they read complaints about Campbell?

[Thundersloth]

I don't think we can categorize the Taylor signing as previous signings. It was a desparation move when we had TWO DEs goes down darn near simultaneously. He had a track record of good health. He had a FREAK injury by being kicked in the calf. Bad circumstances, but not a bad big name signing.

That means that what ever the opposite of the "Midas touch" is...Dannyboy has it. Keep in mind Jason Taylor doesn't think he was worth $8million.

[Thundersloth]

The only reason we weren't big players in the FA market last year was because we had no cap room.

Thundersloth, we had enough cap room to take on Jason Taylor's 8 million cap number...so we certainly had cap room to sign a free agent or two (especially since FA signings are always backloaded so the first few years of a contract don't hurt much cap-wise).

Pulp, I thought I read somewhere that we weren't a big player in the FA market because of our cap and Dead Cap money. When I looked again the only article I saw was this:

"Our [salary] cap situation is okay," said Cerrato, the Redskins' executive vice president of football operations. "I just think there's a limited number of guys in free agency. The price of what guys are going to be paid is astronomical. I don't foresee us being a big player."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02836.html

So I may have been mistaken about that. I do find it interesting that we were NOT considering picking up D'Angelo Hall at first and then we sign him.

"The Atlanta Falcons reportedly are trying to trade cornerback DeAngelo Hall, but an NFL source said the Redskins are wary of Hall's reputation as a locker room troublemaker."

He's also a lot cheaper and less of a risk this way. It would have been stupid to ignore his talent at that price. It was a no risk situation to pick him up when the Raiders cut him. It's not all black and white with no circumstances.

I agree, when D'Angelo showed no "bad boy" tendencies he was a much safer signing plus the closer he is to his momma, the better he'll behave.

[John Manfreda]

Its not his fault that JC constantly over throws Wr's, and takes an eternity to get rid of the ball. Once he gets a Qb he will do some damage.

[SkinsJock]

I will say I think that Zorn did not do as well as he should have as a coach this year but I will also say that I think he did enough to show everyone that there is a very good chance that he will be our HC again this coming year.

I think he has learned a lot from this year and I think this guy is adapting - it is disapointing that he seems so bent on not using the rookies more but I think that we will see that Zorn learned from his mistakes this coming year and that he will lead the team a little differently next year.

He needs to delegate more and be the HC - we will most likely see some new players but Zorn needs to get the team leaders to be the leaders on both offense and defense - the players (and coaches) should feel more accountability to each other - as welch alluded to, we need to see more spark from the players


I hope we see a very different QB next year (whether it's Cambell or not) and a very different type of play calling from our offensive co-ordinator as well - having one of the league's best RBs and not being in the top 5 in scoring offense is just not right. .

[VetSkinsFan]

I don't think we can categorize the Taylor signing as previous signings. It was a desparation move when we had TWO DEs goes down darn near simultaneously. He had a track record of good health. He had a FREAK injury by being kicked in the calf. Bad circumstances, but not a bad big name signing.

That means that what ever the opposite of the "Midas touch" is...Dannyboy has it. Keep in mind Jason Taylor doesn't think he was worth $8million.

You don't think he injury for over half the season has an impact on this opinion?

[roybus14]

I will say I think that Zorn did not do as well as he should have as a coach this year but I will also say that I think he did enough to show everyone that there is a very good chance that he will be our HC again this coming year.

I think he has learned a lot from this year and I think this guy is adapting - it is disapointing that he seems so bent on not using the rookies more but I think that we will see that Zorn learned from his mistakes this coming year and that he will lead the team a little differently next year.

He needs to delegate more and be the HC - we will most likely see some new players but Zorn needs to get the team leaders to be the leaders on both offense and defense - the players (and coaches) should feel more accountability to each other - as welch alluded to, we need to see more spark from the players


I hope we see a very different QB next year (whether it's Cambell or not) and a very different type of play calling from our offensive co-ordinator as well - having one of the league's best RBs and not being in the top 5 in scoring offense is just not right. .

I agree that he needs to delegate more, probably give up play calling but I'm not convinced that he has or will want to adapt. When we got to 6-2, everybody seem to either figure us out or he got conservative or he didn't know how to adjust to their adjustments.

[tribeofjudah]

I will say I think that Zorn did not do as well as he should have as a coach this year but I will also say that I think he did enough to show everyone that there is a very good chance that he will be our HC again this coming year.

I think he has learned a lot from this year and I think this guy is adapting - it is disapointing that he seems so bent on not using the rookies more but I think that we will see that Zorn learned from his mistakes this coming year and that he will lead the team a little differently next year.

He needs to delegate more and be the HC - we will most likely see some new players but Zorn needs to get the team leaders to be the leaders on both offense and defense - the players (and coaches) should feel more accountability to each other - as welch alluded to, we need to see more spark from the players


I hope we see a very different QB next year (whether it's Cambell or not) and a very different type of play calling from our offensive co-ordinator as well - having one of the league's best RBs and not being in the top 5 in scoring offense is just not right. .

I agree that he needs to delegate more, probably give up play calling but I'm not convinced that he has or will want to adapt. When we got to 6-2, everybody seem to either figure us out or he got conservative or he didn't know how to adjust to their adjustments.

Zorn does NOT want to give up play calling...that's his thing. He wants to match up minds with the best in the NFL.

So far, he is MEDUIM, AVERAGE..........50%, .50.............you get the picture?

[KazooSkinsFan]

na na na na hey hey hey good bye. Zorn himself is already mentally defeated calling himself the worst coach alive. So guess what i believe him..bye bye

is that you........portiz-2-skins.....???? Coming back in disguise, are you???

He cracked me up though, countering my Lennon song in Zorn's defense.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Did anyone really believe Zorn would go anywhere after one year?

Sadly for a lot of people media hyped reputation is a lot more powerful then facts. Snyder has a reputation for firing coaches. Snyder has fired one coach that he hired and one coach he didn't and who had almost a decade to show he was a mediocre coach. The Sports Center crowd says, Zorn didn't win a Super Bowl, he's FIRED!