Best Qb

[Deadskins]

RayNAustin wrote:
Campbell rode the pine for a year and a half. Then he started 7 games in the 2006 season. Then he was declared the starter, and got all of the work in OTA's, training camp and pre-season. He started 13 games in 2007 and failed to throw a TD pass to a wide receiver in the first 8-9 games of the year (pathetic).

That the top 2 WR were injured much of that time means nothing, I suppose?

I just want to point out that I don't care haw m any receivers are injured, this is still bad. 1/2 the season, a WR didn't catch a TD pass. It is significant in illustrating what a horrible season the offense had last year.

Agreed, but with our injury problems last year, I don't think all the blame should be heaped at JC's feet.

[VetSkinsFan]

RayNAustin wrote:
Campbell rode the pine for a year and a half. Then he started 7 games in the 2006 season. Then he was declared the starter, and got all of the work in OTA's, training camp and pre-season. He started 13 games in 2007 and failed to throw a TD pass to a wide receiver in the first 8-9 games of the year (pathetic).

That the top 2 WR were injured much of that time means nothing, I suppose?

I just want to point out that I don't care haw m any receivers are injured, this is still bad. 1/2 the season, a WR didn't catch a TD pass. It is significant in illustrating what a horrible season the offense had last year.

Agreed, but with our injury problems last year, I don't think all the blame should be heaped at JC's feet.

That's why I specifically put offense. I don't hold last year specifically against JC, it's the static performance overall that worries me.

[John Manfreda]

You also forgot coulda, woulda, shoulda, he said some of those passes would have been picked off he were playing with the first string, well maybe if he was playing with the first string he wouldn't have taken that risk? Ever thought of that.

Jim Zorn disagrees with you. But what does he know about playing QB in
the NFL?

"We had a couple of fortunate catches, or I should say risky throws and very fortunate catches when you watch video again," Zorn said. "Colt Brennan had a couple of plays where they could have gone either way. … Those are things he can learn from.

"He has to become a more disciplined quarterback, not risk as much as he risks in the game. This week, it turned out great for us, a great performance. But it could easily have been the other way."

"He was very accurate in his throws," Zorn said. "I thought his decision-making was average. Even on the big play he threw to Jason Goode, that was not a great decision. But the decision he made on the corner route for a touchdown? The scramble play for a touchdown to Mason? Awesome. So it's just a mixed bag."

That's what you get with Brennan right now, and what you got from him in college (but in college, he could get away with making risky throws against the Nevadas of the world and in preseason against 3rd/4th stringers you can as well...whereas he won't be able to against first string players). Don't get me wrong, I like our project felon QB, but he's always been a risk-taker in college, and he'll be a risk-taker in the pros. He needs to sit and learn from Zorn how to play QB in the NFL. Throwing him out too early could absolutely ruin this kid, like it did to Patrick Ramsey.

Your right Zorn said that, but how do we know that he meant it? Coaches say a lot of things, they play to media all the time. Coaches praise players all the time and than bench them. They scold players all the time and than play them. Just because he said that, doesn't mean he thinks Colt won't be good or won't be a good starter one day. I don't think Brennan should start, but everyone is wrong about JC, last year was his fault, he takes too much time, no pocket presence, over throws receivers all the time, and every time he gets touched he fumbles it. When Collins came in we were a different team, okay I heard but it did show one thing, JC was the main problem. No I don't think Colt should start this year, next year maybe, but JC should be on a short lease, he has had enough time, 4 years is plenty for a Qb to devolop.

[VetSkinsFan]

You also forgot coulda, woulda, shoulda, he said some of those passes would have been picked off he were playing with the first string, well maybe if he was playing with the first string he wouldn't have taken that risk? Ever thought of that.

Jim Zorn disagrees with you. But what does he know about playing QB in
the NFL?

"We had a couple of fortunate catches, or I should say risky throws and very fortunate catches when you watch video again," Zorn said. "Colt Brennan had a couple of plays where they could have gone either way. … Those are things he can learn from.

"He has to become a more disciplined quarterback, not risk as much as he risks in the game. This week, it turned out great for us, a great performance. But it could easily have been the other way."

"He was very accurate in his throws," Zorn said. "I thought his decision-making was average. Even on the big play he threw to Jason Goode, that was not a great decision. But the decision he made on the corner route for a touchdown? The scramble play for a touchdown to Mason? Awesome. So it's just a mixed bag."

That's what you get with Brennan right now, and what you got from him in college (but in college, he could get away with making risky throws against the Nevadas of the world and in preseason against 3rd/4th stringers you can as well...whereas he won't be able to against first string players). Don't get me wrong, I like our project felon QB, but he's always been a risk-taker in college, and he'll be a risk-taker in the pros. He needs to sit and learn from Zorn how to play QB in the NFL. Throwing him out too early could absolutely ruin this kid, like it did to Patrick Ramsey.

Your right Zorn said that, but how do we know that he meant it? Coaches say a lot of things, they play to media all the time. They will down play there players so they won't get comfortbale. He might know a thing of two about the NFL but what he says to the media, how the hell do we know if he is really telling the truth. Gibbs always said that Ramsey was smart, tough, and had great potential. If he really thought that he would have played him. Its like he complements JC all the time, to be honest every time I see him he is yelling and hammering JC, he even starred him down in the Carolina game. You can't read into what they say all the time. Jim Zorn might have also said that because he doesn't want Colt thrown into the Wolves. He might want him to sit and learn this year, than in the future he will think of starting him. Just because he said something doesn't mean he thinks it, or even agrees with it. One more example, Jeff Bostic high school football coach said that he doesn't think he has one college player on the roster, and it turns out 13 of them went to the NFL. I know this because he said this while calling a preseason game a couple of years ago. You have to remember just because he said it doesn't mean he meant it. If Jim said that privately to somebody than u can argue it, but publicly he said it, and that doesn't mean anything.

So what you're saying is that Zorn is just throwing out BS; that he means potentially nothing that he says. All we have is what he says since we're not there at practice and the meetings. I believe that Zorn speaks hs mind. When he said the Oline was "soft," during the game, I believe he meant it. When he says he sees potential in JC, I think he means it. Where is the hair brained "doesn't mean what he says" idea based from???

[John Manfreda]

You also forgot coulda, woulda, shoulda, he said some of those passes would have been picked off he were playing with the first string, well maybe if he was playing with the first string he wouldn't have taken that risk? Ever thought of that.

Jim Zorn disagrees with you. But what does he know about playing QB in
the NFL?

"We had a couple of fortunate catches, or I should say risky throws and very fortunate catches when you watch video again," Zorn said. "Colt Brennan had a couple of plays where they could have gone either way. … Those are things he can learn from.

"He has to become a more disciplined quarterback, not risk as much as he risks in the game. This week, it turned out great for us, a great performance. But it could easily have been the other way."

"He was very accurate in his throws," Zorn said. "I thought his decision-making was average. Even on the big play he threw to Jason Goode, that was not a great decision. But the decision he made on the corner route for a touchdown? The scramble play for a touchdown to Mason? Awesome. So it's just a mixed bag."

That's what you get with Brennan right now, and what you got from him in college (but in college, he could get away with making risky throws against the Nevadas of the world and in preseason against 3rd/4th stringers you can as well...whereas he won't be able to against first string players). Don't get me wrong, I like our project felon QB, but he's always been a risk-taker in college, and he'll be a risk-taker in the pros. He needs to sit and learn from Zorn how to play QB in the NFL. Throwing him out too early could absolutely ruin this kid, like it did to Patrick Ramsey.

Your right Zorn said that, but how do we know that he meant it? Coaches say a lot of things, they play to media all the time. They will down play there players so they won't get comfortbale. He might know a thing of two about the NFL but what he says to the media, how the hell do we know if he is really telling the truth. Gibbs always said that Ramsey was smart, tough, and had great potential. If he really thought that he would have played him. Its like he complements JC all the time, to be honest every time I see him he is yelling and hammering JC, he even starred him down in the Carolina game. You can't read into what they say all the time. Jim Zorn might have also said that because he doesn't want Colt thrown into the Wolves. He might want him to sit and learn this year, than in the future he will think of starting him. Just because he said something doesn't mean he thinks it, or even agrees with it. One more example, Jeff Bostic high school football coach said that he doesn't think he has one college player on the roster, and it turns out 13 of them went to the NFL. I know this because he said this while calling a preseason game a couple of years ago. You have to remember just because he said it doesn't mean he meant it. If Jim said that privately to somebody than u can argue it, but publicly he said it, and that doesn't mean anything.

So what you're saying is that Zorn is just throwing out BS; that he means potentially nothing that he says. All we have is what he says since we're not there at practice and the meetings. I believe that Zorn speaks hs mind. When he said the Oline was "soft," during the game, I believe he meant it. When he says he sees potential in JC, I think he means it. Where is the hair brained "doesn't mean what he says" idea based from???

Its business thats why? If he praises Colt than everyone will be calling for Colt. Two if eveyone is calling for Colt when he isn't ready, Zorn is afraid to not play Colt when he isn't ready because Zorn might loose his job. Than Zorn will get scolded for playing him when he isn't ready, but if he doesn't play him when the fans demand it, than the fans will demand he gets fired, and the fans will say if Colt is so good than why don't you play him? Its simple business, he down plays Colt so he can devolop him. He isn't Gibbs, he doesn't have credibility. He wants Colt to learn than play. If he praises Colt all the time than everyone will say start playing him, especially if JC is screwing up and our season goes through the tank. Remember this is a business if he praises Colt than he will be forced to play him, especially when Colt is the no.1 selling jersey. He is not throwing BS he is being a business man.

[RayNAustin]

Not to split hairs, but Romo sat on the bench for four years before playing.

According to the experts here, only actual game experience is cited when discussing Jason Campbell.

How many systems did Romo have to learn in those 4 years

[VetSkinsFan]

You also forgot coulda, woulda, shoulda, he said some of those passes would have been picked off he were playing with the first string, well maybe if he was playing with the first string he wouldn't have taken that risk? Ever thought of that.

Jim Zorn disagrees with you. But what does he know about playing QB in
the NFL?

"We had a couple of fortunate catches, or I should say risky throws and very fortunate catches when you watch video again," Zorn said. "Colt Brennan had a couple of plays where they could have gone either way. … Those are things he can learn from.

"He has to become a more disciplined quarterback, not risk as much as he risks in the game. This week, it turned out great for us, a great performance. But it could easily have been the other way."

"He was very accurate in his throws," Zorn said. "I thought his decision-making was average. Even on the big play he threw to Jason Goode, that was not a great decision. But the decision he made on the corner route for a touchdown? The scramble play for a touchdown to Mason? Awesome. So it's just a mixed bag."

That's what you get with Brennan right now, and what you got from him in college (but in college, he could get away with making risky throws against the Nevadas of the world and in preseason against 3rd/4th stringers you can as well...whereas he won't be able to against first string players). Don't get me wrong, I like our project felon QB, but he's always been a risk-taker in college, and he'll be a risk-taker in the pros. He needs to sit and learn from Zorn how to play QB in the NFL. Throwing him out too early could absolutely ruin this kid, like it did to Patrick Ramsey.

Your right Zorn said that, but how do we know that he meant it? Coaches say a lot of things, they play to media all the time. They will down play there players so they won't get comfortbale. He might know a thing of two about the NFL but what he says to the media, how the hell do we know if he is really telling the truth. Gibbs always said that Ramsey was smart, tough, and had great potential. If he really thought that he would have played him. Its like he complements JC all the time, to be honest every time I see him he is yelling and hammering JC, he even starred him down in the Carolina game. You can't read into what they say all the time. Jim Zorn might have also said that because he doesn't want Colt thrown into the Wolves. He might want him to sit and learn this year, than in the future he will think of starting him. Just because he said something doesn't mean he thinks it, or even agrees with it. One more example, Jeff Bostic high school football coach said that he doesn't think he has one college player on the roster, and it turns out 13 of them went to the NFL. I know this because he said this while calling a preseason game a couple of years ago. You have to remember just because he said it doesn't mean he meant it. If Jim said that privately to somebody than u can argue it, but publicly he said it, and that doesn't mean anything.

So what you're saying is that Zorn is just throwing out BS; that he means potentially nothing that he says. All we have is what he says since we're not there at practice and the meetings. I believe that Zorn speaks hs mind. When he said the Oline was "soft," during the game, I believe he meant it. When he says he sees potential in JC, I think he means it. Where is the hair brained "doesn't mean what he says" idea based from???

Its business thats why? If he praises Colt than everyone will be calling for Colt. Two if eveyone is calling for Colt when he isn't ready, Zorn is afraid to not play Colt when he isn't ready because Zorn might loose his job. Than Zorn will get scolded for playing him when he isn't ready, but if he doesn't play him when the fans demand it, than the fans will demand he gets fired, and the fans will say if Colt is so good than why don't you play him? Its simple business, he down plays Colt so he can devolop him. He isn't Gibbs, he doesn't have credibility. He wants Colt to learn than play. If he praises Colt all the time than everyone will say start playing him, especially if JC is screwing up and our season goes through the tank. Remember this is a business if he praises Colt than he will be forced to play him, especially when Colt is the no.1 selling jersey. He is not throwing BS he is being a business man.

So..... by not saying what he means with Colt, keeping him "in his place," he keeps credibility. Yet, if he keeps blowing smoke, he can lose credibility b/c all of his pressers are nonsense.

Zorn doesn't answer to this "everyone" you refer to. Zorn answers to 1 man, and that's TheDanny. Everything else posted after "everyone" sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. He can praise the progress or skill of a young player without immediately having to put him in. NFL coaching is not quite as black and white as it's labeled above or any arm chair GM could do it.

[RayNAustin]

Not to split hairs, but Romo sat on the bench for four years before playing.

Please split hairs. This QB rating argument is nonsense.
Yes, there are some great names on this list.
There are also some that nobody would think of.

If you'd read all posts you'd avoid making so many assumptions.

QB rating is just one measure to be considered with many other factors like scoring and wins and losses.

Secondly, you can't compare players from a different era, because the game was played differently. Today's players are bigger, stronger, faster, and require different skill sets.

What worked for Billy Kilmer in 1972, probably would not work against the 2007 New England Patriots.

Sonny was a great QB, but the lineman of those days were the size of LB's today.

So put your leather helmut away, and join us in the 21st Century

[John Manfreda]

You also forgot coulda, woulda, shoulda, he said some of those passes would have been picked off he were playing with the first string, well maybe if he was playing with the first string he wouldn't have taken that risk? Ever thought of that.

Jim Zorn disagrees with you. But what does he know about playing QB in
the NFL?

"We had a couple of fortunate catches, or I should say risky throws and very fortunate catches when you watch video again," Zorn said. "Colt Brennan had a couple of plays where they could have gone either way. … Those are things he can learn from.

"He has to become a more disciplined quarterback, not risk as much as he risks in the game. This week, it turned out great for us, a great performance. But it could easily have been the other way."

"He was very accurate in his throws," Zorn said. "I thought his decision-making was average. Even on the big play he threw to Jason Goode, that was not a great decision. But the decision he made on the corner route for a touchdown? The scramble play for a touchdown to Mason? Awesome. So it's just a mixed bag."

That's what you get with Brennan right now, and what you got from him in college (but in college, he could get away with making risky throws against the Nevadas of the world and in preseason against 3rd/4th stringers you can as well...whereas he won't be able to against first string players). Don't get me wrong, I like our project felon QB, but he's always been a risk-taker in college, and he'll be a risk-taker in the pros. He needs to sit and learn from Zorn how to play QB in the NFL. Throwing him out too early could absolutely ruin this kid, like it did to Patrick Ramsey.

Your right Zorn said that, but how do we know that he meant it? Coaches say a lot of things, they play to media all the time. They will down play there players so they won't get comfortbale. He might know a thing of two about the NFL but what he says to the media, how the hell do we know if he is really telling the truth. Gibbs always said that Ramsey was smart, tough, and had great potential. If he really thought that he would have played him. Its like he complements JC all the time, to be honest every time I see him he is yelling and hammering JC, he even starred him down in the Carolina game. You can't read into what they say all the time. Jim Zorn might have also said that because he doesn't want Colt thrown into the Wolves. He might want him to sit and learn this year, than in the future he will think of starting him. Just because he said something doesn't mean he thinks it, or even agrees with it. One more example, Jeff Bostic high school football coach said that he doesn't think he has one college player on the roster, and it turns out 13 of them went to the NFL. I know this because he said this while calling a preseason game a couple of years ago. You have to remember just because he said it doesn't mean he meant it. If Jim said that privately to somebody than u can argue it, but publicly he said it, and that doesn't mean anything.

So what you're saying is that Zorn is just throwing out BS; that he means potentially nothing that he says. All we have is what he says since we're not there at practice and the meetings. I believe that Zorn speaks hs mind. When he said the Oline was "soft," during the game, I believe he meant it. When he says he sees potential in JC, I think he means it. Where is the hair brained "doesn't mean what he says" idea based from???

Its business thats why? If he praises Colt than everyone will be calling for Colt. Two if eveyone is calling for Colt when he isn't ready, Zorn is afraid to not play Colt when he isn't ready because Zorn might loose his job. Than Zorn will get scolded for playing him when he isn't ready, but if he doesn't play him when the fans demand it, than the fans will demand he gets fired, and the fans will say if Colt is so good than why don't you play him? Its simple business, he down plays Colt so he can devolop him. He isn't Gibbs, he doesn't have credibility. He wants Colt to learn than play. If he praises Colt all the time than everyone will say start playing him, especially if JC is screwing up and our season goes through the tank. Remember this is a business if he praises Colt than he will be forced to play him, especially when Colt is the no.1 selling jersey. He is not throwing BS he is being a business man.

So..... by not saying what he means with Colt, keeping him "in his place," he keeps credibility. Yet, if he keeps blowing smoke, he can lose credibility b/c all of his pressers are nonsense.

Zorn doesn't answer to this "everyone" you refer to. Zorn answers to 1 man, and that's TheDanny. Everything else posted after "everyone" sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. He can praise the progress or skill of a young player without immediately having to put him in. NFL coaching is not quite as black and white as it's labeled above or any arm chair GM could do it.

Yes and were does Dan make his money from? The fans, so he does have two bosses. Yes Zorn does not think he is ready, so he says that because he knows Colt is gaining popularity and if JC struggles people will demand for Colt. If Zorn doesn't play him, fans will be demanding to fire him, so what does Dan do so he can keep his clients, yes. Its Business Zorn is no idiot. Dan has clients to keep happy, and if there pissed off at their coach and stop buying stuff, than Dan will fire him to keep his clients. Its simple business, if your clients aren't happy with your workers than you fire your workers. He wants Brennan to learn this year, but he also sees he will be gaining popularity with his blog and performance, people will want to see him play maybe before he is ready, so in order to keep that from happening he will say stuff so people won't be asking for Brennan before he is ready, if we struggle. Business thats what this is.

[John Manfreda]

Not to split hairs, but Romo sat on the bench for four years before playing.

Please split hairs. This QB rating argument is nonsense.
Yes, there are some great names on this list.
There are also some that nobody would think of.

If you'd read all posts you'd avoid making so many assumptions.

QB rating is just one measure to be considered with many other factors like scoring and wins and losses.

Secondly, you can't compare players from a different era, because the game was played differently. Today's players are bigger, stronger, faster, and require different skill sets.

What worked for Billy Kilmer in 1972, probably would not work against the 2007 New England Patriots.

Sonny was a great QB, but the lineman of those days were the size of LB's today.

So put your leather helmut away, and join us in the 21st Century

You also forgot about rules, they have different rules. Length of season.

[VetSkinsFan]

You also forgot coulda, woulda, shoulda, he said some of those passes would have been picked off he were playing with the first string, well maybe if he was playing with the first string he wouldn't have taken that risk? Ever thought of that.

Jim Zorn disagrees with you. But what does he know about playing QB in
the NFL?

"We had a couple of fortunate catches, or I should say risky throws and very fortunate catches when you watch video again," Zorn said. "Colt Brennan had a couple of plays where they could have gone either way. … Those are things he can learn from.

"He has to become a more disciplined quarterback, not risk as much as he risks in the game. This week, it turned out great for us, a great performance. But it could easily have been the other way."

"He was very accurate in his throws," Zorn said. "I thought his decision-making was average. Even on the big play he threw to Jason Goode, that was not a great decision. But the decision he made on the corner route for a touchdown? The scramble play for a touchdown to Mason? Awesome. So it's just a mixed bag."

That's what you get with Brennan right now, and what you got from him in college (but in college, he could get away with making risky throws against the Nevadas of the world and in preseason against 3rd/4th stringers you can as well...whereas he won't be able to against first string players). Don't get me wrong, I like our project felon QB, but he's always been a risk-taker in college, and he'll be a risk-taker in the pros. He needs to sit and learn from Zorn how to play QB in the NFL. Throwing him out too early could absolutely ruin this kid, like it did to Patrick Ramsey.

Your right Zorn said that, but how do we know that he meant it? Coaches say a lot of things, they play to media all the time. They will down play there players so they won't get comfortbale. He might know a thing of two about the NFL but what he says to the media, how the hell do we know if he is really telling the truth. Gibbs always said that Ramsey was smart, tough, and had great potential. If he really thought that he would have played him. Its like he complements JC all the time, to be honest every time I see him he is yelling and hammering JC, he even starred him down in the Carolina game. You can't read into what they say all the time. Jim Zorn might have also said that because he doesn't want Colt thrown into the Wolves. He might want him to sit and learn this year, than in the future he will think of starting him. Just because he said something doesn't mean he thinks it, or even agrees with it. One more example, Jeff Bostic high school football coach said that he doesn't think he has one college player on the roster, and it turns out 13 of them went to the NFL. I know this because he said this while calling a preseason game a couple of years ago. You have to remember just because he said it doesn't mean he meant it. If Jim said that privately to somebody than u can argue it, but publicly he said it, and that doesn't mean anything.

So what you're saying is that Zorn is just throwing out BS; that he means potentially nothing that he says. All we have is what he says since we're not there at practice and the meetings. I believe that Zorn speaks hs mind. When he said the Oline was "soft," during the game, I believe he meant it. When he says he sees potential in JC, I think he means it. Where is the hair brained "doesn't mean what he says" idea based from???

Its business thats why? If he praises Colt than everyone will be calling for Colt. Two if eveyone is calling for Colt when he isn't ready, Zorn is afraid to not play Colt when he isn't ready because Zorn might loose his job. Than Zorn will get scolded for playing him when he isn't ready, but if he doesn't play him when the fans demand it, than the fans will demand he gets fired, and the fans will say if Colt is so good than why don't you play him? Its simple business, he down plays Colt so he can devolop him. He isn't Gibbs, he doesn't have credibility. He wants Colt to learn than play. If he praises Colt all the time than everyone will say start playing him, especially if JC is screwing up and our season goes through the tank. Remember this is a business if he praises Colt than he will be forced to play him, especially when Colt is the no.1 selling jersey. He is not throwing BS he is being a business man.

So..... by not saying what he means with Colt, keeping him "in his place," he keeps credibility. Yet, if he keeps blowing smoke, he can lose credibility b/c all of his pressers are nonsense.

Zorn doesn't answer to this "everyone" you refer to. Zorn answers to 1 man, and that's TheDanny. Everything else posted after "everyone" sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. He can praise the progress or skill of a young player without immediately having to put him in. NFL coaching is not quite as black and white as it's labeled above or any arm chair GM could do it.

Yes and were does Dan make his money from? The fans, so he does have two bosses. Yes Zorn does not think he is ready, so he says that because he knows Colt is gaining popularity and if JC struggles people will demand for Colt. If Zorn doesn't play him, fans will be demanding to fire him, so what does Dan do so he can keep his clients, yes. Its Business Zorn is no idiot. Dan has clients to keep happy, and if there pissed off at their coach and stop buying stuff, than Dan will fire him to keep his clients. Its simple business, if your clients aren't happy with your workers than you fire your workers. He wants Brennan to learn this year, but he also sees he will be gaining popularity with his blog and performance, people will want to see him play maybe before he is ready, so in order to keep that from happening he will say stuff so people won't be asking for Brennan before he is ready, if we struggle. Business thats what this is.

This is football, not Microsoft. The coach's job is to field the best players available to himan utilize their talents to the best of their ability. If he does that, then TheDanny or "everyone" will stay off his back. THAT'S Zorn's job. It doesn't matter what you, me, Hog, GSPODS, or anyone thinks. Fortunately for TheDanny, there is a huge diehard fanbase that will take a lot more than this little QB controversey to discourage. Arm chair GMs like the the fans on EVERY fan forum don't matter in the decisionmaking process of the NFL.

[PulpExposure]

Yes and were does Dan make his money from? The fans, so he does have two bosses. Yes Zorn does not think he is ready, so he says that because he knows Colt is gaining popularity and if JC struggles people will demand for Colt. If Zorn doesn't play him, fans will be demanding to fire him, so what does Dan do so he can keep his clients, yes. Its Business Zorn is no idiot. Dan has clients to keep happy, and if there pissed off at their coach and stop buying stuff, than Dan will fire him to keep his clients. Its simple business, if your clients aren't happy with your workers than you fire your workers. He wants Brennan to learn this year, but he also sees he will be gaining popularity with his blog and performance, people will want to see him play maybe before he is ready, so in order to keep that from happening he will say stuff so people won't be asking for Brennan before he is ready, if we struggle. Business thats what this is.

That makes no sense whatsoever. I'll respond to your ramblings with something short and to the point:

The NFL is, at it's heart, a ruthless business; you go with the guy who gives you the best chance at winning. If Jim Zorn felt that Colt Brennan gives the Redskins the best chance to win, Colt Brennan would be playing. More wins means more job security for Zorn, and more business for Snyder.

Also:

If Zorn doesn't play him, fans will be demanding to fire him, so what does Dan do so he can keep his clients, yes. Its Business Zorn is no idiot.

Seriously, was this written in English? That's about as incoherent as I've read on this board, and that says quite a bit.

[GSPODS]

Yes and were does Dan make his money from? The fans, so he does have two bosses. Yes Zorn does not think he is ready, so he says that because he knows Colt is gaining popularity and if JC struggles people will demand for Colt. If Zorn doesn't play him, fans will be demanding to fire him, so what does Dan do so he can keep his clients, yes. Its Business Zorn is no idiot. Dan has clients to keep happy, and if there pissed off at their coach and stop buying stuff, than Dan will fire him to keep his clients. Its simple business, if your clients aren't happy with your workers than you fire your workers. He wants Brennan to learn this year, but he also sees he will be gaining popularity with his blog and performance, people will want to see him play maybe before he is ready, so in order to keep that from happening he will say stuff so people won't be asking for Brennan before he is ready, if we struggle. Business thats what this is.

That makes no sense whatsoever. I'll respond to your ramblings with something short and to the point:

The NFL is, at it's heart, a ruthless business; you go with the guy who gives you the best chance at winning. If Jim Zorn felt that Colt Brennan gives the Redskins the best chance to win, Colt Brennan would be playing. More wins means more job security for Zorn, and more business for Snyder.

Also:

If Zorn doesn't play him, fans will be demanding to fire him, so what does Dan do so he can keep his clients, yes. Its Business Zorn is no idiot.

Seriously, was this written in English? That's about as incoherent as I've read on this board, and that says quite a bit.

Apparently, the Redskins acquired a player named "Him."
If Zorn doesn't play "Him" then fans will be demanding to fire "Him."
So what?
Does Dan "do" so he can keep his clients?
Yes.
It's business, Zorn.
I's no idiot.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[skinsfan1963]

campbell is the betteqb now because unlike C.B.,he has played against regular nfl vets and not overblown pro wannabees.when he can stand in and play 4 quarters against a team wih vet nfl players and not rookies,then we'll talk.
i wouldet that next year going into the 2009 season,he is campbell's backup and not T.C.

[roybus14]

Not to split hairs, but Romo sat on the bench for four years before playing.

According to the experts here, only actual game experience is cited when discussing Jason Campbell.

How many systems did Romo have to learn in those 4 years

That's a good point Ray about systems. I just got done listening to 980 and the talk about JC. Riggo made a statement about him being too "deliberate" and that he doesn't seem to have the ability to improvise which is what alot of the good QB's in this league can do.

My response to that and to all of this other JC talk regarding whether he should be the QB or not, or he's this or he's that... IMO, I think that JC is under alot of pressure right now on several fronts.

Front 1 - Another system. The radio heads and alot folks in this town question JC's smarts and ability when no other QB in this league has gone through what he has in the past 7-8 years. Manning, Favre, Hasselbeck, Brady, McNabb, Rivers, Eli, and even Cowpunk Romo all have had the benefit of playing in the same system consistently and without someone trying to change their mechanics first with Sanders and now Zorn.

Front 2 - Pressure. I don't think that JC feels 100% confident that he won't be yanked by Zorn at some point. Then couple that with a blocking dummy O-Line giving little to no time to throw. This team has been on the cusp with it's talent for the past 4 years so every year with the same core players, the expectation level is taken up a notch. Even with a no-experience HC, there is still a level of expectation on this team and IMO I think that is effecting JC because he's playing like he's not trying to make mistakes.

Front 3 - Ability. What does JC have in ability and what does he do best? Why would you not tweak your offense some to take advantage of his size, mobility and strong arm? I have yet to see him roll out this preseason.

Front 4 - Is it really him? Zorn has referenced JC double-pumping or holding the ball too long. Is it because he is really unsure or is it that each of his reads are covered? As a fan watching on T.V. I don't have the luxury of seeing where the receivers are and when they are open. Is some of his hesitancy because the options he has are not open? If he is completely missing them, then that's on him but it's kind of hard to make the next quick read if you got somebody coming right at you because the line is "porous".

Front 5 - Status and Freedom. Is what we are seeing from JC that is not good, because he is unsure of his status as the starting QB for this team? How much freedom does he have to improvise when plays break down or is he being coached to not use his instincts and talent? The proven QBs of this league, the Brady's, Manning's, Favre's, even Romo, have been given freedom to improvise or take chances and they definitely didn't have to chance their mechanics like JC has been asked to do by two different OC's in two straight years.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Front 1 - Another system. The radio heads and alot folks in this town question JC's smarts and ability when no other QB in this league has gone through what he has in the past 7-8 years. Manning, Favre, Hasselbeck, Brady, McNabb, Rivers, Eli, and even Cowpunk Romo all have had the benefit of playing in the same system consistently and without someone trying to change their mechanics first with Sanders and now Zorn.

JC doesn't get enough credit if you ask me.

If he wasn't a good QB he's crumble under all these constant changes. The fact that he's average in the midst of this crap says a lot about him.

It makes you wonder just how good he'd be if we'd give him a chance to succeed. Just giving him the job doesn't put him in position to succeed.

[KazooSkinsFan]

It makes you wonder just how good he'd be if we'd give him a chance to succeed. Just giving him the job doesn't put him in position to succeed.

Agreed. It's time to find out. That anyone would advocate we not do so particularly for a career backup or a low round pick in his first season is staggering. As is the length of a thread debating that.

[Chris Luva Luva]

It makes you wonder just how good he'd be if we'd give him a chance to succeed. Just giving him the job doesn't put him in position to succeed.

Agreed. It's time to find out. That anyone would advocate we not do so particularly for a career backup or a low round pick in his first season is staggering. As is the length of a thread debating that.

They're just making the problem worse. This is a learning year for the entire team.

It takes at least 2 years before an offense is fluid. Sorry guys, but that win now crap isn't legit. I saw someone post earlier that they're just realizing a superbowl isn't in our grasps. LOLOL Please, we're at least 3 years from a superbowl and thats if we're the same team (more or less by then).

In 2 years we'll have a gauge on JC. I think by midseason 2010 or training camp 2011, if JC isn't doing good it'll be time to start Brennan.

Imagine how good Colt will look with 2 years of tutelage under his belt?

But people don't want that. They want to lose right now.

[GSPODS]

But people don't want that. They want to lose right now.

If that's what the people want, then the people might get their wish.

[Deadskins]

I have yet to see him roll out this preseason.

He did it at least once last night. He rolled to his right and under-threw a ball to Thrash in the flat.

[VetSkinsFan]

"they" "people" "everyone" "him"

There are a lot of generalities and assumptions going on. I can only say what I think, and I think that if there's no progression this year, then by all rights, there should be an open camp next year. If JC is the chosen one and a victim of circumstances, then he should have no problem keeping his job next year, and only get better. I'm a large supporter of "may the best man win." If he's the best man, then there's no issue, is there?

[GSPODS]

“It’s nothing to start getting discouraged about because everything we’re doing is very correctable,” Jason Campbell said.

Said coach Jim Zorn of pulling his starters, “I would love to have had them play the whole game, and just grind it out and work and get into some rhythm, things like that. But that would not have been smart.”

[El Mexican]

“It’s nothing to start getting discouraged about because everything we’re doing is very correctable,” Jason Campbell said.

Said coach Jim Zorn of pulling his starters, “I would love to have had them play the whole game, and just grind it out and work and get into some rhythm, things like that. But that would not have been smart.”

And what where we expecting to hear?

Campbell: I played terrible and will go into the first regular season game with a ton of pressure on my shoulders (?).

Zorn: I messed up. The Offense should have rested. There was minimal improvement in relation to the Carolina game (?).

These guys did not get to be where they are by being stupid. They know the media will destroy them and every word they say is analyzed.

Having said that, the best QB we´ve got is Campbell and I´m sticking with him for this season.

Really, are there any other options right now that make sense?

[RayNAustin]

Nonsense. Campbell has more experience, but Brennan is a better QB. And a case could be made for Collins being better too. He was last year undeniably (even though many still do deny it) And his stats for the pre-season are better than Campbell's.

Campbell edged out Devine....that was his pre-season accomplishment.

[BossHog]

Nonsense. Campbell has more experience, but Brennan is a better QB. And a case could be made for Collins being better too. He was last year undeniably (even though many still do deny it) And his stats for the pre-season are better than Campbell's.

Based on a couple of pre-season games against scrubs and his college career?

Thank god the coaching staff are paid to make more sound decisions than anointing a guy, who has never played a meaningful down of NFL football, as the chosen one.

I like Colt Brennan a lot...

... on the bench, holding a clipboard, and learning the intricacies of playing quarterback in the NFL.