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Secondary_Chaos wrote:](*,) I swear, the people on this site are so negative! What else would you wise all knowing people have done? We didn't spend our draft picks on our d-line, but what we got instead is just fine with me. I for one am excited to see Taylor come to Washington. He had more sacks last year (11) than Daniels (2.5) and one of our biggest problems on Defense was not being able to get to the quarterback and disrupt the flow of the other teams offense. So wouldn't this be good considering we now have Andre Carter and Jason Taylor anchoring our line? Not to mention, Daniels is a year older than Taylor. "Our FO never learns". I think most of the people here never learn. Its the same narrow-minded "Snyder and Cerrato just want the big name player and have no clue what they're doing" mentality as has been since Snyder took over. I for one was not a fan of Snyder when he first bought the team, but in recent history it looks as though he and Vinny have both taken more of an intelligent approach with the Skins. This should help our entire defense. Im tired of hearing people whine and take shots at our FO. If you are so in touch with how things should be and what the Skins should do, why aren't you all working for the Skins? I put my faith in the decisions they've made the past couple seasons. JT gives us that QB pressure we have been salivating over for the past few seasons. I can't wait to see him and Carter in action! GOOD JOB SNYDER AND CERRATO!!!

For the Redskins, the price -- second- and sixth-round draft picks -- was worth it. Defensive end was their thinnest position. The first-day practice losses of Phillip Daniels and Alex Buzbee on Sunday left them with only nine healthy defensive linemen.

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Snyder and general manager Vinny Cerrato had prepared for a rainy day, but they were being careful this offseason. They had more than $9 million in cap room to be able to make a quick trade.

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For a rebuilding team, the Dolphins are better served by having more draft picks. For a playoff contender, Taylor could be worth an extra win or two in the tough NFC East.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Secondary_Chaos wrote:](*,) I swear, the people on this site are so negative! What else would you wise all knowing people have done? We didn't spend our draft picks on our d-line, but what we got instead is just fine with me. I for one am excited to see Taylor come to Washington. He had more sacks last year (11) than Daniels (2.5) and one of our biggest problems on Defense was not being able to get to the quarterback and disrupt the flow of the other teams offense. So wouldn't this be good considering we now have Andre Carter and Jason Taylor anchoring our line? Not to mention, Daniels is a year older than Taylor. "Our FO never learns". I think most of the people here never learn. Its the same narrow-minded "Snyder and Cerrato just want the big name player and have no clue what they're doing" mentality as has been since Snyder took over. I for one was not a fan of Snyder when he first bought the team, but in recent history it looks as though he and Vinny have both taken more of an intelligent approach with the Skins. This should help our entire defense. Im tired of hearing people whine and take shots at our FO. If you are so in touch with how things should be and what the Skins should do, why aren't you all working for the Skins? I put my faith in the decisions they've made the past couple seasons. JT gives us that QB pressure we have been salivating over for the past few seasons. I can't wait to see him and Carter in action! GOOD JOB SNYDER AND CERRATO!!!

Great post, Chaos, I totally agree. Other than a few whining fans here, I've yet to hear anyone, especially in the media, say anything negative about this trade. In fact, most have said it was a win-win for both sides.

John Clayton said...

For the Redskins, the price -- second- and sixth-round draft picks -- was worth it. Defensive end was their thinnest position. The first-day practice losses of Phillip Daniels and Alex Buzbee on Sunday left them with only nine healthy defensive linemen.

<snip>

Snyder and general manager Vinny Cerrato had prepared for a rainy day, but they were being careful this offseason. They had more than $9 million in cap room to be able to make a quick trade.

<snip>

For a rebuilding team, the Dolphins are better served by having more draft picks. For a playoff contender, Taylor could be worth an extra win or two in the tough NFC East.

Some want to bash the Skins FO for one trade this offseason, a trade that was forced out of necessity and due to a dire situation. Well, I, for one, think the FO deserves quite of bit of credit. Why? For not chasing mediocre talent earlier this spring and spending the remaining cap money they had available. They saved that money under the cap and now got a premiere player... when we needed him. If they had spent that money on other average free agents earlier this spring, we wouldn't have been able to get Taylor. Well done, FO.

Taylor, who was not available for comment and is expected to take a physical today in Washington, has talked about playing just one more season before pursuing acting options, but Cerrato said he is "100 percent confident he'll play more than one year."

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Secondary_Chaos wrote:](*,) I swear, the people on this site are so negative! What else would you wise all knowing people have done? We didn't spend our draft picks on our d-line, but what we got instead is just fine with me. I for one am excited to see Taylor come to Washington. He had more sacks last year (11) than Daniels (2.5) and one of our biggest problems on Defense was not being able to get to the quarterback and disrupt the flow of the other teams offense. So wouldn't this be good considering we now have Andre Carter and Jason Taylor anchoring our line? Not to mention, Daniels is a year older than Taylor. "Our FO never learns". I think most of the people here never learn. Its the same narrow-minded "Snyder and Cerrato just want the big name player and have no clue what they're doing" mentality as has been since Snyder took over. I for one was not a fan of Snyder when he first bought the team, but in recent history it looks as though he and Vinny have both taken more of an intelligent approach with the Skins. This should help our entire defense. Im tired of hearing people whine and take shots at our FO. If you are so in touch with how things should be and what the Skins should do, why aren't you all working for the Skins? I put my faith in the decisions they've made the past couple seasons. JT gives us that QB pressure we have been salivating over for the past few seasons. I can't wait to see him and Carter in action! GOOD JOB SNYDER AND

CERRATO!!!

I think the general consensus isn't that they want big names, I think it's that we should have addressed youth in the draft. Now we're trading a 1st day pick for a guy who MIGHT have 4-5 year shelf life, at best. That's what I see. I think Taylor will work out on the line, it's just tough to give up that pick.

riggofan wrote:I love this quote from Cerrato:

Taylor, who was not available for comment and is expected to take a physical today in Washington, has talked about playing just one more season before pursuing acting options, but Cerrato said he is "100 percent confident he'll play more than one year."

Give me a break, Vinny.

Anyway, I agree with you guys who say we didn't really have much choice. The worst thing that could happen IMO would be to see the team do really well this season, but be totally jacked because we our line can't pressure the QB.

SkinsFreak wrote:

riggofan wrote:I love this quote from Cerrato:

Taylor, who was not available for comment and is expected to take a physical today in Washington, has talked about playing just one more season before pursuing acting options, but Cerrato said he is "100 percent confident he'll play more than one year."

Give me a break, Vinny.

Anyway, I agree with you guys who say we didn't really have much choice. The worst thing that could happen IMO would be to see the team do really well this season, but be totally jacked because we our line can't pressure the QB.

Cerrato is close friends with Taylor's agent, Gary Wichard. They obviously spoke and Cerrato got confirmation Taylor would play more than one year.

Believe it or not, JLC was just on ESPN's First Take and praised the Skins front office for this trade and getting the deal done.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Secondary_Chaos wrote:](*,) I swear, the people on this site are so negative! What else would you wise all knowing people have done? We didn't spend our draft picks on our d-line, but what we got instead is just fine with me. I for one am excited to see Taylor come to Washington. He had more sacks last year (11) than Daniels (2.5) and one of our biggest problems on Defense was not being able to get to the quarterback and disrupt the flow of the other teams offense. So wouldn't this be good considering we now have Andre Carter and Jason Taylor anchoring our line? Not to mention, Daniels is a year older than Taylor. "Our FO never learns". I think most of the people here never learn. Its the same narrow-minded "Snyder and Cerrato just want the big name player and have no clue what they're doing" mentality as has been since Snyder took over. I for one was not a fan of Snyder when he first bought the team, but in recent history it looks as though he and Vinny have both taken more of an intelligent approach with the Skins. This should help our entire defense. Im tired of hearing people whine and take shots at our FO. If you are so in touch with how things should be and what the Skins should do, why aren't you all working for the Skins? I put my faith in the decisions they've made the past couple seasons. JT gives us that QB pressure we have been salivating over for the past few seasons. I can't wait to see him and Carter in action! GOOD JOB SNYDER AND CERRATO!!!

Great post, Chaos, I totally agree. Other than a few whining fans here, I've yet to hear anyone, especially in the media, say anything negative about this trade. In fact, most have said it was a win-win for both sides.

John Clayton said...

For the Redskins, the price -- second- and sixth-round draft picks -- was worth it. Defensive end was their thinnest position. The first-day practice losses of Phillip Daniels and Alex Buzbee on Sunday left them with only nine healthy defensive linemen.

<snip>

Snyder and general manager Vinny Cerrato had prepared for a rainy day, but they were being careful this offseason. They had more than $9 million in cap room to be able to make a quick trade.

<snip>

For a rebuilding team, the Dolphins are better served by having more draft picks. For a playoff contender, Taylor could be worth an extra win or two in the tough NFC East.

Some want to bash the Skins FO for one trade this offseason, a trade that was forced out of necessity and due to a dire situation. Well, I, for one, think the FO deserves quite of bit of credit. Why? For not chasing mediocre talent earlier this spring and spending the remaining cap money they had available. They saved that money under the cap and now got a premiere player... when we needed him. If they had spent that money on other average free agents earlier this spring, we wouldn't have been able to get Taylor. Well done, FO.

Time will tell if this was a prudent move...

GSPODS wrote:JLC still can't find his donkey with two hands and a flashlight. One has to be pretty awful at their job to get scooped by ESPN.

VetSkinsFan wrote:
Time will tell if this was a prudent move...

DEHog wrote:I think we could have gotten this deal done "cheaper" during the draft. Maybe a 3rd or 4th and a 4th or 5th the next year.
I believe the person most happy about the deal has to be Andre Carter..I can see him having a big year opposite JT!

Mursilis wrote:I'll join the "good move" camp. Sure, it'd be nice if we paid less or if JT were younger, but he's a huge upgrade, and for at least two more years, he addresses a huge need.

fleetus wrote:Overall, I guess it's a fair gamble. Here are the Pros/Cons as I see them:

PROS
1. JT even at 34 is a huge upgrade as a pass rusher
2. As a 3-4 OLB, he is adept at dropping into coverage, something the Skins have not done much on defense.
3. Taylor is a solid citizen and decent team leader, so we've added a good teammate
4. Taylor has played on both the left and right sides before and lined up both as a down lineman and a LB, so Blache now has new options.
5. JT is a much better dancer now Seriuosly though, he is in exceptional shape, making his age less of a concern



CONS
1. JT has two years at 8-9 mil/year, more than triple what Daniels makes. So not only will occupy a huge chunk of cap space while he's here, we really have no guarantee if he'll play one year or two with a third pretty unlikely
2. We gave up draft picks after finally having a nice draft by keeping all our draft picks for the first time in the Snyder era.
3. Taylor has spent the past few seasons at OLB in a 3-4. Sure he would put his hand on the ground occasionally to confuse offenses. Taylor plays at about 245# and is not known for his run stopping so how he is expected to hold up the strong side of the offense on running plays is a huge question.

Bottom Line
1. We will need to rotate someone more adept at stopping the run in the LDE spot on some first downs and some running situations
2. Blache very well may line up Taylor as a OLB on the weak side, next to Carter in some situations to create confusion and provide a double blind side pass rush. How does this sound, move Grif to LDE, bring in Golston next to Montgomery, then have Carter and Taylor on the right side, with Fletcher and Washington at MLB and OLB. You can rush OR drop into coverage any combination of Taylor, Carter and Washington without giving up anything against the run.
3. This move will be worth the draft picks given ONLY if we make the playoffs with Taylor contributing. Until then, we won't know if 8+ mil per year + losing two draft picks was a savvy move or another knee jerk over-reaction by Snyder/Cerrato. It does appear to be at least a decent calculated gamble.

RedskinsFreak wrote:I think I like the deal. The one thing that flies in the face of the "Oh, they just went for another splashy signing" argument is that this is the most need-driven move of them all.

The Redskins also were the beneficiaries of a unique congruence of circumstances where someone of the caliber of Taylor was even available.

It beats the heck out of bringing in unsigned FAs from off the street, considering each team has 80 players under contract.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Mursilis wrote:I'll join the "good move" camp. Sure, it'd be nice if we paid less or if JT were younger, but he's a huge upgrade, and for at least two more years, he addresses a huge need.

Yes, I think we will be glad we made this deal.

hailskins666 wrote:one more thought.

anyone remember ramsey's last game under spurrier? guess who they were playing? guess who almost killed him that night, despite having to match up with samuels.

taylor whipped samuels like a red headed step child and literally almost decapitated patrick. on more than one play. and that was against one of the better left tackles in the game. now he'll be facing less talent on the other side of the line going up against right tackles.

i see nothing but upside.