Jason Taylor

[SkinsJock]

I also agree that before I'd let Taylor go I would discuss how he would be used next year (I do not think we game planned to suit his ability to our schemes) AND I would discuss what that is worth financially to him and to the team - he was way overpaid last year. I would not just let this guy loose without thinking about how we could benefit from his abilities if used correctly for the right price.

I cannot see a number of players being here next year - players like Thrash, Griffin Cartwright and more have done well for us but it is time to let a lot of these guys go and use the players that offer the most amount of versatility. We need to get more from our players than just contributing in certain areas UNLESS they are our super stars - we need to get younger players involved.

I also am not ready to give up on Campbell as our QB BUT while he's the best chance to make our offense better he just does not seem to be as good as we need and I'd hope that we have a plan B for our QB situation in place in the next few months. Whatever this is needs to be a part of the QB competition this off-season.

[Bob 0119]

I'd like to see Taylor stick around, but it's a heckuva risk. We already paid him $8 million with little return on the investment. He's a huge cap hit next year, so I wouldn't be too disappointed if we could get some picks for him.

I don't think we'll necessarily get a first rounder or anything, but someone may be willing to cough up something for him as they will recognize that he was not his usual self this year, largely due to injury. Someone might be willing to take the risk on him.

We should get Daniels back next year so DE is not necessarily in awful shape. Maybe if we could get some good DT's though.

I'm not at all opposed to an open QB competition, and am encouraged by the fact that Zorn hasn't come out and named Jason the indisputable starter for next year (al-la Joe Gibbs with Ramsey and Brunell). I actually agree that Jason is missing that intangible "playmaking ability" that you just can't teach.

I think he's a capable QB, just not a playmaker.

I'd prefer to see the O-line addressed before the D-line. I think Thomas and Jansen are only going to get more injury prone, but I also worry about how much longer Kendall can keep doing this with his bad knees.

I agree that the LB position does need at least one more starter.

I think Springs should be cut or traded (traded would be preferable, but I doubt we'll get much for him) and Hall and Rogers should be the starting corners for next year. If we can't trade Springs (or cut him for whatever reason), then I agree he should be moved to Safety and we should leave that position alone. Springs, Landry, Moore and Horton should be plenty.

I think Suisham needs to be replaced, but I think Plackemeier was looking a lot better towards the end of the season, and would keep him around.

I'd certainly like to see ARE removed from punt returns and replaced by Moss, which would be possible if Thomas and Kelly can be ready to be starters this year.

I'd trade away Betts, and try and get a younger RB to back up and share responsibilities with Portis. I'd keep Cartwright because he is invaluable to the kick return as he almost always gets us to the 30 or better.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

[CanesSkins26]

We should get Daniels back next year so DE is not necessarily in awful shape. Maybe if we could get some good DT's though.

I disagree. Our entire defensive line is in awful shape. Carter, despite playing poorly this year, is our only real starting caliber player on that unit. Griffin and Taylor are likely gone so that leaves us with Evans and Daniels, who will be 36 when the season starts and coming off of a serious injury, as our other options to start. Neither of them is going to improve out pass rush. On the interior Golston and Montgomery are not starting caliber. Neither is able to generate any sort of push up the middle. Both of our lines need MAJOR work.

[Bob 0119]

We should get Daniels back next year so DE is not necessarily in awful shape. Maybe if we could get some good DT's though.

I disagree. Our entire defensive line is in awful shape. Carter, despite playing poorly this year, is our only real starting caliber player on that unit. Griffin and Taylor are likely gone so that leaves us with Evans and Daniels, who will be 36 when the season starts and coming off of a serious injury, as our other options to start. Neither of them is going to improve out pass rush. On the interior Golston and Montgomery are not starting caliber. Neither is able to generate any sort of push up the middle. Both of our lines need MAJOR work.

My thing is that I don't know how much of our lack of pass rush is due to the inability of our players to get to the QB, or the way the play is called.

It would seem that our D-line is used more for containment than QB pressure; relying on the corners to play the ball.

I got a chance to meet Philip Daniels in November and he wasn't even limping. Granted he wasn't playing football, so he may not have been in "football shape" but it certainly looks promising for this year.

My assement on the D-line comes from the fact that the defense played infinately better than our offense. Thus the O-line would seem to be the more pressing concern.

[KazooSkinsFan]

My assement on the D-line comes from the fact that the defense played infinately better than our offense. Thus the O-line would seem to be the more pressing concern.

I totally agree with you, Bob. Nothing we do to the D line is going to help us score more the 10 points a game and no D is good enough to win Super Bowl's with offenses that are THAT bad. Not that we ignore the D line, it would be nice to bring in some youth and talent, but focus on that? Makes no sense.

[PulpExposure]

This is going to be my message all offseason. I will stick to it before and after free agency and the draft:

Jason Taylor: get rid of him before next year. Taylor and Springs; IMO they should both be gone. And Griffin. Talk about cutting some (financial) fat from our defense: if we can manage to unload those guys, then we will be ready to build. (It's time to let go, once and for all, the notion that Griffin will ever be a consistent starter.)

I'd also like to see at least one current OL starter gone before next year, preferably two. At least one of our WRs and one of our RBs (I'm thinking Thrash and/or Rock, as much as I love both players). We need a longer-term solution at KR/PR; Rock is taking up too much valuable roster space not to also play PR.

I haven't given up on Jason Campbell, but he is simply not on pace to be a top-notch QB. I don't know. . .he's not a change I'd pursue as of next year.

I don't think we are in as bad of shape as half of the teams in this league. This conversation begins and ends with our defensive and offensive lines. Three changes: a stud offensive tackle and serviceable guard plus a big defensive tackle with push, would alone make a HUGE difference in our game.

Then there is the matter of a kicker and punter. . .


Yes, we will need replacements for all of these changes I propose. Maybe they can't all happen this offseason. But I think addressing 3-5 of these concerns isn't out of reach—and we won't have to "reach" with draft pick trades to get there.

So that's what I'm sticking to this offseason on THN.

This man has it 100% right. I'm onboard for this.

I wrote that a while ago and will be sticking to it. If it wasn't so damn long I'd have it as my signature.

If I added anything to this, it'd be that I'd open the QB competition a smidgen at camp. JC needs some fire under his butt.

Completely agree with you two (including the open QB competition).

[KazooSkinsFan]

This is going to be my message all offseason. I will stick to it before and after free agency and the draft:

Jason Taylor: get rid of him before next year. Taylor and Springs; IMO they should both be gone. And Griffin. Talk about cutting some (financial) fat from our defense: if we can manage to unload those guys, then we will be ready to build. (It's time to let go, once and for all, the notion that Griffin will ever be a consistent starter.)

I'd also like to see at least one current OL starter gone before next year, preferably two. At least one of our WRs and one of our RBs (I'm thinking Thrash and/or Rock, as much as I love both players). We need a longer-term solution at KR/PR; Rock is taking up too much valuable roster space not to also play PR.

I haven't given up on Jason Campbell, but he is simply not on pace to be a top-notch QB. I don't know. . .he's not a change I'd pursue as of next year.

I don't think we are in as bad of shape as half of the teams in this league. This conversation begins and ends with our defensive and offensive lines. Three changes: a stud offensive tackle and serviceable guard plus a big defensive tackle with push, would alone make a HUGE difference in our game.

Then there is the matter of a kicker and punter. . .


Yes, we will need replacements for all of these changes I propose. Maybe they can't all happen this offseason. But I think addressing 3-5 of these concerns isn't out of reach—and we won't have to "reach" with draft pick trades to get there.

So that's what I'm sticking to this offseason on THN.

This man has it 100% right. I'm onboard for this.

I wrote that a while ago and will be sticking to it. If it wasn't so damn long I'd have it as my signature.

If I added anything to this, it'd be that I'd open the QB competition a smidgen at camp. JC needs some fire under his butt.

Completely agree with you two (including the open QB competition).

It makes sense, there's no way that JC has played well enough to feel invulnerable to competition. However, I have a hard time seeing anyone we have pressing him for the starting role. Maybe Colt eventually, definitely not TC. I like TC as a backup, but I have a hard time seeing him replace JC as an upgrade at starter.

[CanesSkins26]

However, I have a hard time seeing anyone we have pressing him for the starting role. Maybe Colt eventually, definitely not TC.

That's the reason why I was suggesting that we try and draft a qb in the middle rounds of the draft. Brennan is a long-term project and TC isn't starting caliber. At this point an open competition would be almost pointless given the qb's that we have on the roster.

[KazooSkinsFan]

However, I have a hard time seeing anyone we have pressing him for the starting role. Maybe Colt eventually, definitely not TC.

That's the reason why I was suggesting that we try and draft a qb in the middle rounds of the draft. Brennan is a long-term project and TC isn't starting caliber. At this point an open competition would be almost pointless given the qb's that we have on the roster.

The problem with that is that another mid round QB is probably going to be a project too and we have a lot bigger upgrade needs to use our #1 on then QB right now considering that JC is at least improving and seems to have a solid relationship with Zorn. Zorn being a QB and QB coach seems to be the right formula for JC. Again, I'm totally open to "competition," but NFL caliber starting QBs are hard to come by and are almost always projects (most of which fail) or cost a lot of resources, resources given our inability to score more then 10 points or rush the QB says we don't have right now if we have a good quarterback even if he's not a great quarterback.

[CanesSkins26]

However, I have a hard time seeing anyone we have pressing him for the starting role. Maybe Colt eventually, definitely not TC.

That's the reason why I was suggesting that we try and draft a qb in the middle rounds of the draft. Brennan is a long-term project and TC isn't starting caliber. At this point an open competition would be almost pointless given the qb's that we have on the roster.

The problem with that is that another mid round QB is probably going to be a project too and we have a lot bigger upgrade needs to use our #1 on then QB right now considering that JC is at least improving and seems to have a solid relationship with Zorn. Zorn being a QB and QB coach seems to be the right formula for JC. Again, I'm totally open to "competition," but NFL caliber starting QBs are hard to come by and are almost always projects (most of which fail) or cost a lot of resources, resources given our inability to score more then 10 points or rush the QB says we don't have right now if we have a good quarterback even if he's not a great quarterback.

Normally I would agree with you about mid-round qbs. However, the draft is very deep in quarterbacks and I think that we could get a guy in the third round that could be ready to go in a year or two, especially if Sanchez and/or McCoy leave early.

[PulpExposure]

However, I have a hard time seeing anyone we have pressing him for the starting role. Maybe Colt eventually, definitely not TC.

That's the reason why I was suggesting that we try and draft a qb in the middle rounds of the draft. Brennan is a long-term project and TC isn't starting caliber. At this point an open competition would be almost pointless given the qb's that we have on the roster.

The problem with that is that another mid round QB is probably going to be a project too and we have a lot bigger upgrade needs to use our #1 on then QB right now considering that JC is at least improving and seems to have a solid relationship with Zorn. Zorn being a QB and QB coach seems to be the right formula for JC. Again, I'm totally open to "competition," but NFL caliber starting QBs are hard to come by and are almost always projects (most of which fail) or cost a lot of resources, resources given our inability to score more then 10 points or rush the QB says we don't have right now if we have a good quarterback even if he's not a great quarterback.

Normally I would agree with you about mid-round qbs. However, the draft is very deep in quarterbacks and I think that we could get a guy in the third round that could be ready to go in a year or two, especially if Sanchez and/or McCoy leave early.

We have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds...and you want to spend one of them on a QB??

[CanesSkins26]

However, I have a hard time seeing anyone we have pressing him for the starting role. Maybe Colt eventually, definitely not TC.

That's the reason why I was suggesting that we try and draft a qb in the middle rounds of the draft. Brennan is a long-term project and TC isn't starting caliber. At this point an open competition would be almost pointless given the qb's that we have on the roster.

The problem with that is that another mid round QB is probably going to be a project too and we have a lot bigger upgrade needs to use our #1 on then QB right now considering that JC is at least improving and seems to have a solid relationship with Zorn. Zorn being a QB and QB coach seems to be the right formula for JC. Again, I'm totally open to "competition," but NFL caliber starting QBs are hard to come by and are almost always projects (most of which fail) or cost a lot of resources, resources given our inability to score more then 10 points or rush the QB says we don't have right now if we have a good quarterback even if he's not a great quarterback.

Normally I would agree with you about mid-round qbs. However, the draft is very deep in quarterbacks and I think that we could get a guy in the third round that could be ready to go in a year or two, especially if Sanchez and/or McCoy leave early.

We have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds...and you want to spend one of them on a QB??

Ideally, no. But JC is not the answer and I would put qb right up there with dline and oline as our biggest needs. We need to get a qb from somewhere and the free agent market for qbs is really thin. Next year's draft isn't going to be as deep as this year's when it comes to qbs.

[redskins14ru]

get a qb auuuuuugh not that

[KazooSkinsFan]

Normally I would agree with you about mid-round qbs. However, the draft is very deep in quarterbacks and I think that we could get a guy in the third round that could be ready to go in a year or two, especially if Sanchez and/or McCoy leave early.

We have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds...and you want to spend one of them on a QB??

I think we should use one on a TE to compete with ey. The guy's not getting any competition at all, I'm afraid he'll get lazy. What do you think, Pulp?

[ChocolateMilk]

drafting a QB 2 years in a row would be a huge mistake.. stick with Campbell and develop Brennan. By the time the team has totally given up on Campbell or he turns out to be a solid starter(which i think is more likely, just get him some protection and some time. i mean hes only had 1 full 16 game season.) Brennan should be ready to go IF hes ever ready to go. you never know in this league. But why draft another project QB when we already have 1 and a solid back up. it makes no sense at all.

[PulpExposure]

Normally I would agree with you about mid-round qbs. However, the draft is very deep in quarterbacks and I think that we could get a guy in the third round that could be ready to go in a year or two, especially if Sanchez and/or McCoy leave early.

We have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds...and you want to spend one of them on a QB??

I think we should use one on a TE to compete with ey. The guy's not getting any competition at all, I'm afraid he'll get lazy. What do you think, Pulp?

I was thinking we draft safety and WR with our top 2 picks, of course.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Normally I would agree with you about mid-round qbs. However, the draft is very deep in quarterbacks and I think that we could get a guy in the third round that could be ready to go in a year or two, especially if Sanchez and/or McCoy leave early.

We have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds...and you want to spend one of them on a QB??

I think we should use one on a TE to compete with ey. The guy's not getting any competition at all, I'm afraid he'll get lazy. What do you think, Pulp?

I was thinking we draft safety and WR with our top 2 picks, of course.

I like the thought. Another option is we sign Hall and then draft a CB with our first pick to push him. If Hall wants too much money and we can't sign him then I think we should bad drafting a CB and go with the WR and Safety.

[crazyhorse1]

Normally I would agree with you about mid-round qbs. However, the draft is very deep in quarterbacks and I think that we could get a guy in the third round that could be ready to go in a year or two, especially if Sanchez and/or McCoy leave early.

We have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds...and you want to spend one of them on a QB??

I think we should use one on a TE to compete with ey. The guy's not getting any competition at all, I'm afraid he'll get lazy. What do you think, Pulp?

Yeah, we have to draft high to keep Landry tuned also, and we could always use another back up RB to keep Portis, Betts, and Rock on the ball.

Here's the new draft concept: Spend the highest picks on positions that are already filled by superstars.

[Countertrey]

Normally I would agree with you about mid-round qbs. However, the draft is very deep in quarterbacks and I think that we could get a guy in the third round that could be ready to go in a year or two, especially if Sanchez and/or McCoy leave early.

We have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds...and you want to spend one of them on a QB??

I think we should use one on a TE to compete with ey. The guy's not getting any competition at all, I'm afraid he'll get lazy. What do you think, Pulp?

Yeah, we have to draft high to keep Landry tuned also, and we could always use another back up RB to keep Portis, Betts, and Rock on the ball.

Here's the new draft concept: Spend the highest picks on positions that are already filled by superstars.

So, are you saying you think we should draft a Quarterback?

[old-timer]

Here's the new draft concept: Spend the highest picks on positions that are already filled by superstars.

That's not new, Danny and Vinny started doing that last year with that excellent TE pick. Always ahead of the curve, those guys. Rocket surgeons.

[Deadskins]

Rocket surgeons.