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Posted: **Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:35 pm**

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm sitting here rewatching the game in glorious high definition and I see where Durant signaled to start the snap prematurely... You see Frosty start start stepping forward before they all realize that the ref is still standing over the LOS.

Stupid mental error on Durrants part...

It doesn't excuse Frosty for missing that FG...IMHO. So what if Durrant iced him?!?! The opposing teams are going to ice him all year long and we all know that Frosty melts when the heat is on.

Is it on NFL Network?

Nope, on my PC.

Two questions:
1. Who forced James' fumble, Rocky or Reed?
2. Which way were the laces facing on the FG attmpt you just mentioned, where Brooks iced Shazam?

Posted: **Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:49 pm**

I'll try to get some screenshots but it's very hard to see the laces. Brooks is casting a shadow over the ball but it appears that if the ball was a clock facing Brooks...., the laces were at 7 o'clock. I'm guessing because I can kinda see a reflection that I would only assume would be the white laces.

What quarter is the fumble in?

Posted: **Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:59 pm**

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'll try to get some screenshots but it's very hard to see the laces. Brooks is casting a shadow over the ball but it appears that if the ball was a clock facing Brooks...., the laces were at 7 o'clock. I'm guessing because I can kinda see a reflection that I would only assume would be the white laces.

What quarter is the fumble in?

The first. It led to our FG that made it 10-0.

I think there was a replay that showed the laces better than the actual play.

Posted: **Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:00 pm**

JSPB22 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'll try to get some screenshots but it's very hard to see the laces. Brooks is casting a shadow over the ball but it appears that if the ball was a clock facing Brooks...., the laces were at 7 o'clock. I'm guessing because I can kinda see a reflection that I would only assume would be the white laces.

What quarter is the fumble in?

The first. It led to our FG that made it 10-0.

I think there was a replay that showed the laces better than the actual play.

Per NFL.com, the credit for the forced fumble was given to Rocky, I think we can trust that

Posted: **Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:09 pm**

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm sitting here rewatching the game in glorious high definition and I see where Durant signaled to start the snap prematurely... You see Frosty start start stepping forward before they all realize that the ref is still standing over the LOS.

Stupid mental error on Durrants part...

It doesn't excuse Frosty for missing that FG...IMHO. So what if Durrant iced him?!?! The opposing teams are going to ice him all year long and we all know that Frosty melts when the heat is on.

FROSTY!!!

Fios wrote:Per NFL.com, the credit for the forced fumble was given to Rocky, I think we can trust that

I already tried that exact statement & link in the other thread, lol. Apparently, NFL.com isn't a reputable authority to JSPB22.

Posted: **Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:20 pm**

PulpExposure wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm sitting here rewatching the game in glorious high definition and I see where Durant signaled to start the snap prematurely... You see Frosty start start stepping forward before they all realize that the ref is still standing over the LOS.

Stupid mental error on Durrants part...

It doesn't excuse Frosty for missing that FG...IMHO. So what if Durrant iced him?!?! The opposing teams are going to ice him all year long and we all know that Frosty melts when the heat is on.

FROSTY!!!

Fios wrote:Per NFL.com, the credit for the forced fumble was given to Rocky, I think we can trust that

I already tried that exact statement & link in the other thread, lol. Apparently, NFL.com isn't a reputable authority to JSPB22.

Who am I going to believe, NFL.com or my lying eyes? I linked to the video of the play in the other thread, and even though it is a poor angle and pretty far away you can still see that Rocky hits him in the back a split second after Reed hits him in the bread basket. Reed got his helmet on the ball, which is what caused the fumble, so no, I don't think the stats are accurate. I was hoping CLL could watch the replay and settle the matter once and for all. Also wanted confirmation on the laces just for you, Fios.

Posted: **Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:28 pm**

Can someone give me an idea of when the fumble occurred?

Posted: **Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:34 pm**

He'll get better. He's a good punter. He's just nervous as heck

Posted: **Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:28 am**

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Can someone give me an idea of when the fumble occurred?

1st quarter. It led to our FG that made it 10-0.

Posted: **Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:30 am**

For what its worth, I too thought it was Doughty that caused it by putting his hat on the ball.

Posted: **Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:08 am**

I posted the screenshot in the Reed thread.

http://www.thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=409733#409733

Posted: **Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:16 pm**

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/sortableSt ... descending

1 Donnie Jones, StL 20 1037 51.9 63 5 25.0 0 0.0 0 42.2
2 Shane Lechler, Oak 15 739 49.3 67 6 40.0 4 26.7 0 39.6
3 Sam Koch, Bal 8 387 48.4 59 1 12.5 0 0.0 0 44.0
4 Dustin Colquitt, KC 20 963 48.2 73 10 50.0 1 5.0 0 42.9
5 Derrick Frost, Was 14 663 47.4 65 1 7.1 2 14.3 0 40.6
6 Mat McBriar, Dal 8 379 47.4 65 2 25.0 0 0.0 0 41.5
7 Chris Hanson, NE 10 473 47.3 70 2 20.0 4 40.0 0 37.6
8 Brian Moorman, Buf 17 800 47.1 62 5 29.4 1 5.9 0 39.2
9 Saverio Rocca, Phi 12 563 46.9 64 6 50.0 1 8.3 0 44.1
10 Chris Kluwe, Min 16 740 46.3 56 6 37.5 1 6.3 0 35.1
11 Steve Weatherford, NO 14 647 46.2 61 2 14.3 2 14.3 0 37.3
12 Jason Baker, Car 15 681 45.4 59 9 60.0 0 0.0 1 39.9
13 Dave Zastudil, Cle 17 769 45.2 59 5 29.4 3 17.6 0 39.9
14 Craig Hentrich, Ten 19 856 45.1 70 5 26.3 3 15.8 0 34.9
15 Hunter Smith, Ind 12 541 45.1 60 5 41.7 0 0.0 0 39.4
16 Josh Bidwell, TB 19 854 44.9 61 7 36.8 1 5.3 0 39.8
17 Adam Podlesh, Jac 11 484 44.0 60 5 45.5 2 18.2 0 35.5
18 Mitch Berger, Pit 14 609 43.5 55 7 50.0 0 0.0 0 39.2
19 Matt Turk, Hou 8 343 42.9 57 3 37.5 1 12.5 0 38.9
20 Ben Graham, NYJ 12 510 42.5 56 2 16.7 0 0.0 0 34.9
21 Kyle Larson, Cin 18 765 42.5 56 4 22.2 0 0.0 1 34.5
22 Dirk Johnson, Ari 10 424 42.4 59 5 50.0 2 20.0 0 37.8
23 Andy Lee, SF 10 420 42.0 59 3 30.0 1 10.0 0 32.9
24 Jeff Feagles, NYG 11 461 41.9 54 5 45.5 1 9.1 0 36.8
25 Brandon Fields, Mia 16 661 41.3 60 6 37.5 0 0.0 0 34.1
26 Nick Harris, Det 17 702 41.3 57 7 41.2 0 0.0 0 37.9
27 Ryan Plackemeier, Sea 11 450 40.9 56 2 18.2 0 0.0 0 30.0
28 Brad Maynard, Chi 18 734 40.8 55 7 38.9 1 5.6 0 37.3
29 Michael Koenen, Atl 14 555 39.6 55 5 35.7 0 0.0 0 38.6
30 Durant Brooks, Was 13 502 38.6 56

Gotta get better then this...

Posted: **Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:56 am**

He will. His first two games are bringing his average down.

Posted: **Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:57 pm**

mastdark81 wrote:http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/sortableStats?div=NFL&season=regular&stable=punting&stat=puntAvg&dir=descending

1 Donnie Jones, StL 20 1037 51.9 63 5 25.0 0 0.0 0 42.2
2 Shane Lechler, Oak 15 739 49.3 67 6 40.0 4 26.7 0 39.6
3 Sam Koch, Bal 8 387 48.4 59 1 12.5 0 0.0 0 44.0
4 Dustin Colquitt, KC 20 963 48.2 73 10 50.0 1 5.0 0 42.9
5 Derrick Frost, Was 14 663 47.4 65 1 7.1 2 14.3 0 40.6
6 Mat McBriar, Dal 8 379 47.4 65 2 25.0 0 0.0 0 41.5
7 Chris Hanson, NE 10 473 47.3 70 2 20.0 4 40.0 0 37.6
8 Brian Moorman, Buf 17 800 47.1 62 5 29.4 1 5.9 0 39.2
9 Saverio Rocca, Phi 12 563 46.9 64 6 50.0 1 8.3 0 44.1
10 Chris Kluwe, Min 16 740 46.3 56 6 37.5 1 6.3 0 35.1
11 Steve Weatherford, NO 14 647 46.2 61 2 14.3 2 14.3 0 37.3
12 Jason Baker, Car 15 681 45.4 59 9 60.0 0 0.0 1 39.9
13 Dave Zastudil, Cle 17 769 45.2 59 5 29.4 3 17.6 0 39.9
14 Craig Hentrich, Ten 19 856 45.1 70 5 26.3 3 15.8 0 34.9
15 Hunter Smith, Ind 12 541 45.1 60 5 41.7 0 0.0 0 39.4
16 Josh Bidwell, TB 19 854 44.9 61 7 36.8 1 5.3 0 39.8
17 Adam Podlesh, Jac 11 484 44.0 60 5 45.5 2 18.2 0 35.5
18 Mitch Berger, Pit 14 609 43.5 55 7 50.0 0 0.0 0 39.2
19 Matt Turk, Hou 8 343 42.9 57 3 37.5 1 12.5 0 38.9
20 Ben Graham, NYJ 12 510 42.5 56 2 16.7 0 0.0 0 34.9
21 Kyle Larson, Cin 18 765 42.5 56 4 22.2 0 0.0 1 34.5
22 Dirk Johnson, Ari 10 424 42.4 59 5 50.0 2 20.0 0 37.8
23 Andy Lee, SF 10 420 42.0 59 3 30.0 1 10.0 0 32.9
24 Jeff Feagles, NYG 11 461 41.9 54 5 45.5 1 9.1 0 36.8
25 Brandon Fields, Mia 16 661 41.3 60 6 37.5 0 0.0 0 34.1
26 Nick Harris, Det 17 702 41.3 57 7 41.2 0 0.0 0 37.9
27 Ryan Plackemeier, Sea 11 450 40.9 56 2 18.2 0 0.0 0 30.0
28 Brad Maynard, Chi 18 734 40.8 55 7 38.9 1 5.6 0 37.3
29 Michael Koenen, Atl 14 555 39.6 55 5 35.7 0 0.0 0 38.6
30 Durant Brooks, Was 13 502 38.6 56

Gotta get better then this...

What's your point? I just gave you Frost's stats for the Skins in a previous post. He routinely was at the bottom of the league in Yds/punt and Net Average. We just traded talent for a guy who was given a chance and didn't or couldn't take it.

And of course, there was that one incident in Indy when he took off his helmet giving us a 15 yd penalty when we were starting to come back. If you want my opinion, he should have been cut then.

By the way, when was the last really good Redskin punter?

Tom Tupa?
Bryan Barker?
Craig Jarrett?
Tommy Barnhardt?
Brian Hansen?

None of these guys are exactly Ray Guy. The only two guys who qualified as good punters were Matt Turk and, my personal favorite, Reggie Roby (who used to wear a watch when he punted)...and we ran Turk and his brother out of town after the missed snap and hold in the playoff game.

Face it, the Skins is wear old punters and kickers come to die. At least we're taking a chance on a younger guy with some potential.

Posted: **Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:22 pm**

What happened to #31 and #32? Are there two teams that don't have a punter, or are you trying to make it look like he's the worst out there?

Posted: **Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:56 pm**

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:
mastdark81 wrote:http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/sortableStats?div=NFL&season=regular&stable=punting&stat=puntAvg&dir=descending

1 Donnie Jones, StL 20 1037 51.9 63 5 25.0 0 0.0 0 42.2
2 Shane Lechler, Oak 15 739 49.3 67 6 40.0 4 26.7 0 39.6
3 Sam Koch, Bal 8 387 48.4 59 1 12.5 0 0.0 0 44.0
4 Dustin Colquitt, KC 20 963 48.2 73 10 50.0 1 5.0 0 42.9
5 Derrick Frost, Was 14 663 47.4 65 1 7.1 2 14.3 0 40.6
6 Mat McBriar, Dal 8 379 47.4 65 2 25.0 0 0.0 0 41.5
7 Chris Hanson, NE 10 473 47.3 70 2 20.0 4 40.0 0 37.6
8 Brian Moorman, Buf 17 800 47.1 62 5 29.4 1 5.9 0 39.2
9 Saverio Rocca, Phi 12 563 46.9 64 6 50.0 1 8.3 0 44.1
10 Chris Kluwe, Min 16 740 46.3 56 6 37.5 1 6.3 0 35.1
11 Steve Weatherford, NO 14 647 46.2 61 2 14.3 2 14.3 0 37.3
12 Jason Baker, Car 15 681 45.4 59 9 60.0 0 0.0 1 39.9
13 Dave Zastudil, Cle 17 769 45.2 59 5 29.4 3 17.6 0 39.9
14 Craig Hentrich, Ten 19 856 45.1 70 5 26.3 3 15.8 0 34.9
15 Hunter Smith, Ind 12 541 45.1 60 5 41.7 0 0.0 0 39.4
16 Josh Bidwell, TB 19 854 44.9 61 7 36.8 1 5.3 0 39.8
17 Adam Podlesh, Jac 11 484 44.0 60 5 45.5 2 18.2 0 35.5
18 Mitch Berger, Pit 14 609 43.5 55 7 50.0 0 0.0 0 39.2
19 Matt Turk, Hou 8 343 42.9 57 3 37.5 1 12.5 0 38.9
20 Ben Graham, NYJ 12 510 42.5 56 2 16.7 0 0.0 0 34.9
21 Kyle Larson, Cin 18 765 42.5 56 4 22.2 0 0.0 1 34.5
22 Dirk Johnson, Ari 10 424 42.4 59 5 50.0 2 20.0 0 37.8
23 Andy Lee, SF 10 420 42.0 59 3 30.0 1 10.0 0 32.9
24 Jeff Feagles, NYG 11 461 41.9 54 5 45.5 1 9.1 0 36.8
25 Brandon Fields, Mia 16 661 41.3 60 6 37.5 0 0.0 0 34.1
26 Nick Harris, Det 17 702 41.3 57 7 41.2 0 0.0 0 37.9
27 Ryan Plackemeier, Sea 11 450 40.9 56 2 18.2 0 0.0 0 30.0
28 Brad Maynard, Chi 18 734 40.8 55 7 38.9 1 5.6 0 37.3
29 Michael Koenen, Atl 14 555 39.6 55 5 35.7 0 0.0 0 38.6
30 Durant Brooks, Was 13 502 38.6 56

Gotta get better then this...

What's your point? I just gave you Frost's stats for the Skins in a previous post. He routinely was at the bottom of the league in Yds/punt and Net Average. We just traded talent for a guy who was given a chance and didn't or couldn't take it.

And of course, there was that one incident in Indy when he took off his helmet giving us a 15 yd penalty when we were starting to come back. If you want my opinion, he should have been cut then.

By the way, when was the last really good Redskin punter?

Tom Tupa?
Bryan Barker?
Craig Jarrett?
Tommy Barnhardt?
Brian Hansen?

None of these guys are exactly Ray Guy. The only two guys who qualified as good punters were Matt Turk and, my personal favorite, Reggie Roby (who used to wear a watch when he punted)...and we ran Turk and his brother out of town after the missed snap and hold in the playoff game.

Face it, the Skins is wear old punters and kickers come to die. At least we're taking a chance on a younger guy with some potential.

My point was we have to get better at punting. I didn't mention Frost at all. Thats over with...once again we need better punting from the guy we have.

Posted: **Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:58 pm**

JSPB22 wrote:What happened to #31 and #32? Are there two teams that don't have a punter, or are you trying to make it look like he's the worst out there?

I'm not trying to make it look like nothing. On the link that was provided if you had looked you would see they rank top 30 thats it. Check it for yourself, maybe Fox is trying to make him look like the worst... :roll:

If you want to add two more guys to the bottom of that list feel free if that make you feel better.

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:16 am**

mastdark81 wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:What happened to #31 and #32? Are there two teams that don't have a punter, or are you trying to make it look like he's the worst out there?

I'm not trying to make it look like nothing. On the link that was provided if you had looked you would see they rank top 30 thats it. Check it for yourself, maybe Fox is trying to make him look like the worst...

If you want to add two more guys to the bottom of that list feel free if that make you feel better.

I didn't click on the link, because you provided the list. I apologize for jumping to the conclusion that you had left the final two off, rather than FOX. But I still say his average numbers are down because he had a bad first two weeks. I think that roughing penalty hit he took in the G-strings game rattled him a bit. He's gotten it out of his head now, and should be back to the kicker we saw in the pre-season. He still needs work on his holding, though.

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:42 pm**

JSPB22 wrote:
mastdark81 wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:What happened to #31 and #32? Are there two teams that don't have a punter, or are you trying to make it look like he's the worst out there?

I'm not trying to make it look like nothing. On the link that was provided if you had looked you would see they rank top 30 thats it. Check it for yourself, maybe Fox is trying to make him look like the worst...

If you want to add two more guys to the bottom of that list feel free if that make you feel better.

I didn't click on the link, because you provided the list. I apologize for jumping to the conclusion that you had left the final two off, rather than FOX. But I still say his average numbers are down because he had a bad first two weeks. I think that roughing penalty hit he took in the G-strings game rattled him a bit. He's gotten it out of his head now, and should be back to the kicker we saw in the pre-season. He still needs work on his holding, though.

Fair enough...GREAT GAME BY DURANT BROOKS TODAY...

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:55 pm**

Props to Brooks. He played very well today.

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:56 pm**

SkinsFreak wrote:Props to Brooks. He played very well today.

At least better than the last couple of games.

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:57 pm**

Haven wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:Props to Brooks. He played very well today.

At least better than the last couple of games.

That's called improvement. For a rookie, that's what you want to see.

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:00 pm**

SkinsFreak wrote:
Haven wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:Props to Brooks. He played very well today.

At least better than the last couple of games.

That's called improvement. For a rookie, that's what you want to see.

Oh, I wasn't knocking him or anything. You're right.

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:30 pm**

Brooks had a very good game today. Compare his stats today with the previous few games, and then compare today's game with Frost's game in Green Bay. That was the 1 o'clock game where I was, and Frost was struggling.

Glad to see Brooks pulling it together. And no mishandling on field goals!

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:34 pm**

As the Thread starter, I want to say that all these comments may have put a fire under Brooks. I concur, he did well today against the evil empire, dallas.......

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Durant Brooks sucks........!!!